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Insidious Von

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Stephane Duon will be rewarded for his work in the 1995 Quebec Referendum. I suspect he'll get foreign affairs.

Justin turned Harper's negative attack adds against him. He stayed proactive and his slogan, "he is not the economy, the economy is you" was a winner.

Fantino nearly took Woodbridge, Sorbara ran a humdrum campaign. Justin had to be parachuted in along with Mayor Bevilacqua and his uncle Greg to pull through.
 

onthebottom

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"The people" as in 40%, but where's the outrage over electoral reform and proportional representation now? :rolleyes:
I do remember several posts after Harper's last win about on 50% of people voting and he only got 40% and the resulting 20% not being a mandate.....
 

Titalian

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Stephane Duon will be rewarded for his work in the 1995 Quebec Referendum. I suspect he'll get foreign affairs.

Justin turned Harper's negative attack adds against him. He stayed proactive and his slogan, "he is not the economy, the economy is you" was a winner.

Fantino nearly took Woodbridge, Sorbara ran a humdrum campaign. Justin had to be parachuted in along with Mayor Bevilacqua and his uncle Greg to pull through.
Isn't that the truth.
 

Insidious Von

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Federal scientists will probably lobby to have Marc Garneau head their department. Eventually he will become Ambassador to the USA.
 

danmand

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I do remember several posts after Harper's last win about on 50% of people voting and he only got 40% and the resulting 20% not being a mandate.....
The FPTP is not a better electoral system, because the liberals won the election.

I hope that the Liberal party keep their promise that the 2015 election is the last one under FPTP. Justin Trudeau said in the press conference after the election that he stood by this promise.

However, FPTP may not look so bad to the liberals now, when they won a majority because of it
 

oldjones

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The FPTP is not a better electoral system, because the liberals won the election.

I hope that the Liberal party keep their promise that the 2015 election is the last one under FPTP. Justin Trudeau said in the press conference after the election that he stood by this promise.

However, FPTP may not look so bad to the liberals now, when they won a majority because of it
Agreed. PR wouldn't have altered the party rankings last night but it would have given the smaller parties seat numbers that would represent their vote numbers which were significantly higher that the FPTP seat result. Liberals and Cons would both a have lost a few but overall the voting public would be looking at a Parliament that shared the same views in the same proportions.

Since we're stuck with parties, we shouldn't be bonussing the ones who have already won; rather we should be making sure the small ones — who speak for considerable numbers of citizens — aren't erased. If Parliament is where we palaver and parlay our varying opinions into policies, we should be encouraging more voices not more bullyboys with unearned advantages.

Just a wee note about FPTP: In the olden days we ran it without party names on the ballot. A voter had no option but to choose the 'best' person — even if all that made them best was knowing the party they belonged to. In my riding there was a candidate for the PC Party of Canada who polled a decent but small number. Our first Conservative nominee dropped out due to unwise social media posts, but the party got a Conservative on the ballot just in time. He too got a decent but small number in a very NDP/Liberal stronghold. How many voters do you imagine picked their 'best choice person' and marked PC Party, without realizing he had nothing to do with the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party or the Conservative Party of Canada?

I think the FPTP advocates should support removing the party names from the ballots. Or we should forget the personal names and admit those 'best local folks' are just whoever the party dictates. Like the PR lists, but without every vote counting equally.
 

Frankfooter

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Agreed. PR wouldn't have altered the party rankings last night but it would have given the smaller parties seat numbers that would represent their vote numbers which were significantly higher that the FPTP seat result. Liberals and Cons would both a have lost a few but overall the voting public would be looking at a Parliament that shared the same views in the same proportions.
And perhaps it would force parties to show how they would work nicely with others, instead of all of them attacking each other for a winner take all election.
 

K Douglas

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Jan 5, 2005
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You are the one who brought it up
I stated a fact and you called me racist. You brought up the race card fella. Imbecile.
 

fuji

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PR is horrendously undemocratic and results in poor government. Coalitions tend to form towards the extremes so you get more radicalized policies that are further on average from what voters want.
 

K Douglas

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Reading stuff like this just affirms my belief in Conservative principles. Too bad many others can't see the forest for the trees.

