men in toronto do not pick up enough
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...I am a man that has grown up and accordingly values relationships more than what a person looks like.
Like i said...I did the cheerleaders back in school. I don't have anything else to prove to myself...or anyone else.
"Men always value youth and beauty over other things. "
LOL...that is so funny...you have no idea how much. Explains a lot though
Dr69 said:
...I am a man that has grown up and accordingly values relationships more than what a person looks like.
Like i said...I did the cheerleaders back in school. I don't have anything else to prove to myself...or anyone else.
"Men always value youth and beauty over other things. "
LOL...that is so funny...you have no idea how much. Explains a lot though
Nope....
...not saying that. Saying EXACTLY the opposite of that.
It is well documented that I tried going the Massage route...there are reviews posted
Insofar as the SP...it is also well documented about my trials and tribulations with that. Moreover, I said earlier that things have recently...changed.
Though....technically....LOL...I still can say I didn't pay for it....all of it anyway (LOL...gawd I love fucking with you guys)
Seriously....I debated telling the tale....but elected not to because a) a NRP was in effect, and b) I don't think I could find a way to be honest about it without it reflecting negatively on both persons...and that would not be fair.
Suffice to say I learned why someone who should know told me I shouldn't get involved in the hobby. Seems...she was right. It isn't for me. At least not under those terms and circumstances.
Still...who knows what the future might hold? A recent "negative" review gave me reason to think that a certain someone might be a much, much better fit. Who knows??
Esco! said:
...not saying that. Saying EXACTLY the opposite of that.
It is well documented that I tried going the Massage route...there are reviews posted
Insofar as the SP...it is also well documented about my trials and tribulations with that. Moreover, I said earlier that things have recently...changed.
Though....technically....LOL...I still can say I didn't pay for it....all of it anyway (LOL...gawd I love fucking with you guys)
Seriously....I debated telling the tale....but elected not to because a) a NRP was in effect, and b) I don't think I could find a way to be honest about it without it reflecting negatively on both persons...and that would not be fair.
Suffice to say I learned why someone who should know told me I shouldn't get involved in the hobby. Seems...she was right. It isn't for me. At least not under those terms and circumstances.
Still...who knows what the future might hold? A recent "negative" review gave me reason to think that a certain someone might be a much, much better fit. Who knows??
Right. And that is why you spend your time hanging around on escort review boards. This site is all about "valuing relationships"... LOL. You are so full of it, it is isn't even funny.MLAM said:
I think the real explanantion is that it is "sour grapes". You have tried to get younger women, but they find you repulsive. So you settle for the washed up 40 somethings. And claim that younger women are too immature. You go for the low hanging fruit and fancy yourself as some sort of Don Juan because you can pick up women that nobody else wants. Kinda like the guy who always dated fat chicks back in high school.
Fair enough then...
...believe what you will. I am not trying to change your mind...you and I are very much not alike, so you would never see things from my perspective...
Suffice to say that I have been in both places...and I like this place better. If you aren't the sort of guy whose personality and intellect allows him to be where I am...then be happy where you are. No harm...no foul.
Dr69 said:
...believe what you will. I am not trying to change your mind...you and I are very much not alike, so you would never see things from my perspective...
Suffice to say that I have been in both places...and I like this place better. If you aren't the sort of guy whose personality and intellect allows him to be where I am...then be happy where you are. No harm...no foul.
Why are you arguing? He likes women his own ageish who are attainable. And...Dr69 said:
I'm 30ish, and I consider anything younger than 25 to be a dating dead zone. If she's under 25 there's a good chance we won't get each others cultural references, and that half of what I say will go right by. I'll blissfully date all the way up to 40ish. I'm shallow enough to say that appearance does matter to me, but I'm realistic enough to know when I way out of my league looks wise or money wise.
It's basically payed off in spades-- I'm not stud but I'm happy enough and I do well enough. (And I'm not shy, and I go out.)
As far as being on the TERB for things other than escorts-- It's possible-- If I'm not in a new committed thing I love my monthly SC crawls. It's an honest to god thrill for me. Oddly enough, any dancers I get dances from have to fall within the theoretical range of people I've picked up (or have to be too damn interesting to pass up). If a dancer is 'too fugly' I get a case or "Why pay?", and if a dancer is 'too hot' it breaks my suspension of disbelief. That's where realism comes in (and that's probably the root of my dislike of the highest end SCs.).
