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poorboy

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I'm surprised.

Unless I missed it, after every big shooting, some NRA representative will put up a brave defence and refute anyone wanting a crack down on guns.

Yet this time, no NRA rep.
It would help if you looked. If you had an open mind, you also wouldn't make a judgement on the NRA. Try doing a search on the internet by typing in "NRA" and "Las Vegas". Article is October 5, 2017.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/republicans-guns-bump-stocks-las-vegas-shooting
 

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It would help if you looked. If you had an open mind, you also wouldn't make a judgement on the NRA. Try doing a search on the internet by typing in "NRA" and "Las Vegas". Article is October 5, 2017.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/republicans-guns-bump-stocks-las-vegas-shooting
Thanks. Took them 4 days to respond.

The National Rifle Association has broken its silence four days after the deadliest mass shooting in recent US history to call for “additional regulations” on bump-fire stocks, which the Las Vegas shooter used to turn his semi-automatic rifles into rapid-fire weapons.
 

Smallcock

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More guns than ever before in the hands of Americans, yet each year gun related deaths go DOWN.
 

Smallcock

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More Facts

Gang Violence Driving Force of Gun Violence


To hear gun control advocates speak, one would be led to believe that gun violence is a widespread problem whereby the mere existence of a gun is as much a problem as the person who intends to wield it. But the reality is that gun homicides are overwhelmingly tied to gang violence. In fact, a staggering 80% of gun homicides are gang-related. According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), gang homicides accounted for roughly 8,900 of 11,100 gun murders in both 2010 and 2011. That means that there were just 2,200 non gang-related firearm murders in both years in a country of over 300 million people and 250 million guns.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

Solve the problem of gang violence, and a huge chunk of the gun homicide and violence problem is solved.

The 2A is not negotiable!

Period!
Inconvenient facts. Because gang members murder each other at such high rates, they want to take away firearms from tens of millions of law abiding Americans lol
 

basketcase

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Nobody wants magazine limits. ....
Actually lots of people do and in terms of practicality they have a case.

Munitions manufactures don't want it because they know with big magazines, yahoos will burn through more rounds and it makes them money. Fact is though that if the US implemented a policy on magazine capacity, manufacturers will follow suit or lose access to the world's largest market.

You are right though, magazine limits alone aren't enough. As I've said repeatedly and no one has ever addressed, the ATF states that the vast majority of illegal guns used in crimes come from a small number of gun dealers that contravene the rules but legislations leave them little ability to investigate or prosecute.
 

basketcase

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EAsier with a rental truck ask ISIS…when they Attack Nice, FRANCE! They killed over 60 dead!
Trucks need to be registered and all truck drivers need to be licensed. Try asking the gun lobby about doing the same for guns.
 

poorboy

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Actually lots of people do and in terms of practicality they have a case.

Munitions manufactures don't want it because they know with big magazines, yahoos will burn through more rounds and it makes them money. Fact is though that if the US implemented a policy on magazine capacity, manufacturers will follow suit or lose access to the world's largest market.

You are right though, magazine limits alone aren't enough. As I've said repeatedly and no one has ever addressed, the ATF states that the vast majority of illegal guns used in crimes come from a small number of gun dealers that contravene the rules but legislations leave them little ability to investigate or prosecute.
No, they don't. You just think they do and keep constantly repeating it to try and convince others and yourself. Only 8 states have magazine capacity limits, and one of those states, Hawaii, only has limits on handguns, so 41 out of the 48 states have no limits on rifles. As stated earlier, one of those states, Colorado, doesn't even enforce the law because of the lack of cooperation from their police forces.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/30/colorado-gun-laws-enforcement/5055523/

6 out of 48 states is not "lots of people."

The U.S. will not be implementing national magazine limits, not when states like Wyoming are willing to give Magpul an $8.3 million interest free loan to relocate from Colorado. It would not be a stretch to say it could lead to civil war if they tried to nationally limit magazine capacities.

