Mike Carney to replace Trudeau as Canada’s new PM
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How about....leadership change? Pierre's position hasn't changed. So are you saying the "new" Liberals under Carney will pursue the exactv same policy as under Trudeau?
Go ahead, campaign on that. Please.
I know the truth makes you uncomfortable, but you have spent ages telling people that "you shouldn't vote for this person" is fundamentally bad and that only "they have to earn my vote" counts.
I have pointed out repeatedly that this is bullshit and that you clearly don't apply that logic to yourself, and here you are as usual.
Of course they won't.
Both parties will come out with new 2025 policy documents.
But you're only using one as an attack line, even though they obviously wouldn't have a new party platform less than a week after he won.
If you didn't have double standards, I'm not sure you would have any standards at all.
Simple, because he hasn't given you a reason to not believe him. He just became PM, isn't even sworn in yet, hasn't started campaigning, yet you are ready to write him off. Why, because just like you supported Trumputin over Biden you will support Pee Pee over Carney because you are a closet right winger. I just don't know why you won't come out and just admit it. Just say, "I am a center right," it will make you feel better even though I would say at least a yard from the center but I won't argue if you admit center right.
I can look at his record in Private Equity. And ask why the Brits call him Mark Carnage.
Again. Why would think a dude who has spent his life working for private equity and as an elitist not be right wing?
So your argument is basically that because income tax rates were much higher in post WWII expansion that somehow in 2025 we need to go back to that. That's not only naive, its ignorant. The world is a much different place in 2025. Money is mobile. Capital flows to jurisdictions with the highest after tax rate of returns. Tax rates matter.
During the 1950's the highest marginal federal income tax rate in the US was 91%. In 2025 its 37%. Yet the average tax rate paid by the top 1% of earners in the 1950's (about 42%) was not that much higher than today (roughly 35% when state, local and social security and medicare taxes are factored in). Also the top 1% of earners in the 1950's paid about 33% of the total taxes collected. In 2025 that's 42%.
These are US figures.
He will govern from the center left, which is the safest way to go. Unlike you, he is a Liberal at heart, but to win this election he has to move to the center to steal the folks that moved to Pee Pee due to being sick of Justin, but you know that. You just as you did with Biden want to shit on anything on the left.
Now, read and learn. I have boldened the important parts just in case you were to gloss over them.
Who is Mark Carney? Here's some background on Canada's next prime minister
Even when Mark Carney was still in high school, his friends bugged him about whether he would become prime minister one day.
montreal.citynews.ca
OTTAWA — Even when Mark Carney was still in high school, his friends bugged him about whether he would become prime minister one day.
His answer was one fit for a future politician: to never confirm nor deny.
Carney, a devout Roman Catholic who hails from Fort Smith, N.W.T. and turns 60 next week, cleared his first major political test on Sunday, winning the Liberal leadership by wowing party faithful.
The globe-trotting, two-time central banker who navigated the Canada and UK economies during times of crisis comes otherwise untested at the ballot box and will become Canada’s next prime minister over the coming days.
The only practical experience he has in the political arena — aside from many years of allowing speculation to build up that he might launch a bid to lead the party — he gleaned during the past two months of an unusually short leadership race called to replace outgoing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Carney’s campaign would not make him available for an interview with The Canadian Press at any point during the race, despite multiple requests.
His friends say it’s his other qualities, not his political acumen — his core liberal values, his sterling resume, strategic mind and witty banter — that make him catnip to Liberals.
Carney’s days as bank governor earned him a reputation in Ottawa as a gruff but cerebral policy wonk.
Former Liberal environment minister Catherine McKenna vouches that he’s personable and witty behind the scenes.
“While you often see him and he looks quite serious, he’s quite a funny guy,” she said.
“It’s always hard because you see politicians in a very particular context. Sometimes that’s standing behind a podium and those are artificial situations. He’s a real person, he’s smart and he cares greatly about Canada.”
One such moment, where he broke through the stodgy official Ottawa atmosphere 12 years ago, came as speculation swirled that he might run for Liberal leadership.
The then-Bank of Canada governor shrugged off the suggestion he might run to become an MP.
“Why don’t I become a circus clown?” he joked.
McKenna and Carney have kids around the same age and have been friends for more than a decade. At one point, their friend group decided they needed to become more adventurous, so they challenged each other to come up with ideas and went whitewater kayaking in the Ottawa River and spent time learning how to curl.
“So, you have the bank governor curling and everyone’s just hanging out … curling or drinking beers and watching, having fun,” she said.
McKenna, who has seen him speak on the world stage about climate change and economic opportunity, has endorsed his candidacy even though Carney has pledged to reverse part of a capstone government policy she championed during her tenure in office: the consumer carbon price.