But I sure would love to be a player, or rich like you.
You will be surprised my friend.tboy said:
Also, there are some single guys who mix it up between Sp's and Civilians. Where with SP's you get right to the point, with no headache or strings attached. And Civi's for more intimacy.
You're way lost buddy. I can see why you're unsuccessful with women. They probably get some sort of bad vibe from you.
A thread of this sort seems more fitting to POF than TERB but anyway... First and foremost, whenever someone (mostly women) asks a question about why they are not getting asked out more often, in my opinion, the framing of the question sets up a basically incorrect response pattern. I should note, men (generally) do the same sort of thing when asking why they are not getting dates. The question almost begs for the sort of responses found throughout this thread. Regardless of gender or the specifics of the question, the common thread in any such situation is the person asking the question. It seems clear not everyone has the same experience and thus it should also be clear that the question should really be about what the person asking is doing wrong.
I haven't seen Miss Maya Blue out and about intent on finding Mr Right (now) so I am not in a position to make any definite judgements. One thing that did strike me immediately was mention of her being being out with her herd. That's well and fine, however, I would note that for most guys (myself included) approaching a table of women is sort of like a wolf approaching a herd of deer. Generally, wolves will jump on the lone deer that has strayed from the security of the herd (the young and the sick). Guys are a lot more likely to approach a woman that is by herself. Now, from experience, I'd say that means the circumstances have to allow for some degree of separation or some means to interact with the outsiders or guys. This does not mean that women should be hanging around alone, rather that the women have to provide a means for men to approach one-on-one -- if only for a brief interaction. In a sense, that is how women actually make the first move. This can happen rather easily and it can be relatively easy to make approaches. Go get a drink at the bar (counter) by yourself, for example. If it is not happening for you, perhaps some tweaking of your behavior and/or appearance, as a group going out and as individuals from that group, might be considered.
Granted, I live in Hamilton. Nonetheless, my own experience of "Toronto" women is not all that different from women from other places. It is easy enough to find examples of just about every sort of issue raised in this thread. Women who are too negative, men who are shy and insecure. None of this speaks to the whole population out there. Most guys are fairly decent and most women pretty nice. Not everybody is going to be your type. We all have feelings. Sometimes, those feelings get trampled on by others. If you try to be Christian (or whatever faith based code you happen to subscribe to) about it, the chances are you'll survive to try again. Neither sex has a monopoly of experience with rejection or rejecting.
Some of the comments about the social circumstances offered were interesting reads. Given the level of generality, though, I am not so sure these serve as a useful explanation for anything particular to Toronto. I would say that the "game" is still played much as it has been. There are some nifty new tools available, like the net and cells, but nothing that has really revolutionized singles relations. Women still expect men to formally initiate contact. Men still hate having to initiate contact but they do it anyway. The circumstances of the interaction have changed somewhat. I suspect that a search would yield statistical evidence supporting that people still build most of their relationships through their existing social networks. Doing otherwise makes the entire effort of finding mates much more difficult.
Of course, this is a somewhat biased board from which to draw any general conclusions about dating so I won't do so. I will note that the larger part of the group of people participating here are somehow related to the sex trade -- either as clients or providers. This isn't a good sample from which to draw advice for the topic of dating. The expectations of interaction are probably skewed severely and I suspect the parties are somewhat disconnected from the real world de facto.
One thing I do notice is that regardless of the position taken, it seems as if the vast majority of participants seem determined to attribute blame to one or the other gender. Few posts even acknowledge the possibility that any generally observed phenomenea are necessarily a function of the interaction of the sexes, not a particular gender. It is stunning to read most of the posts here that place blame on women exclusively or men. Surely most people don't believe that?
