Less lethal guns

[Phil C. McNasty]

So I just heard about less lethal guns. Its the latest thing in self-defense.

They apparently are 100% legal in all CDN provinces.
I might buy one. Looks like a cool toy.

Also great for SP's if they have troublesome customers

Byrna Canada | The Best Home & Self Defense Products

The best defense products available are the Byrna SD and LE. Legal in Canada without a license or background check, Byrna's are non-lethal self-defense weapons that fire rounds up to 60 feet using CO2. Save lives without the risk of taking one. Empower yourself today!

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They also come in assault rifles

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

 

[xmontrealer]

Wouldn't the tear gas and pepper capsules be illegal in Canada?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Wouldn't the tear gas and pepper capsules be illegal in Canada?

I dont think so. They come with or without the pepper spray.

Google Search

Even cops are using them now

SIU investigating Toronto police after less-lethal shotgun was fired at Scarborough man ‘multiple times’

The province’s police watchdog is investigating after a Toronto police officer allegedly fired a “less-lethal shotgun at a man in Scarborough" Friday night.

www.cp24.com

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

This one is my favourite. Looks like a real gun too

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

That's the one I was considering. If you toftt I'd love a review. lol

Just a FYI. You cannot carry it concealed in your pocket or jacket.
And you can only use it as self-defense.
But I think you're allowed to carry it in your car's glove compartment.

I'm a bit skeptical when Byrna says it incapacitates an assailant for 30 minutes.
But it only has to work for 5-10 minutes, so you can take off from the area while that sucker is in agonizing pain

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

If you shoot someone they're gonna think its a real gun they got shot with.
Then you give them a 2nd warning, the next shot will be between your eyes.
Guaranteed he's gonna back down

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Exactly, I'm not trying to lay anyone out. Just want to create an opportunity to de-escalate an attack and get out of the situation. I think in most cases it would be very effective for this purpose however there are definitely situations where it would be ineffective. If someone has enough drugs in their system even real bullets won't stop them.

Hit him in the nutsack and I think he's definitely going down, drugs or no drugs

 

[ShootNScoot]

Before anyone thinks that you can use this as “self-defence”… you might want to do some reading on the criminal code.

There is so much ambiguity with the “self-defence” argument that you will find yourself in cuffs faster than you can pull a trigger.

Example: Telling a cop that you’re carrying a pocket knife for opening boxes or general utility… perfectly legal. Tell a cop you’re carrying it for self-defence… illegal under the criminal code.

Even pointing a BB gun at someone in “self-defence” is illegal under the criminal code

“Self-defence” protects the assailant more than it protects the victim.

 

[bazokajoe]

Let a cop see you pointing that at someone and you'll get a dose of leadacillin.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Telling a cop that you’re carrying a pocket knife for opening boxes or general utility… perfectly legal. Tell a cop you’re carrying it for self-defence… illegal under the criminal code.

Even pointing a BB gun at someone in “self-defence” is illegal under the criminal code

“Self-defence” protects the assailant more than it protects the victim

You would have to get your story ready beforehand.

Like for example tell the cop that you carry your less lethal gun with you because you're going to the shooting range.
And then some drunk, homeless guy just attacked you randomly for no reason.

I would think at that point you can use it for self-defense.
If you have no criminal record, I highly doubt a judge would throw you in jail for that

 

[superstar_88]

Make sure you're not using one of these "less lethal" guns on someone carrying a real gun.

 

[ShootNScoot]

Make sure you're not using one of these "less lethal" guns on someone carrying a real gun.

Pretty much the only way you’re getting out of this without a charge!!

 

[skiierelite]

It's muzzle velocity is only 330 fps. That's not very powerful.

 

[JohnHenry]

It's muzzle velocity is only 330 fps. That's not very powerful.

Depends upon the weight of the bullet.

 

[superstar_88]

Pretty much the only way you’re getting out of this without a charge!!

If you survive without getting shot sure!!

 

[Robert Mugabe]

So it's a "fun gun" not a stun gun.

Kind of similar to a pittbull with no teeth. Which I approve of.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So it's a "fun gun" not a stun gun

Let me shoot you in the face, and let's see how much fun we have

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It's muzzle velocity is only 330 fps. That's not very powerful

But it can do a bit of damage. Especially if you get hit in the face.
Here's screenshots of test videos.
The first is the mark it leaves in wood.
The 2nd is the bruises it does to the body

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Let me shoot you in the face, and let's see how much fun we have

Just be sure the other guy doesn't have a serious gun.