McKenna said that was “a tough pill” to swallow, but blames the opposition to the policy on Conservative politicians who whipped up anger over the policy and endorses Carney’s environmental plan as one that’s “well thought out.”
Carney has played up his past as a hockey goalie — once playing as a backup for Harvard — and his love of the Edmonton Oilers during the campaign, as he crafted his public image.
He once told CBC host George Stroumboulopoulos that he was just OK at the sport.
“I opened the gate for a lot of good hockey players,” he said in a 2011 interview.
“That speaks to Mark. He’s just a very humble guy,” said John Hecker, a longtime friend of Carney’s who went to Saint Francis Xavier high school with him in Edmonton, where they played soccer and basketball.
“Physical activity has been a big part of his life and I remember it’s gotten him — not in trouble, but his security detail in London wasn’t happy with him when he wanted to jog into work each morning rather than get picked up and dropped off.”
Carney was raised Catholic in Edmonton, Alta., where his father Bob Carney, a school teacher, ran unsuccessfully as a Liberal candidate in Edmonton–South in 1980 against the Progressive Conservative incumbent Doug Roche.
Roche, now 96, appeared at Mark Carney’s campaign launch on Jan. 16 to get a sense of what he’s like working a crowd.
“He complimented me when I said that the best man didn’t win — meaning his father — and he said, ‘Oh yeah, the best man did win’, meaning me. It was a pleasant little thing, you know,” Roche said.
The former MP and senator has attended church with Carney in the past and thinks he has what it takes for federal political arena after watching the recent leadership debates — even though he described him as an “anti-politician” and a stark contrast to Trudeau’s persona.
“He’s not a showman. He has a certain technocratic manner to him. It may be that at this particular moment our country’s going through, partly in reaction to Trump and Trumpism, that this may be what people are looking for. He doesn’t come off as aggrandizing,” he said.
“He thinks in terms of social justice and speaks in terms of the boardroom.”
His decade-plus career in the financial sector took him all over the world, from New York to Tokyo, reportedly earning him millions at the investment bank Goldman Sachs at one point, although he has not disclosed his personal finances as his predecessor did during his party leadership run.
Carney spent a large chunk of his career as a public servant — eventually becoming the UK’s first non-British central bank governor.
It’s controversial for central bank governors to take roles in partisan politics, since the independent institutions must be seen to be above the political fray in their decision making or risk its credibility being undermined.
Now, his previously rosy record captaining Canada’s central bank through the economic crisis of 2008 is coming under increasing scrutiny, especially after former prime minister Stephen Harper cast doubt on it in a recent letter that appeared in Conservative fundraising emails.
Carney portrayed himself during the leadership race as a political outsider, although he does have many ties to ranking figures from Trudeau’s inner circle and prominent politicians across the country.
He co-captained the Oxford Blues hockey team with former justice minister David Lametti and is the godfather to the son of his main opponent in the leadership race, Chrystia Freeland.
He’s married to Diana Fox Carney, a climate and finance policy consultant at the Eurasia Group, where she works closely with Gerald Butts, a close friend and former top aide to Trudeau who donated to Carney’s campaign.
Carney’s political inexperience was put under the spotlight during the last stretch of his leadership run, when he denied that his role at his old firm Brookfield Asset Management overlapped with a final decision on moving its headquarters to New York.
The Opposition Conservatives quickly pounced on that, revealing a letter he signed just in December approving the move.
Carney now helms the Liberal party but does not currently hold a seat in Parliament.
His political mettle will be tested soon enough, with political Ottawa chattering about the next federal election likely to be just around the corner, and a call expected in the coming weeks after he’s sworn in as prime minister.
Your second paragraph contains so much apples-to-oranges, it might as well be a fruit salad. Can you join the two concepts of "1% of earners pay 42% of taxes" and "tax rates are 1/3rd of what they were" without me explaining it to you, or do I have to type WEALTH INEQUALITY very slowly, again.
Are you a free market capitalist?
1: Pay your taxes. If you chose not to pay taxes in this country, you may leave it. If you are a corporation, that goes for your business license.
2: If the monopolistic large corp does not exist, other corporations will spring up to fill the need in the market. Some may be more efficient and succeed, some may be less efficient and fail. This is good, actually.
If the government is protecting business, that is not free market capitalism. That's soy boy corporations not being able to swim without government-sponsored safe spaces.
Canada has resources that make it attractive. If you don't care for the country and what it has to offer, in exchange for your fair contribution to society, you are free to leave. <- and that should be government policy.
And no mention of his time in private equity.He will govern from the center left, which is the safest way to go. Unlike you, he is a Liberal at heart, but to win this election he has to move to the center to steal the folks that moved to Pee Pee due to being sick of Justin, but you know that. You just as you did with Biden want to shit on anything on the left.
