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Michael Cohen says trump was aware of 2016 trump tower meeting beforehand

Butler1000

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Many, many prosecutor's have successfully used 'less than savory' witnesses to achieve convictions of 'less than savory' criminals. More often than not, a rat rats out other rats, or in Trump's case, King Rat.

Do you really believe that there are 'pure as the driven snow' conspirators/criminals in a conspiratorial/criminal group?

Trump has surrounded himself with like minded people throughout his life ..... that being those who would bend and subvert the law just as Trump would and has.
With other evidence to corroborate the testimony.
 

Anbarandy

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With other evidence to corroborate the testimony.
There were others present in the room when King Conspirator gave his stamp of approval and wholehearted endorsement to engage in a conspiracy with the Russians to interfere in election notwithstanding the reams of circumstantial evidence preceding, during and after the conspiratorial meeting to prove within a reasonable doubt 'conspiracy' and obstruct of justice.

"Okay everyone, all together now ...... who are we?"

"We are Team Trump"

"And what do we do?"

"TREASON! TREASON! Yeah TREASON!!!!"
 

Frankfooter

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Sure. But as he won't be the one supposedly testifying it doesn't matter.
Now that Cohen says he knew about the collusion meeting with Don Jr he'll try as hard as possible to avoid talking to Mueller.
Lying to the FBI is a big deal.
 

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It's admissibility is up to a judge.
I'm too lazy to do a proper research on US law but here's the first hit: http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3610&context=mulr
And it seems that
1. evidence is clearly admissible, and
2. it can go either way at preliminary hearing or at trial

PS - and here's a piece from 2016: Conviction May Be Sustained upon the Uncorroborated Testimony of a Single Accomplice
In United States v. Fernandez et al., Docket No. 14-4158-cr (L), a summary order issued today, the Circuit principally reaffirms the longstanding rule that “a conviction can be sustained on the basis of testimony from a single accomplice, so long as the testimony is not incredible on its face and is capable of establishing guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.” http://blog.federaldefendersny.org/...n-uncorroborated-testimony-single-accomplice/
 

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I'm too lazy to do a proper research on US law but here's the first hit: http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3610&context=mulr
And it seems that
1. evidence is clearly admissible, and
2. it can go either way at preliminary hearing or at trial

PS - and here's a piece from 2016: Conviction May Be Sustained upon the Uncorroborated Testimony of a Single Accomplice
In United States v. Fernandez et al., Docket No. 14-4158-cr (L), a summary order issued today, the Circuit principally reaffirms the longstanding rule that “a conviction can be sustained on the basis of testimony from a single accomplice, so long as the testimony is not incredible on its face and is capable of establishing guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.” http://blog.federaldefendersny.org/...n-uncorroborated-testimony-single-accomplice/
That's pretty much what I said. My speculation is Cohen's reputation will preclude it as credible without back up.
 

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And with his reputation in tatters and no other cooberation at this time it can be argued easily there is reasonable doubt to its veracity.
LOL. As opposed to that paragon of honesty and integrity Donald J. trump. Too funny. You should reread Giuliani's assessment of Cohen from a few weeks ago when he said he was totally honest and credible etc. I am paraphrasing but you get the idea.
 

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That's pretty much what I said. My speculation is Cohen's reputation will preclude it as credible without back up.
Are you saying that Cohen's testimony would be 'incredible' vs Trump's word?
Your defences get thinner and thinner.
 

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Trump's lies don't matter.
They will in an impartial court of law if they have to decide is less credible. No way at all that Cohen can match trump's list of lies that are on record.
 

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Are you saying that Cohen's testimony would be 'incredible' vs Trump's word?
Your defences get thinner and thinner.
I'm saying that as a witness he would be shredded and reasonable doubt would play.
 

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LOL. As opposed to that paragon of honesty and integrity Donald J. trump. Too funny. You should reread Giuliani's assessment of Cohen from a few weeks ago when he said he was totally honest and credible etc. I am paraphrasing but you get the idea.
It doesn't matter for reasonable doubt.
 

Butler1000

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Your right. Only those debunked Clinton conspiracies do not need corroboration.
Note she hasn't been arrested either. Because of reasonable doubt. Same will apply here.
 

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LOL. As opposed to that paragon of honesty and integrity Donald J. trump. Too funny. You should reread Giuliani's assessment of Cohen from a few weeks ago when he said he was totally honest and credible etc. I am paraphrasing but you get the idea.
What is said in the press doesn't matter. Other than the latest word to potential jurors.
 

Frankfooter

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What is said in the press doesn't matter. Other than the latest word to potential jurors.
Trump's tweets have been used against him in court already.
What is said in the press matters very much.
Guiliani, for instance, just fucked over his claims that Cohen isn't trustworthy as Guiliani has publicly also said Cohen is very trustworthy.
Which makes Guiliani the untrustworthy one here.
Trump, well we know that Trump lies so much he can never be interviewed by Mueller.

Good luck on your character defence.
 

Butler1000

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Trump's tweets have been used against him in court already.
What is said in the press matters very much.
Guiliani, for instance, just fucked over his claims that Cohen isn't trustworthy as Guiliani has publicly also said Cohen is very trustworthy.
Which makes Guiliani the untrustworthy one here.
Trump, well we know that Trump lies so much he can never be interviewed by Mueller.

Good luck on your character defence.
Honestly as this isn't going to see a courtroom I'm good.
 

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Trump's tweets have been used against him in court already.
What is said in the press matters very much.
Guiliani, for instance, just fucked over his claims that Cohen isn't trustworthy as Guiliani has publicly also said Cohen is very trustworthy.
Which makes Guiliani the untrustworthy one here.
Trump, well we know that Trump lies so much he can never be interviewed by Mueller.

Good luck on your character defence.
A blatant liar like Trump can only have the most dishonest politicians in his cabinet. Giuliani has lied on numerous occasions. His son and son-in-law are liars.
Jail Her was the biggest lie!!
 

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Of course not! No reasonable person believes he was not aware of the meeting. Getting his hands on Hillary’s emails would have been the biggest, most exciting thing that possibly could have blessed the Trump campaign; are we seriously expected to believe that Don Jr kept this secret from his Dad? LMAO!
 
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