Maple Leafs

[John Wick]

He got hooked and his stick grabbed...video doesn’t lie...I guess he should have thrown himself on the ice and sold a call.

As far as giving up, those guys were gone...

If you say so, Mr. Apologist. The rest of the world saw a guy who was crowded side-by-side along the boards by Chychrun, and briefly held up. Then Chychrun disengaged and took off up ice. They were side by side at that point, Matthews was upright and not really encumbered in any way. Instead of following him, Matthews stops briefly, incredulous at the non-call, tries to take out his mouth guard to complain, and then realized there would be no call, the play was continuing without him, and he tried weakly to come back to his own zone. By then it was too late, so he went back to bitching and moaning at the ref again.

I'm not debating there was interference, there was. There should have been a penalty called for sure. But there wasn't, and any hockey player knows, particularly at his level, you stay with the play to the whistle. He let his emotion and frustration take him out of the play, 3 on 3, in overtime. It cost him and the Leafs.

 

[Fun For All]

If you say so, Mr. Apologist. The rest of the world saw a guy who was crowded side-by-side along the boards by Chychrun, and briefly held up. Then Chychrun disengaged and took off up ice. They were side by side at that point, Matthews was upright and not really encumbered in any way. Instead of following him, Matthews stops briefly, incredulous at the non-call, tries to take out his mouth guard to complain, and then realized there would be no call, the play was continuing without him, and he tried weakly to come back to his own zone. By then it was too late, so he went back to bitching and moaning at the ref again.

I'm not debating there was interference, there was. There should have been a penalty called for sure. But there wasn't, and any hockey player knows, particularly at his level, you stay with the play to the whistle. He let his emotion and frustration take him out of the play, 3 on 3, in overtime. It cost him and the Leafs.

The referees cost the Leafs...it wasn’t interference it was hooking and holding

 

[John Wick]

The referees cost the Leafs...it wasn’t interference it was hooking and holding

Apparently it wasn't anything, according to the professional referees working the game. Here's the video. If you slow it down using the pause button, I don't see any hooking going on either. Mild interference IMO, but no hooking.

 

[Fun For All]

Apparently it wasn't anything, according to the professional referees working the game. Here's the video. If you slow it down using the pause button, I don't see any hooking going on either. Mild interference IMO, but no hooking.

He grabbed his stick, "That's a penalty every time"...also, Matthews never complains, so when he does I give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[shack]

No...the worse teams are capable of winning games, the best teams can lose games...

Of course. But generally speaking, when one of the teams is so far ahead in the standings, you'd expect them to win much more than their fare share and some of those games should be won handily.

Who have the Leafs lost to lately...Montreal, Buffalo and Phoenix. They keep playing down to their competition.

 

[Fun For All]

Of course. But generally speaking, when one of the teams is so far ahead in the standings, you'd expect them to win much more than their fare share and some of those games should be won handily.

Who have the Leafs lost to lately...Montreal, Buffalo and Phoenix. They keep playing down to their competition.

Shitty goaltending...they're 20 points inside a playoff spot, just saying...

 

[John Wick]

He grabbed his stick, "That's a penalty every time"...also, Matthews never complains, so when he does I give him the benefit of the doubt.

You said there was hooking. Please tell me at what time point in the video you see hooking. I would like to forward to that time stamp and see a Coyotes player who is clearly using his stick to restrain Matthews.

Also, you seem to be saying as a referee, you wouldn't necessarily call a penalty based on what you actually see, but rather on how much Matthews yaps, because, you know, he doesn't complain much so when he does complain that definitely must be a penalty. What do you do, blow the whistle to stop play, and then skate over and ask Matthews what penalty he thinks should be assessed?

 

[Fun For All]

You said there was hooking. Please tell me at what time point in the video you see hooking. I would like to forward to that time stamp and see a Coyotes player who is clearly using his stick to restrain Matthews.

I thought there was originally but now see that it was only 'holding the stick'...you do see that I'm sure...

 

[saxon]

Leafs have given up 50 goals in the last 11 games. Obviously defence and goaltending needs an upgrade.

 

[John Wick]

I thought there was originally but now see that it was only 'holding the stick'...you do see that I'm sure...