Now, read and learn. I have boldened the important parts just in case you were to gloss over them.
Who is Mark Carney? Here's some background on Canada's next prime minister
Even when Mark Carney was still in high school, his friends bugged him about whether he would become prime minister one day.montreal.citynews.ca
OTTAWA — Even when Mark Carney was still in high school, his friends bugged him about whether he would become prime minister one day.
His answer was one fit for a future politician: to never confirm nor deny.
Carney, a devout Roman Catholic who hails from Fort Smith, N.W.T. and turns 60 next week, cleared his first major political test on Sunday, winning the Liberal leadership by wowing party faithful.
The globe-trotting, two-time central banker who navigated the Canada and UK economies during times of crisis comes otherwise untested at the ballot box and will become Canada’s next prime minister over the coming days.
The only practical experience he has in the political arena — aside from many years of allowing speculation to build up that he might launch a bid to lead the party — he gleaned during the past two months of an unusually short leadership race called to replace outgoing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Carney’s campaign would not make him available for an interview with The Canadian Press at any point during the race, despite multiple requests.
His friends say it’s his other qualities, not his political acumen — his core liberal values, his sterling resume, strategic mind and witty banter — that make him catnip to Liberals.
Carney’s days as bank governor earned him a reputation in Ottawa as a gruff but cerebral policy wonk.
Former Liberal environment minister Catherine McKenna vouches that he’s personable and witty behind the scenes.
“While you often see him and he looks quite serious, he’s quite a funny guy,” she said.
“It’s always hard because you see politicians in a very particular context. Sometimes that’s standing behind a podium and those are artificial situations. He’s a real person, he’s smart and he cares greatly about Canada.”
One such moment, where he broke through the stodgy official Ottawa atmosphere 12 years ago, came as speculation swirled that he might run for Liberal leadership.
The then-Bank of Canada governor shrugged off the suggestion he might run to become an MP.
“Why don’t I become a circus clown?” he joked.
McKenna and Carney have kids around the same age and have been friends for more than a decade. At one point, their friend group decided they needed to become more adventurous, so they challenged each other to come up with ideas and went whitewater kayaking in the Ottawa River and spent time learning how to curl.
“So, you have the bank governor curling and everyone’s just hanging out … curling or drinking beers and watching, having fun,” she said.
McKenna, who has seen him speak on the world stage about climate change and economic opportunity, has endorsed his candidacy even though Carney has pledged to reverse part of a capstone government policy she championed during her tenure in office: the consumer carbon price.
McKenna said that was “a tough pill” to swallow, but blames the opposition to the policy on Conservative politicians who whipped up anger over the policy and endorses Carney’s environmental plan as one that’s “well thought out.”
Carney has played up his past as a hockey goalie — once playing as a backup for Harvard — and his love of the Edmonton Oilers during the campaign, as he crafted his public image.
He once told CBC host George Stroumboulopoulos that he was just OK at the sport.
“I opened the gate for a lot of good hockey players,” he said in a 2011 interview.
“That speaks to Mark. He’s just a very humble guy,” said John Hecker, a longtime friend of Carney’s who went to Saint Francis Xavier high school with him in Edmonton, where they played soccer and basketball.
“Physical activity has been a big part of his life and I remember it’s gotten him — not in trouble, but his security detail in London wasn’t happy with him when he wanted to jog into work each morning rather than get picked up and dropped off.”
Carney was raised Catholic in Edmonton, Alta., where his father Bob Carney, a school teacher, ran unsuccessfully as a Liberal candidate in Edmonton–South in 1980 against the Progressive Conservative incumbent Doug Roche.
Roche, now 96, appeared at Mark Carney’s campaign launch on Jan. 16 to get a sense of what he’s like working a crowd.
“He complimented me when I said that the best man didn’t win — meaning his father — and he said, ‘Oh yeah, the best man did win’, meaning me. It was a pleasant little thing, you know,” Roche said.
The former MP and senator has attended church with Carney in the past and thinks he has what it takes for federal political arena after watching the recent leadership debates — even though he described him as an “anti-politician” and a stark contrast to Trudeau’s persona.
“He’s not a showman. He has a certain technocratic manner to him. It may be that at this particular moment our country’s going through, partly in reaction to Trump and Trumpism, that this may be what people are looking for. He doesn’t come off as aggrandizing,” he said.
“He thinks in terms of social justice and speaks in terms of the boardroom.”
His decade-plus career in the financial sector took him all over the world, from New York to Tokyo, reportedly earning him millions at the investment bank Goldman Sachs at one point, although he has not disclosed his personal finances as his predecessor did during his party leadership run.
