Leafs traded for Bernier, what do you think?

[sasemohan123]

Breaking news:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...-jonathan-bernier-from-the-los-angeles-kings/

I like the trade, it gives Reimer a REAL healthy competition and the Leafs a better back-up (or a new #1) than Scriven. We gave up Frattin, who had a very nice streak in the beginning of last season, but faltered after coming back from injury. Second round pick also given away.

Over all I think Nonis has done well.

 

[saxon]

Interesting, but Bernier has little playing experience and has only been a back up at the NHL level. Will depend how much more he develops and if he can handle playing in back of a poor defense. The Kings had a much better concept of team defense something he won't have in Toronto. How many times this past season were the leafs badly outshot? Also , how many games was Reimer left hanging out to dry by his defense? Then add the pressure of playing in Toronto, a lot different than Tinseltown where hockey is always buried at the back of the sports page. Only time will tell how he makes out but the Leafs must feel its a good deal or they wouldn't have made it.

 

[gcostanza]

Scrivens' ceiling is a decent backup.
Frattin's ceiling is 2nd line winger.
A 2nd round draft choice is a crapshoot to even play in the league, let alone become an impact player.

Bernier's ceiling, is as a very good starter. The Kings saw enough to draft him in the 1st round, 11th overall.

I like the trade as of today.

 

[saxon]

I think this deal means Luongo will never wear a leaf uniform.

 

[sasemohan123]

I think this deal means Luongo will never wear a leaf uniform.

Leafs' forbid: Luongo, what an idea. I have my recurring nightmare when HIS "sucked" name comes up now and then.

The Leafs traded for an unproven but high-potential goalie, given up a fair bit in Frattin though. Fratting has upsides, but he is fragile. Scriven is alright but I agree that he would seem to be stuck in the back-up role. Not to doubt Reimer, but he still has to improve in a lot of areas: puck-handling, rebounds, top-shelf...with the right motivation I hope he'll improve steadily as he has done so far

Reimer is a very calm and level headed guy, he'll most likely take this as a challenge, not a non-confidence vote from the management. He'll rise to the challenge and from what I heard about Bernier he is also a confident and strong-headed guy too. This could prove to be a very good situation for the team, with two competent yet un-proven to compete against each other for the top job. Unlike bringing in Luongo or Kripusoff, Reimer has the job to lose, for now.

The Leafs still have to sign Bernier to a contract though.

 

[Cypher]

Scrivens' ceiling is a decent backup.
Frattin's ceiling is 2nd line winger.
A 2nd round draft choice is a crapshoot to even play in the league, let alone become an impact player.

Bernier's ceiling, is as a very good starter. The Kings saw enough to draft him in the 1st round, 11th overall.

I like the trade as of today.

I can't dispute your analysis. It does sound logical... on paper. Yet somehow it still feels like a lot. Do we have any other up and coming winger prospect ready to take the next step? Frattin showed flashes, but the concussion clearly set him back a year or so.

But it's not even that that bugs me. It's the feeling that for the last ten years, the Leafs have been dealing assets trying to shore up the goaltending. Including dealing the asset - Rask - that was the answer to the problem all along. I hope this is the end of this cycle for a while. Assuming Bernier is the answer, how long is Reimer going to be content as a backup after being the guy for all of last year? Is he the next asset on his way out of town?

 

[saxon]

Reimer and Bernier will do battle to be the starter. Leafs must first sign Bernier to a new contract as I believe his current one is now up. Also, how will he adjust going from a team with possibly the best team defense in the league to a team that has a defense like a leaky bucket. He will face a lot more shots and no doubt be left to fend for himself most nights as the Leafs have a defense that doesn't like to play defense.

 

[hangover13]

I can't believe the Leafs had to agree to pay $500,000 of Frattin and Scriven's salary.

Also, I don't know how Reimer will take this as I see it is a slap in his face after taking to the Leafs to the playoffs and to game 7 against Boston

 

[Cypher]

I can't believe the Leafs had to agree to pay $500,000 of Frattin and Scriven's salary.

Does this count against the cap? This is sounding worse by the minute...