Subject: Why I Will Not Vote Liberal
SAW THIS, POSTED BY A CANADIAN SOLDIER: More about why I won’t vote liberal . . . I find that many lefties are concerned with $90,000 paid back to taxpayers, yet unconcerned that one Liberal senator owes more then all the conservative senators combined, Mac Harb. Or how about Liberal election fraud. A couple elections ago ad-scam was the biggest financial and election scandal in the G8. Yet you still support the Liberals like Ralph Goodale who were involved in it. There were no criminal charges. No senators other then the Conservative senators have been forced to pay back money. Tom Mulcair misappropriated $3,000,000 and you have heard not a peep. You never heard much about Liberals already breaking election law at advance polls for this election. Trudeau skipped out on his job in the house of commons to give paid speeches to charities despite being a multi-millionaire. He has never been employed full time but you want him to run the country. Tom Mulcaire pledged to ban the bulk export of Canadian water. Harper has already done that. He pledged to get rid of the senate, which he cannot do. Similarly he has sworn to get national day care which requires provincial agreement, and the provinces have said no already.
Trudeau is planning to spend our way out of debt. Ridiculous. He has pledged to create a false economy by spending money on infrastructure which we cannot afford and which artificially supports industry for short term job growth before that industry collapses when funding runs out.
Despite having the best cared for veterans in the world, and despite the Harper government being the first in my lifetime to properly equip the military, you think the Liberals will do a better job; the same liberals that denied us heavy armour in Afghanistan (where they sent us). They also denied us heavy weapons, mothballed our artillery, sold our tanks and heavy helicopters and rewrote the veterans charter which you blame Harper for.
Harper bought us transport planes, trucks, weapons, new tanks, heavy lift helos, artillery, uniforms, ammunition, took the handcuffs off us in Afghanistan and brought us home when we completed our mandate. But you call him a warmonger.
Trudeau and Mulcair both want to get out of the fight with ISIS. They want to negotiate and give aid. According to Trudeau the Boston bombing happened because “someone didn't feel included.” I too want change. I want people to stop being consumers and start being citizens. I want people to stop being citizens of convenience. I want people to get a hand up, not a hand out. I want us to fight alongside those who need our help against forces of evil like ISIS, al Shabbab, Boko Haram, and al Qaeda, all of whom actually exist and, believe it or not, want you dead. I believe in immigration in a controlled manner and enabling others to stay home and sort out their own country rather then importing their problems to ours. If they won’t fight for their home they won’t fight for ours. I’m 43 years old, I pay my taxes, I’ve been unemployed and never collected a dime I didn't earn. I always pounded the pavement to get another job so I could make my own way. I’ve been in 23 countries. I’ve served my nation for 25 years. I’ve been in synagogues, mosques and churches, prayed at the worlds holiest sites but give no allegiance to those support groups for the weak of faith that you call religion. I believe in free enterprise. I have friends of every colour and lost many of them while fighting alongside them. I have dined with princes and gone days without food. I believe in free enterprise, not union mob rule. I believe in earning rights not demanding them. I believe in standing up for what you believe in but if you break the law to do so, then facing the consequences. I don’t call 911 when my family is at risk; I may inform the authorities later though. I don’t think prisoners should have the right to vote, but the left does (and Trudeau Sr basically ensured it). I say Merry Christmas, not Happy Holidays. If you wish me a Happy Eid, Kwanza or Hannukah I will thank you. My family didn’t come to this country—we made this country. I think there’s a difference between schooling and education. I will never vote Liberal. Part of the reason is that I will not support any group of voters that refers to any democratically elected leader of this country as a dictator or that compares him to Hitler. I am tired of Liberals saying im a bigot because of how I vote. I would never degrade them in that manner, though I've defended and secured their right to vote. If you don’t like my stance, fine. If you can’t have an intelligent discussion about policy then you shouldn’t vote. If you hate me, fine—I’ve been hated by better. Im a Conservative and these are the reasons why. Argue that !
 

onthebottom

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Frankfooter

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Reading stuff like this just affirms my belief in Conservative principles. Too bad many others can't see the forest for the trees.

Subject: Why I Will Not Vote Liberal My family didn’t come to this country—we made this country.
As in colonized it and took part in the native genocide?
 
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