Liberals lied on the carbon tax, according to Statistics Canada data

Butler1000

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He held his seat for 2 decades...is someone supposed to hold their seat forever? Is that your benchmark? Maybe the Liberals flooded that riding with candidates? Who knows?
The better question is how Carney came into power without ever winning a seat?

I get it...you were fooled by Liberal propaganda and are embarrassed to admit it.
I'd say it's a requirement to be continue to be considered leadership material in what was a two horse race. The concensus is it was just that. PP made the mistake of framing it all about negative campaigning. A more positive message would have carried through the Trudeau resignation. His personal popularity was a huge factor. His polling tanked. People just don't really like him.

That is the simple truth. The Conservatives need a better leader, and a better message.
 

Butler1000

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Says the guy who tries to convince everyone he votes Conservative but doesn't.
What are you trying to pull exactly?
I don't always vote for one party. I'm not a loyalist type. I clearly stated pre election that I had problems with Carney as a private equity guy. And that the Liberals needed a spell out back of the woodshed and a general housecleaning. That the Conservatives needed a turn. And that a healthy democracy should always have an opposition ready to take over.

The problem is the Conservatives have not been attracting and electing leaders the people of Canada want at the Federal level. Meanwhile at Provincial level they have won several. So it's not a "voter" problem(it never is) with the party or conservative policy. It's a leadership and trust issue. That is the obvious conclusion.

What you won't acknowledge is at least fiscally Carney is considered in many ways Conservative. The dude is a Central Banker and Private Equity CEO. How can he not be? I think the major issue with the Federal party is a perception of Conservative Social policy. They need a leader who can get over that hump before a real win can happen.
 

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" I don't think the word "initiated" has 2 meanings..."

That's even worse Lol!

It means on top of your ignorance of the English language...you don't think (which is no surprise)!

Maybe next time you try to be clever you will think before making a fool of yourself...again!
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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" I don't think the word "initiated" has 2 meanings..."

That's even worse Lol!
No, its correct.
Every response is related to the previous one, and my response is clearly referring to my earlier statement.
And you lied.
You failed even in quoting a response of mine and you are now engaging in more mental gymnastics and making yourself look foolish. lmfao.
 

Skoob

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I'd say it's a requirement to be continue to be considered leadership material in what was a two horse race. The concensus is it was just that. PP made the mistake of framing it all about negative campaigning. A more positive message would have carried through the Trudeau resignation. His personal popularity was a huge factor. His polling tanked. People just don't really like him.

That is the simple truth. The Conservatives need a better leader, and a better message.
His polling started to drop when the Liberals managed to deceive the public about how they could stand up to Trump better than the Conservatives would. Their fearmongering tactics were just better. That was the deciding factor.
We've seen since then that they fooled their supporters.
 

Skoob

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I don't always vote for one party. I'm not a loyalist type. I clearly stated pre election that I had problems with Carney as a private equity guy. And that the Liberals needed a spell out back of the woodshed and a general housecleaning. That the Conservatives needed a turn. And that a healthy democracy should always have an opposition ready to take over.

The problem is the Conservatives have not been attracting and electing leaders the people of Canada want at the Federal level. Meanwhile at Provincial level they have won several. So it's not a "voter" problem(it never is) with the party or conservative policy. It's a leadership and trust issue. That is the obvious conclusion.

What you won't acknowledge is at least fiscally Carney is considered in many ways Conservative. The dude is a Central Banker and Private Equity CEO. How can he not be? I think the major issue with the Federal party is a perception of Conservative Social policy. They need a leader who can get over that hump before a real win can happen.
Poilievre wouldn't have been so far in the polls if what you are saying were true. The Liberal fear-mongering was just better. That was really the only significant thing that happened that started the polls turning.

The Liberals have copied whatever social policy that the Conservatives were pushing.
 
