Charlotte the above puts it quite well for what is the actual situation in both the U.S.A. and Canada.
late term abortion
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You mean weeks since we are not discussing elephants
LOL, that's true... it's Friday.
Fine. If you want to talk about the US, how about responding to the comments below instead of just parroting Trump.
Perhaps it's only the hospitals who won't go passed 2nd trimester. Abortion clinics, maybe as they aren't regulated as well
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and shouldn't be shamed for it.
There is no perfect solution for this, but I think allowing abortions right up until before birth is the least worst option. I say "least worst" instead of best, because it's still pretty horrible. Right at conception you can consider the embryo its own separate life form, with all the potential of any human being. It can be rough on the father as he can have no say in whether his potential daughter or son sees the light of day. On the flip side, carrying to term an unwanted child can obviously be rough on the mother. Like I said, there's no perfect solution, not even a good one. But as it tends to affect the mother more than anyone else...that's what tips it in my opinion. But only just.
Of course its not a mans decision for a woman to have an abortion. But to say men aren't entitled to an opinion about the creation of life is ridiculous. But its perfectly ok for a woman to decide if a man lives the rest of his life with the tip of his dick cut off. Gotta love equality.
huckfinn
My book has been banned from schools.
I think there are two separate issues here really....the one you describe Charlotte, and the choice to abort the child for other reasons.
I do agree that in the case where the fetus can endanger the life of the mother, a choice needs to be made. Even some times in the case of rape.
IMHO, other abortions should not be conducted.....the 'woman's choice' came when she chose to have sex with out proper protection. Yes, perhaps she is taking it, or the condom broke, but its like driving a car without accepting responsibility for the risks.
The rule in the past was if the baby was at risk kill the mother. Now the mother has the right to try to live and sacrifice the baby Late term abortions are typically this kind of choice.
Men do get dragged in on paying for a baby.
A man might want the option to withdraw from fathering the baby too.
Let face facts here.
this is not about late term abortion.
not really mothers health
those issues are obvious and understandable.
But vast vast vast majority of abortions...at anytime.... Are done for convenience...birth control so to speak
this is not about late term abortion.
not really mothers health
those issues are obvious and understandable.
But vast vast vast majority of abortions...at anytime.... Are done for convenience...birth control so to speak
huckfinn
My book has been banned from schools.
I agree with your comments about rape, drugs etc etc., and the responsibility does lie on both parties.
Wrt religious and boys convincing girls they can't get pregnant the first time, we aren't living in the dark ages. There is so much information available to inform people about sex, pregnancy etc. The internet has a lot of information on it - and that information is available to religious folk too.
Kids are learning about sex long before 14 now. It is part of school curriculum. My gf's children are 8 and 10, and are both learning a little bit about sex.
It may sound harsh, but why is it the child's fault the mom couldn't afford birth control? And, there is assistance available for low income to get drugs too.
I personally see it as another form of birth control, as fmahovalich posted. I am not suggesting all abortion is wrong, and don't agree with Trump's position.
huckfinn
My book has been banned from schools.
I have never advocated putting all the responsibility on the woman. It takes two and both need to take responsibility. I know you're thinking 'what if the guy doesn't take responsibility?' - that is the risk the woman accepted.
I do understand your points. But these people have chosen to have sex, and like getting in a car, doing drugs, or smoking, there can be consequences. To say the government is closing this and that is passing the buck.
Its just my opinion, but people need to take responsibility when they willingly have sex. If you can't accept the responsibility - don't do it.
However, I am well aware of situations fifty or sixty years ago, in which expecting parents deliberately chose not to have their child in a better rated Roman Catholic Hospital because it was the official policy of such hospitals to always attempt to save the child at the expense of the mother.
Lest there be the slightest doubt I am not saying that this was (or is) a simple choice
Further it should be stressed that in both the U.S.A. and Canada third trimester abortions are exceedingly rare
huckfinn
My book has been banned from schools.
I agree, but some would argue the fetus has rights too.....but that's a whole other discussion.
I am not forcing anything on anyone. I simply stated my opinion. If you read my posts, I don't disagree with all abortion - just the ones that are a means of birth control.
It doesn't resonate with most men, because women have more to lose than the male does. He can simply walk away, and she is left with the legacy.
Somehow, men need to be held more responsible for their actions in this regard.
1) Basing your opinion on 'perhaps' and 'maybe'?
2) Abortion clinics in Canada are very well regulated.
In general abortions are a poor option but the alternatives are often worse. Canada has reasonable restrictions on abortions to take the plus and minus into consideration.
No I'm basing my opinion on personal experience. An ex girlfriend tried to have one done at the hospital and they wouldn't touch her passed 16 weeks, Morgan Tyler took her.
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