I haven't seen Miss Maya Blue out and about intent on finding Mr Right (now) so I am not in a position to make any definite judgements. One thing that did strike me immediately was mention of her being being out with her herd. That's well and fine, however, I would note that for most guys (myself included) approaching a table of women is sort of like a wolf approaching a herd of deer. Generally, wolves will jump on the lone deer that has strayed from the security of the herd (the young and the sick). Guys are a lot more likely to approach a woman that is by herself. Now, from experience, I'd say that means the circumstances have to allow for some degree of separation or some means to interact with the outsiders or guys. This does not mean that women should be hanging around alone, rather that the women have to provide a means for men to approach one-on-one -- if only for a brief interaction. In a sense, that is how women actually make the first move. This can happen rather easily and it can be relatively easy to make approaches. Go get a drink at the bar (counter) by yourself, for example. If it is not happening for you, perhaps some tweaking of your behavior and/or appearance, as a group going out and as individuals from that group, might be considered.
Granted, I live in Hamilton. Nonetheless, my own experience of "Toronto" women is not all that different from women from other places. It is easy enough to find examples of just about every sort of issue raised in this thread. Women who are too negative, men who are shy and insecure. None of this speaks to the whole population out there. Most guys are fairly decent and most women pretty nice. Not everybody is going to be your type. We all have feelings. Sometimes, those feelings get trampled on by others. If you try to be Christian (or whatever faith based code you happen to subscribe to) about it, the chances are you'll survive to try again. Neither sex has a monopoly of experience with rejection or rejecting.
Some of the comments about the social circumstances offered were interesting reads. Given the level of generality, though, I am not so sure these serve as a useful explanation for anything particular to Toronto. I would say that the "game" is still played much as it has been. There are some nifty new tools available, like the net and cells, but nothing that has really revolutionized singles relations. Women still expect men to formally initiate contact. Men still hate having to initiate contact but they do it anyway. The circumstances of the interaction have changed somewhat. I suspect that a search would yield statistical evidence supporting that people still build most of their relationships through their existing social networks. Doing otherwise makes the entire effort of finding mates much more difficult.
Of course, this is a somewhat biased board from which to draw any general conclusions about dating so I won't do so. I will note that the larger part of the group of people participating here are somehow related to the sex trade -- either as clients or providers. This isn't a good sample from which to draw advice for the topic of dating. The expectations of interaction are probably skewed severely and I suspect the parties are somewhat disconnected from the real world de facto.
One thing I do notice is that regardless of the position taken, it seems as if the vast majority of participants seem determined to attribute blame to one or the other gender. Few posts even acknowledge the possibility that any generally observed phenomenea are necessarily a function of the interaction of the sexes, not a particular gender. It is stunning to read most of the posts here that place blame on women exclusively or men. Surely most people don't believe that?
Oh, probably. Even so, traditionally, men formally initiate. What women do is facilitate the initiation by doing stuff that makes them approachable. I know some folks would like to mess with that tried and true formula but really... Why?Miss Maya Blue said:
Yup. It's a lot easier to approach a lady since she's expecting a gentleman to do so. That said, it is still the case that women really do their part in this dynamic too.Noir said:
What we all need to understand here.....
Is the woman a man wants to marry...be long term with....meet Mom with....show on his arm regularly.... is not a Service Provider.
We are talking about two separate entities..and that is why the whole deal is so discreet and behind the scenes. WHile I thoroughly enjoy the thought of many many of the SP being with me.....I would not want to date them if they are in the scene..plain and simple.
So to the Poster...If you as a group of three girls come off as Sp..or looser women.....men while they may wanna kcuf you, they may find someone who has a more 'long term' vibe about them. Men are usually intuitive enough to separate....and probably decide NOT TONIGHT Honey!
Take no offence. Until you are out of biz, and sending off a different vibe.....dems de breaks
Is the woman a man wants to marry...be long term with....meet Mom with....show on his arm regularly.... is not a Service Provider.
We are talking about two separate entities..and that is why the whole deal is so discreet and behind the scenes. WHile I thoroughly enjoy the thought of many many of the SP being with me.....I would not want to date them if they are in the scene..plain and simple.
So to the Poster...If you as a group of three girls come off as Sp..or looser women.....men while they may wanna kcuf you, they may find someone who has a more 'long term' vibe about them. Men are usually intuitive enough to separate....and probably decide NOT TONIGHT Honey!
