Yet according to most western law, the only responsibility a man has is to give the mom a few bucks (if the courts can track him down). It is the woman who has the vast majority of the responsibility.
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Yet according to most western law, the only responsibility a man has is to give the mom a few bucks (if the courts can track him down). It is the woman who has the vast majority of the responsibility.
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Further it should be stressed that in both the U.S.A. and Canada third trimester abortions are exceedingly rare
Something the OP doesn't want to discuss.
No I'm basing my opinion on personal experience. An ex girlfriend tried to have one done at the hospital and they wouldn't touch her passed 16 weeks, Morgan Tyler took her.
If you took the time to look into it instead of relying on perhaps and maybe, you would know that may have been the choice of the individual doctor not to perform the abortion. Canadian law says doctors can choose not to as long as they don't stand in the way of the abortion. Even Catholic hospitals in Canada don't have to do any abortions as long as the give a referral to someone who will.
Abortion clinics are just as highly regulated as hospitals as both are staffed by doctors held under the same laws and professional conduct. Even some doctors who support a woman's choice may prefer a clinic do the abortion because they are the ones with experience (like a podiatrist is legally allowed to do brain surgery but will smartly pass the referral to a specialist).
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Yet according to most western law, the only responsibility a man has is to give the mom a few bucks (if the courts can track him down). It is the woman who has the vast majority of the responsibility.
I don't know how....whether its a paternity test or something, men do need to step up in these cases.
Like usual, you missed the part where I said, I have PERSONAL experience, are you speaking from personal experience?If you took the time to look into it instead of relying on perhaps and maybe, you would know that may have been the choice of the individual doctor not to perform the abortion. Canadian law says doctors can choose not to as long as they don't stand in the way of the abortion. Even Catholic hospitals in Canada don't have to do any abortions as long as the give a referral to someone who will.
Abortion clinics are just as highly regulated as hospitals as both are staffed by doctors held under the same laws and professional conduct. Even some doctors who support a woman's choice may prefer a clinic do the abortion because they are the ones with experience (like a podiatrist is legally allowed to do brain surgery but will smartly pass the referral to a specialist).
Like usual, you missed the part where I said, I have PERSONAL experience, are you speaking from personal experience?
Personal opinion that omits the relevant details.
Canadian law says doctors don't have to perform abortions as long as they make a referral to someone who will. Your claims of abortion clinics being less regulated is just flat out wrong.
And yes, I am speaking from personal experience. Years ago a female friend was upset because her doctor didn't want to do an abortion and gave her a referral. She was angry at her doctor and it sounded fishy to me so I looked into it.
You may have a point, but in our situation, she came on her period the first 2 months and didn't realize she was as far along as she was and the hospital wouldn't do it, which was why we had to go to a clinic.Personal opinion that omits the relevant details.
Canadian law says doctors don't have to perform abortions as long as they make a referral to someone who will. Your claims of abortion clinics being less regulated is just flat out wrong.
And yes, I am speaking from personal experience. Years ago a female friend was upset because her doctor didn't want to do an abortion and gave her a referral. She was angry at her doctor and it sounded fishy to me so I looked into it.
Not to distract from the larger point, but it is typically far from "a few bucks." Far more typically is is a fair percentage of income until the child turns 18, or in some jurisdictions until they graduate from University or Technical College.Yet according to most western law, the only responsibility a man has is to give the mom a few bucks (if the courts can track him down). It is the woman who has the vast majority of the responsibility.
Yet according to most western law, the only responsibility a man has is to give the mom a few bucks (if the courts can track him down). It is the woman who has the vast majority of the responsibility.
If the courts were willing to give men the chance at custody then perhaps that would change. But face the fact that only very rarely does the guy have even a shot. And can easily be denied access even when granted.
Absentee father's should be gone after. But the system is really skewed right now.
Is it true that in the states that allow late term abortion they are selling the babies to labs? If this is the case there is money to be made for clinics that do abortions and thats just wrong. They make money on the procedure and then the fetus becomes a bit of extra profit as well? This changes the outlook and puts more dollar signs in the eyes of doctors that have the will power to remove a fetus. What if there are some evil demented money hungry doctors and clinics that would tell a woman the pregnancy should be aborted because she is having some difficulties, but in actuality its just some common complications that really arent life threatening?
Id be ok with the fetus being donated for medical science, but putting a price tag for a profit that should be outlawed. Monetizing these unborn children is a bounty hunt for clinics.