Carney spent a large chunk of his career as a public servant — eventually becoming the UK’s first non-British central bank governor.
It’s controversial for central bank governors to take roles in partisan politics, since the independent institutions must be seen to be above the political fray in their decision making or risk its credibility being undermined.
Now, his previously rosy record captaining Canada’s central bank through the economic crisis of 2008 is coming under increasing scrutiny, especially after former prime minister Stephen Harper cast doubt on it in a recent letter that appeared in Conservative fundraising emails.
Carney portrayed himself during the leadership race as a political outsider, although he does have many ties to ranking figures from Trudeau’s inner circle and prominent politicians across the country.
He co-captained the Oxford Blues hockey team with former justice minister David Lametti and is the godfather to the son of his main opponent in the leadership race, Chrystia Freeland.
He’s married to Diana Fox Carney, a climate and finance policy consultant at the Eurasia Group, where she works closely with Gerald Butts, a close friend and former top aide to Trudeau who donated to Carney’s campaign.
Carney’s political inexperience was put under the spotlight during the last stretch of his leadership run, when he denied that his role at his old firm Brookfield Asset Management overlapped with a final decision on moving its headquarters to New York.
The Opposition Conservatives quickly pounced on that, revealing a letter he signed just in December approving the move.
Carney now helms the Liberal party but does not currently hold a seat in Parliament.
His political mettle will be tested soon enough, with political Ottawa chattering about the next federal election likely to be just around the corner, and a call expected in the coming weeks after he’s sworn in as prime minister.
Pretty convenient.
You evidently did not understand my post when I said it's about perspective.
Some people say that the Liberals are radical left bordering on Communist. Others would say that they are a bit left of being centrists. I've been called a leftie and I've been called a rightie. It's all about perspective.
There is a lot that gets hand waved away in these sorts of comparisons, and it is very rare for people to really engage with anything other than their favourite factoids.
Exactly what I was saying, but boobtoucher cannot grasp this concept.
If I may use this analogy, boobtoucher is trying to tell us that when you touch the boobs of a 20 year old woman, they will feel the exact same as when you touch those boobs when that woman is 60. Of course they are going to change and feel different. They have shifted and evolved with time, exactly the same as societal standards. (Can I give myself a "like" for this post?)
Mark Carney — Just What We Don't Need
Carney is the incarnation of elite presumption, predictably wrong on every issue — and if crowned leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, will crash and burn just like Michael Ignatieff, writes John Robson.
www.dorchesterreview.ca
And I have no doubt in time a shit ton will come out.
There's not a single thing in that article about the "Carnage" nickname.Mark Carney — Just What We Don't Need
Carney is the incarnation of elite presumption, predictably wrong on every issue — and if crowned leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, will crash and burn just like Michael Ignatieff, writes John Robson.www.dorchesterreview.ca
And I have no doubt in time a shit ton will come out.
Mostly it comes up on social media. He tries to throw it off as a childhood nickname but there looks to be more to it.
No doubt more will come out.
And don't worry, when it does, I will add it.
I grasp what you are trying to say just fine. I disagree with it. We're arguing semantics anyway.
Exactly what I was saying, but boobtoucher cannot grasp this concept.
If I may use this analogy, boobtoucher is trying to tell us that when you touch the boobs of a 20 year old woman, they will feel the exact same as when you touch those boobs when that woman is 60. Of course they are going to change and feel different. They have shifted and evolved with time, exactly the same as societal standards. (Can I give myself a "like" for this post?)
The scale of left, centre, right is fixed definitionally, like the electromagnetic spectrum.
Right now, we're only talking about fascism to socialism. Let's call that the visible light spectrum. There are ideologies outside of that spectrum, but we can't see them without developing new receptors (evolving as a society). The parties are functionally the names of colours. Arbitrary definitions for parts of the spectrum. This is the thing you guys see as changeable over time/as society evolves. Taupe has always been there, we just never used to talk about it.
The politics on offer at a given time are the Overton Window. This is equivalent to putting on a set of tinted glasses: The visible spectrum is still as wide as it has always been, and ordered in the same way it has always been, we are just limiting the parts of it that we can see.
And we're simplifying anyway, because we're only talking left-right, and not authoritarian/libertarian. Political ideology is better defined in 2 dimensions.
So it is a narrative you heard on the internet and have chosen to believe without evidence.
OK.
You do that.
Hey, why not try to actually tell us why we should vote for Carney?
Is it because you will have trouble doing so?
I didn't vote for him for party leader and I strongly suspect I won't vote for him in the general.
I just noticed you kept bringing up this nickname as if it was important so I asked about it.
You now seem mad that "Butler just believed a thing he saw on the internet because it confirmed his priors" happened again.