 

[saxon]

The leafs must have felt this was a good deal or they wouldn't have made it. I'm not sure of the details regarding the money but if you don't like the terms then you don't make the trade.

 

[Rockslinger]

I have mixed feelings about this trade. The Leafs already have a #1 goalie. What they really need is a #1 centre and also a Subban rushing type defenseman.

 

[harryass]

Leafs made a good trade, didn't give much in return. Scriven is only a backup at best. Frattin is really a third or fourth line player.

 

[Bargnani_]

I guess we can assume Dave Nonis is no longer a interm GM ? If not I wouldn't want a intern GM trading draft choices away .

 

[Dawgger]

Good trade. First it should eliminate the thought of trading for Luongo. The Leafs will Have 2 young goalies battling for the #1 spot. Hopefully it will make them both better. They didn't give up a ton to get him, all positive to me.

 

[Bargnani_]

Good trade. First it should eliminate the thought of trading for Luongo. The Leafs will Have 2 young goalies battling for the #1 spot. Hopefully it will make them both better. They didn't give up a ton to get him, all positive to me.

Yes that is the best part of the deal cause we can put to rest the Luongo talk ...

 

[sasemohan123]

ALL the player involved are young so the true evaluation can only happen in a few years time. Right now, the Leafs are addressing a need (some might say it is not an immediate need) in goalies depth trumping over the Phillies, Wilds...Think of what those teams have offered for Bernier! Also it is only realistic to give up someone to get some one we desire.

After game 7 with Boston, who did not wish that we have a goalie who COULD have stolen another 10 min for the Buds? The question is always there if Nonis did not make this trade, every time we see a hiccup, a fumbling behind the goal with the puck, a big rebound... There is no doubt in my mind that Reimer has done a tremendous job last season, but there are many areas he CAN improve upon.

There is rumor that Reimer can be part of of another package going else where, and a vet goalie coming here... It is an exciting time for the Leafs on the trade front, and they simply CAN NOT sit tight through it, but be active, super active to improve the team if the deals are right.

The up coming couple of weeks will be fun to watch, the signings, the trades, the draft, then UFAs...Our aim should be a good C, D.

 

[Rockslinger]

and a vet goalie coming here...

We need a #1 CENTRE.

 

[sasemohan123]

We need a #1 CENTRE.

Unless there is one in the offering from a team with no cap room, there is no such animal out there in the free agent market. There is a rumor involving Edmonton, but is he a number 1?:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-leafs-have-eyes-on-oilers-gagner/

Don't forget: what will be the asking price? People already moaning the lost of Frattin, Scriven (and the 2 nd round pick, LOL) plus 500 grands, what will be the noise if Gardiner is the price?

Very exciting time, just because I believe this time we have a management team which meant what it said: if there is a deal to be made to better the team, we'll do it. There is nobody who is untouchable. Nice to hear the commitment form Buds' brass.

Sport business is a cold place, we as fan appreciate Frattin for his contribution, Reimer for all he has done... but when the time and the deal is right, Nonis HAS TO pull the trigger, it is cold but he has a job to do: make the Leafs better.

 

[Starsearcher]

I don't believe giving up 3 players for 1 "could be" good goalie is a good trade. Reimer proved himself to be a valuable commodity to the Leafs and now will sit down and watch this upcoming year. It is a cold business but I don't see a huge improvement putting Bernier in.

 

[sasemohan123]

I don't believe giving up 3 players for 1 "could be" good goalie is a good trade. Reimer proved himself to be a valuable commodity to the Leafs and now will sit down and watch this upcoming year. It is a cold business but I don't see a huge improvement putting Bernier in.

The hype out there leads me to believe that Bernier's potential is a star goalie, while others we have in the system are best as good.

In any trade there is an element of risk, the bigger the "promise" the more risk you HAVE TO take. If Nonis did not go for Bernier, there are quite a few teams interested. I would not think of number of players involved because: LA has been keen on Frattin, Scriven included at a low price serves their need, haft a mil counted against Leafs' cap is a factor too, the draft is a lotto at second round anyway.

It all boils down to the huge potential of Bernier to be #1 for many years to come.