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Skoob

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No, its correct.
Every response is related to the previous one, and my response is clearly referring to my earlier statement.
And you lied.
You failed even in quoting a response of mine and you are now engaging in more mental gymnastics and making yourself look foolish. lmfao.
The guy who admits to editing other people's posts is now crying about someone quoting him. I was paraphrasing your comment and your actual comment was even worse! Lol! You should have just crawled away but instead decided to double-down on your failure!

I'll leave you to figure out your hypocrisy so you don't keep looking foolish.
 
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His polling started to drop when the Liberals managed to deceive the public about how they could stand up to Trump better than the Conservatives would. Their fearmongering tactics were just better. That was the deciding factor.
We've seen since then that they fooled their supporters.
Also PP has a liberal arts degree with zero work experience going up against someone with a PhD in economics and vast work experience. Obviously you have no regard for education and competence seeing as you can not do basic math but most Canadians are able to do basic math and appreciate an educated leader.
 

Butler1000

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His polling started to drop when the Liberals managed to deceive the public about how they could stand up to Trump better than the Conservatives would. Their fearmongering tactics were just better. That was the deciding factor.
We've seen since then that they fooled their supporters.
Poilievre wouldn't have been so far in the polls if what you are saying were true. The Liberal fear-mongering was just better. That was really the only significant thing that happened that started the polls turning.

The Liberals have copied whatever social policy that the Conservatives were pushing.
So then the Liberals out campaigned them?

I agree. That is what happened. PP went from being all over the media to not.

My premise is the Liberal messaging was better. You can word it differently to villianize the Liberals if you like but it's still the same thing. The Conservatives need to do better.
 

Skoob

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Also PP has a liberal arts degree with zero work experience going up against someone with a PhD in economics and vast work experience. Obviously you have no regard for education and competence seeing as you can not do basic math but most Canadians are able to do basic math and appreciate an educated leader.
Sure Shaquille.

Funny how you suck Carney's balls because of his financial experience but he won't table a budget. Lol!
 
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Skoob

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So you were lying.
You tried to get the better of me and ended up lying and getting caught in your own lies. lmfao.
This on top of failing grade school math and not being able to articulate anything.
Too funny.
The guy who failed his ESL courses is saying others can't articulate. Lol!
Not only don't you know that the word "initiate" has more than one meaning, you don't even know what paraphrase means!

Paraphrase: express the meaning of (the writer or speaker or something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

Are you done doubling-down on your stupidity yet? Or do you want to provide more entertainment?
 
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Skoob

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So then the Liberals out campaigned them?

I agree. That is what happened. PP went from being all over the media to not.

My premise is the Liberal messaging was better. You can word it differently to villianize the Liberals if you like but it's still the same thing. The Conservatives need to do better.
Yes the Liberal's deceitful messaging and propaganda out campaigned them.
Conservatives need to learn how to lie and manipulate voters better that's for sure.

Conservatives also need to ensure the leftwing media outlets in Canada are rewarded more handsomely so that they can control how much exposure their opposition gets at will.

Like I always say...Liberals are great at winning elections and terrible at governing.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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The guy who failed his ESL courses is saying others can't articulate.
Liberals are great at winning elections and terrible at governing.
You couldn't articulate the impact of the carbon tax.
You couldn't articulate how the word "initiate" has two meanings in my comment.
You failed at grade school math.
Now you are failing even in the one thing you are good at - mental gymnastics. lmfao.
Even the guys you supported in the elections failed.
And yes, Liberals are great at winning elections because the majority of people agree with their governance.
Meanwhile what did all the sloganeering get you?
A shellacking and your leader losing his own seat lmfao.
Which is what happens when you fail to articulate anything as I mentioned above.
 
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Butler1000

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Yes the Liberal's deceitful messaging and propaganda out campaigned them.
Conservatives need to learn how to lie and manipulate voters better that's for sure.

Conservatives also need to ensure the leftwing media outlets in Canada are rewarded more handsomely so that they can control how much exposure their opposition gets at will.

Like I always say...Liberals are great at winning elections and terrible at governing.
That's some serious sour grapes!
 
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