Conclusion Aardvark154 - North American women (most not all can't make that generalization completely) are just confused and don't know what the hell they want. Slowly coming to the conclusion I need to take a trip to Europe or somewhere the women atleast know what they want if thats possible, atleast thats what my well travelled buddy from Finland keeps telling me LOL. I don't know maybe he is right he has an amazing wife and is the homeliest MF'r I know and damn she picked him up initially LOL.