Id be ok with the fetus being donated for medical science, but putting a price tag for a profit that should be outlawed. Monetizing these unborn children is a bounty hunt for clinics.
If you had read the post 'the colors of which are beautiful' you would know that in fact there are but four clinics in the entire U.S.A. which will perform third trimester abortions.Is it true that in the states that allow late term abortion they are selling the babies to labs?
As for what you are actually discussing: second trimester abortions and the whole Center for Medical Progress/David Daleiden attacks on Planned Parenthood read the following:
http://graphics.latimes.com/planned-parenthood-videos/
I love this very ignorant argument people just rehash over and over againI'm sorry but this is a very ignorant thing to say, and with a statement so blunt and short you are precluding any other consideration, complication and issue. What about in cases of saving the mother's life when a baby is dying or cannot survive and she is also facing health risks? Or do you think doctors should let both the baby and mother die if there are complications from pregnancy to be "fair"? Often the patient is not going to have the final say, doctors are in the business of saving lives, and they will save whichever is most viable and do their best.
Very few pregnancies threaten the mothers life or health
This is a total copout used by a very small group of miscreants who seem to think an abortion should be a right
Like the baby they conceived in a drunken club night has no rights eh
Most of these women would be horrible parents and our orphanages are way overcrowded so forcing every basterd to term is probably not a good thing
But as I spelled out very simply for you in first post; murder is murder
Especially in this day and age when birth control methods are readily available
Let face facts here.
But vast vast vast majority of abortions...at anytime.... Are done for convenience...birth control so to speak
Well even in Canada + USA we have certain ethnic groups aborting fetuses because the mother happened to conceive the wrong sex
China, Korea, and India have terribly high numbers in recent years
It has gotten so bad they won't even disclose your babies sex to you anymore!
So don't give me BS about "medical reasons"
For every 1 real med reason there are like 1000 gender reasons
It is totally out of hand and an abuse of the process
But when Trump says it we get the left wing nut jobs crawling out of the woodwork, despite the fact we have studies in Canada that show same un-PC stats
No one really does this because it's a stupid thing to do. Women who want an abortion aren't going to wait until the third trimester. They are almost always going to get it done before anyone can even see they are pregnant.
This issue is raised for one reason only:
By pro life advocates who thinks they can chip away at abortion rights by using it as a wedge issue. They want a precedent set that killing a fetus is a crime so that they can lever that into a general ban on abortion.
Given how polarized the abortion issue is no debate supposedly about late term abortion is really a debate about late term abortion. It's a debate about abortion, period. About whether abortion can be considered murder or whether it's a mother's right.
Objectively there isn't a problem to solve, we don't have legions of women getting late term abortions.
What we have are legions of pro life people trying to use this very rare situation to push their total opposition to all abortion.
This issue is raised for one reason only:
By pro life advocates who thinks they can chip away at abortion rights by using it as a wedge issue. They want a precedent set that killing a fetus is a crime so that they can lever that into a general ban on abortion.
Given how polarized the abortion issue is no debate supposedly about late term abortion is really a debate about late term abortion. It's a debate about abortion, period. About whether abortion can be considered murder or whether it's a mother's right.
Objectively there isn't a problem to solve, we don't have legions of women getting late term abortions.
What we have are legions of pro life people trying to use this very rare situation to push their total opposition to all abortion.
Ok but the trimesters span a large amount of development time for the baby. A fetus is viable after 24 weeks, second trimester runs all the way up to 27 weeks. How many clinics in the u.s do second trimester abortions?If you had read the post 'the colors of which are beautiful' you would know that in fact there are but four clinics in the entire U.S.A. which will perform third trimester abortions.
Im all for a womans right to abort her pregnancy, but like I said after the fetus is viable which is late second trimester, the only reason the baby should be aborted is for health reasons. And most definitely should not be sold, but only donated to labs. Putting a price on body parts of a viable fetus that can legally be aborted turns abortion clinics into bounty hunters for a black market.
That story is interesting how two reporters went under cover to exploit the illegal market for baby parts in a federally funded clinic and wind up getting charged themselves.
Very tragic and im glad she got a second opinion, if she didn't get that second opinion she would be stuck with that "what if the baby was fine" in her head it would have drove her crazy. Everyone should get a second opinion, there are some shitty doctors out there.^ What a tragic story.
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