You're also wrong about ammunition manufacturers. Ammunition manufacturers never comment on mag capacity. Again, you know very little about the industry you are trying to criticize. The vast majority of people do not have hoards of ammunition they are constantly blasting off. The average gun has less than 500 rounds through it, and spends the vast majority of time in a safe. That's one of the reasons people are such lousy shots, including the police when they are in a high pressure situation. The vast majority of gun owners are just that, owners, not shooters. Guns are cheap. Ammunition is expensive. 5.56, the ammo used by the Vegas shooter averages 50 cents a round Cdn for a generic round. You go the range and shoot off 140 rounds, or 5 mags, that's $70. Ten trips like that and you've blown away enough ammo to buy another rifle.

Hunters only have a couple of boxes of ammo because that type of ammunition is expensive, typically at least a $1 Cdn a round. Precision ammo can be closer to $2 or more per round. The people who blast through large quantities of ammo, like IPSC shooters, reload, which is a small portion of an ammunition manufacturers business. If you actually walked into an outdoor store, you would see that.
 

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No, they don't. You just think they do.

Only 8 states have magazine capacity limits, and one of those states, Hawaii, only has limits on handguns, so 41 out of the 48 states have no limits on rifles.

The U.S. will not be implementing national magazine limits. It would not be a stretch to say it could lead to civil war if they tried.
Time for some charts, from Vox.

 

danmand

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Add to that suicides by firearm of 63 per 1 million people, and you get a combined rate of death by firearm of 10 per 100,000 Americans.
 

Smallcock

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Add to that suicides by firearm of 63 per 1 million people, and you get a combined rate of death by firearm of 10 per 100,000 Americans.
The rate of suicide in Canada is the same as it is in the US. People that want to kill themselves find a way.
 

cunning linguist

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Actually lots of people do and in terms of practicality they have a case.

Munitions manufactures don't want it because they know with big magazines, yahoos will burn through more rounds and it makes them money. Fact is though that if the US implemented a policy on magazine capacity, manufacturers will follow suit or lose access to the world's largest market.

You are right though, magazine limits alone aren't enough. As I've said repeatedly and no one has ever addressed, the ATF states that the vast majority of illegal guns used in crimes come from a small number of gun dealers that contravene the rules but legislations leave them little ability to investigate or prosecute.
You mean, the same ATF that knowingly allowed the illegal sale of firearms, resulting in the death of an ICE agent?
 

Frankfooter

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Translation: you didn't even read the post nor have a counter argument, so here's some half-assed, 2 seconds worth of Googling, click-bait.
No, the Vox article that the charts comes from is really quite good.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

It compares gun deaths around the world, suicide rates with gun use and even states with lesser guns in the US.
Its a good read.
More guns = more death by guns.
That's the basic truth to the stats and the article.
 

danmand

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The rate of suicide in Canada is the same as it is in the US. People that want to kill themselves find a way.
You are correct.
 

poorboy

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No, the Vox article that the charts comes from is really quite good.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

It compares gun deaths around the world, suicide rates with gun use and even states with lesser guns in the US.
Its a good read.
More guns = more death by guns.
That's the basic truth to the stats and the article.
Really? Because the FBI statistics seem to contradict that.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/73229/why-gun-violence-is-dropping-as-gun-sales-rise
 

cunning linguist

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No, the Vox article that the charts comes from is really quite good.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

It compares gun deaths around the world, suicide rates with gun use and even states with lesser guns in the US.
Its a good read.
More guns = more death by guns.
That's the basic truth to the stats and the article.
The post you quoted, discussed about how not only is a magazine capacity limit not feasible, it's not desired.

But hey, if you want to keep posting the same old, tired shit and pat yourself on the back...
 

basketcase

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No, they don't. You just think they do and keep constantly repeating it to try and convince others and yourself. Only 8 states have magazine capacity limits, and one of those states, Hawaii, only has limits on handguns, so 41 out of the 48 states have no limits on rifles. As stated earlier, one of those states, Colorado, doesn't even enforce the law because of the lack of cooperation from their police forces.
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Strange that you are discussing current laws while I am suggesting a new federal law.

And do you really think that people who own high capacity mags don't use that capacity? And as you point out, ammunition is expensive and that is why manufacturers are happy to sell extended mags so people will use more.

p.s. Hunters (at least competent ones) aren't the ones buying high capacity mags.
 
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