Take no offence. Until you are out of biz, and sending off a different vibe.....dems de breaks
Interesting thread Maya.
I'm definitely one of those guys you are talking about. Born and raised in Toronto I very rarely approach a woman in a bar/club/shop. I find that women in Toronto are not very approachable. Many have unrealistic expectations or ridiculous attitude. Plus I'm a bit shy (part of the reason I'm on this board I guess)
On one hand I have a hard time believing you and Sierra don't get hit on ever. I haven't seen you but I've seen Sierra - she's an attractive girl. But on the other hand I can see where you're coming from. I think alot of guys are like me: reserved and afraid of rejection. Others just don't know what to say.
Private parties are still the best way to meet someone new.
I'm definitely one of those guys you are talking about. Born and raised in Toronto I very rarely approach a woman in a bar/club/shop. I find that women in Toronto are not very approachable. Many have unrealistic expectations or ridiculous attitude. Plus I'm a bit shy (part of the reason I'm on this board I guess)
On one hand I have a hard time believing you and Sierra don't get hit on ever. I haven't seen you but I've seen Sierra - she's an attractive girl. But on the other hand I can see where you're coming from. I think alot of guys are like me: reserved and afraid of rejection. Others just don't know what to say.
Private parties are still the best way to meet someone new.
Does anyone else find it rather ironic that Maya is saying she's approachable but has no problem rejecting many men who contact her @ $700 for two hours?
I wonder what the success rate would be when a guy approaches her with a grin and a drink with an umbrella in it?
"Hey pal, come back with $700 and a pic hijacked from modelmayhem and maybe you'll get to the promised land."
LOL.
I wonder what the success rate would be when a guy approaches her with a grin and a drink with an umbrella in it?
"Hey pal, come back with $700 and a pic hijacked from modelmayhem and maybe you'll get to the promised land."
LOL.
I agree. I wish woman would get out of the dark ages and give us a sign or approach us if they desire us. Sure would make things a-lot easier for us. Most of us fear rejection and are sick of the games girls play.
To Maya, I'm no expert, but I think a lot of women subconsciously send out "don't approach me" vibes despite the fact that they want to be approached. Maybe they don't want to appear 'easy' or as a flirt. Maybe you are unknowingly doing this? Or maybe there's somthing about you that intimidates guys...who knows?[/QUOTE]
To Maya, I'm no expert, but I think a lot of women subconsciously send out "don't approach me" vibes despite the fact that they want to be approached. Maybe they don't want to appear 'easy' or as a flirt. Maybe you are unknowingly doing this? Or maybe there's somthing about you that intimidates guys...who knows?[/QUOTE]
I find it strange that Maya is looking for a boyfriend when she does this for a living.
Mao Tse Tongue said:Does anyone else find it rather ironic that Maya is saying she's approachable but has no problem rejecting many men who contact her @ $700 for two hours?
I wonder what the success rate would be when a guy approaches her with a grin and a drink with an umbrella in it?
"Hey pal, come back with $700 and a pic hijacked from modelmayhem and maybe you'll get to the promised land."
LOL.
So then why are you putting down men who want to date, younger attractive women? If they can get them, why is it your problem? Your posts come across as lecturing, condescending and judgemental. And your point about men dating women their own age, even the words you used sound EXACTLY like those a woman would use.MLAM said:
This thread started with a woman asking why Toronto men don't pick up. Your arguments are reinforcing some of the negative beliefs that men may have and that stop them from trying to pick up. It is like you saying, "oh women don't find asian guys attractive and so they should date their own race." Who the hell are you to tell us what women find attractive and what type of women we should approach? If I see an attractive woman, I am going to approach her, I don't care what she thinks about me. That is the whole point of this post. The moment you start self guessing this game, you lose. Oh, maybe I am too old for her, too black, too fat, too skinny, too bald. These are reasons men have in their mind that hold them back from approaching women. If you are happy dating old bags, good for you. But, don't diss men who are trying to do better, and, shock and horror, maybe even date out of their own league. They have every right to try. Instead of sending a positive message, you are bringing out all this negative crap. Exactly the type of crap that bitter, old hags complain about on those "relationship boards".