Sure I do. But what I also see is that when Chychrun lets go of the stick, Matthews is so pissed he gives up on the play for just long enough for Chychrun to play on, get separation, and skate up ice to score the winning goal. Why did Matthews momentarily give up on the play? Because he wanted to cry about it to the refs. He quickly realized that was a mistake in 3 on 3 OT hockey, but it was too late. That was mine and Chuck's original assertion. That right there cost the Leafs the game.

Is there some reason you can't accept or acknowledge Matthews fucked up and cost them the game? It wasn''t a blown call by the refs, it was a blown defensive play by Matthews that was the deciding factor.

 

[shack]

Shitty goaltending...they're 20 points inside a playoff spot, just saying...

Well, a goalie is part of the team.

The Leafs may have had the territorial advantage with the skaters, but taking into account Mrazek's play, the Leafs, as a team, got outplayed.

 

[Fun For All]

Sure I do. But what I also see is that when Chychrun lets go of the stick, Matthews is so pissed he gives up on the play for just long enough for Chychrun to play on, get separation, and skate up ice to score the winning goal. Why did Matthews momentarily give up on the play? Because he wanted to cry about it to the refs. He quickly realized that was a mistake in 3 on 3 OT hockey, but it was too late. That was mine and Chuck's original assertion. That right there cost the Leafs the game.

Is there some reason you can't accept or acknowledge Matthews fucked up and cost them the game? It wasn''t a blown call by the refs, it was a blown defensive play by Matthews that was the deciding factor.

Mrazek was shitty...and referee blew a call...is there a reason you don't want to acknowledge the blown call?

 

[John Wick]

Mrazek was shitty...and referee blew a call...is there a reason you don't want to acknowledge the blown call?

I never said Mrazek wasn't shitty. Quote where I posted otherwise. He was shitty, but in a tie game in OT when he was on the bench, he wasn't the direct reason the Leafs lost.

I never debated there was a blown call. In fact, I acknowledge there was some sort of missed call three different times - post 748, post 750, and post 757 that you just quoted above.

When will you admit you are wrong and that the blown call was not in fact the reason the Leafs lost? Here's the answer: Never. Because you are incapable of doing so. Except for that one time a while back when you did and apologized. But it was just that one time.

 

[Fun For All]

I never said Mrazek wasn't shitty. Quote where I posted otherwise. He was shitty, but in a tie game in OT when he was on the bench, he wasn't the direct reason the Leafs lost.

I never debated there was a blown call. In fact, I acknowledge there was some sort of missed call three different times - post 748, post 750, and post 757 that you just quoted above.

When will you admit you are wrong and that the blown call was not in fact the reason the Leafs lost? Here's the answer: Never. Because you are incapable of doing so. Except for that one time a while back when you did and apologized. But it was just that one time.

The reason they lost was the 8-ball Mrazek put them behind and then the blown non-call in overtime...Matthews was behind the play after the non-call and wither he sauntered back or not he wouldn't have caught up and the Coyotes still would have converted the 2 on 1 and scored...

 

[John Wick]

The reason they lost was the 8-ball Mrazek put them behind and then the blown non-call in overtime...Matthews was behind the play after the non-call and wither he sauntered back or not he wouldn't have caught up and the Coyotes still would have converted the 2 on 1 and scored...

 

[Fun For All]

The answer is you...

 

[John Wick]

I think it's you. LOL!

 

[mellowjello]

Watch the replay. Video doesn't lie.

You're going to bench Matthews a game for that.
Is that what you're saying?

 

[John Wick]

You're going to bench Matthews a game for that.
Is that what you're saying?

No, I would not. I'd have a quick word with him at practice and move on, but benching him would be ridiculous, in my opinion.

 

[smuddan]

The only thing that I see a little different from you is that, yes, Chychrun slows down Matthews but it is #63 that grabs the puck. At that point he was already going faster than Matthews. His momentum carried him past Matthews and with more speed. I don't think that Matthews had a chance to be anywhere close to him despite his jawing at the ref. 63 just blew right by him the second that Chychrun slowed him down.

Anyways, that's what my eyes saw.

I also saw Matthews working his tail off all night checking at both ends of the ice. He seems much more intense and focussed than he used to be. He's ready to be captain.

I watched the reply a couple of times and I concur with your assessment of the play. I’m sure had the Leafs scored a similar goal and won the game, non Leaf fans would be calling it a cheesy goal aided by the referees.

The question of captaincy is an interesting one. No question Matthews is ready and it’s up to Tavares to pass the torch.