late term abortion

[italianguy74]

I was a bit surprised(forgive my ignorance) to hear that an abortion can be performed within just days of delivery. I always assumed an abortion was done within the first term, but after full term (39 weeks) abortion was out of the question and if the baby must come out it was by cesarean. Im all for a womans decision to abort her pregnancy its her body her decision. But if she carries the baby through the full term stage and the baby is fully developed but not due can she decide to abort the pregnancy even if she and the baby are perfectly healthy?
I mean if the child is fully developed and premature but can still begin its life outside the mother what is the difference between killing a baby in the operating room and one inside an incubator? One is an abortion the other is murder because they are in different rooms.

Are you for, or against abortion? or at what stage should a line be crossed where abortion is no longer an option?

 

[Jiffy Pop]

In Canada we have no rules on late term abortions. If you can find a doctor to perform it you can get it done. People can not really bring this subject up anymore or you will be shot down. As for me I am in for abortion but not late term. Where to draw the line I am not sure but the last few weeks before date is to late unless it is an emergency.

 

[basketcase]

... If you can find a doctor to perform it ....

I think that's the balance in Canadian law. With the medical profession so highly regulated you likely won't find a doctor and facility willing to unless there is a major risk to the mother.

 

[italianguy74]

I have never been pregnant myself, nor had an abortion, but it honestly makes me feel very sick that a few people are seriously misinformed on this subject and talking about it like women are going out there and having abortions for fun, or late term abortions "just because".

My friend wasn't even allowed to have her uterus removed until she was over 30, even though she was celiac, never wanted children, and had abnormal cells on her cervix and already had part of it removed because doctors refused to "in case" she changed her mind so that she wouldn't turn around and sue them. So while you may "want" to have a serious surgery (not talking about plastic surgery/cosmetic stuff) you really need to have a good reason, and find a doctor to agree with you, or it's not happening.

Why is this a touchy subject that makes you feel very sick? Nobody here has said women get abortions just for fun, but the reality is late stage abortions does happen in at least 7 countries. It is legal in Canada but you're right doctors aren't likely to do the procedure if there is no health concerns. American doctors on the other hand will do it at any stage if the price is right, but that is only in 10 states.

 

[Aardvark154]

According to the Washington Post Fact Checker (which several other fact checkers agreed with):

According to the Guttmacher Institute, in the U.S.A., most abortions take place early in the pregnancy. One-third take place at six weeks or pregnancy or earlier; 89 percent occur in the first 12 weeks.

Only 1.2 percent of abortions—about 12,000 a year– take place after 21 weeks. (The Supreme Court has held that states may not prohibit abortions “necessary to preserve the life or health” of the mother.)

However, the Guttmacher Institute states that 43 states already prohibit most abortions after a certain point in pregnancy, such as fetal viability, after a certain number of weeks, or during the third trimester.

Hence this is already a rare procedure that is prohibited in much of the country. In fact, there are only four physicians in the United States who are even willing to perform third trimester abortions.

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Hence, this was a statement by which Donald Trump further alienated women, the basis for which wasn't factual.

 

[basketcase]

... but the reality is late stage abortions does happen in at least 7 countries. ....merican doctors on the other hand...

Except your diatribe is about laws in Canada where doctors are prohibited from doing so without medical cause.

 

[italianguy74]

Its a very different fate for unborn children just south of the border. They are a like a commodity there.

 

[italianguy74]

Except your diatribe is about laws in Canada where doctors are prohibited from doing so without medical cause.

my what? Do I sound like captain kirk? why are you talking to me like spock?

 

[Aardvark154]

Its a very different fate for unborn children just south of the border. They are a like a commodity there.

Have you read post 6?

 

[italianguy74]

Have you read post 6?

No but its colors are beautiful

 

[basketcase]

my what? Do I sound like captain kirk? why are you talking to me like spock?

Sorry, I'll stop using big words I learned in high school if it helps you understand. I agree, it isn't fair to people who haven't had that level of privilege.

Why you go ape shit about Canadian law with US claims.



Besides, not only is it illegal in the vast majority of the US (except where the mother's life is at risk) it is constitutionally the jurisdiction of the State, not the Federal government.

 

[Insidious Von]

Holy snappin arseholes Batman! Why is this being brought up?

It's absolutely ridiculous. No woman in her right mind would abort a child she's nurtured within her for the duration. This is one of those "crown of thorns" issues that is holding the USA back. America shouldn't be continuously hitting itself over head with a hammer over women's rights, it has bigger problems on it's plate. As for Canada it's a very moot point, give it up dude.

Italianguy74 you make me ashamed of our shared heritage.

 

[italianguy74]

Please QUOTE me if you have a problem with what I said. You guys are confusing the fuck out of me. Your all insane seriously. For starters pull up the first quote I even mentioned canada in this thread. What the fuck did I say about canada?

ill wait...

 

[fmahovalich]

My thought.....

If a baby is viable outside the womb..... In other words an attempt would be made in a birthing center to help the fetus along and live ( so later term ish) .... Then that is the line IN MOST cases after which an abortion ( killing the fetus) is not allowed...except in severe health risk.

A woman should have the right to rid herself of a fetus.....but if the fetus can live outside the womb.... It simply goes, like other babies born alive, for adoption.

The aborting mother is not burdened with a child..... And waiting barren couples receive a baby.

 

[oldjones]

Please QUOTE me if you have a problem with what I said. You guys are confusing the fuck out of me. Your all insane seriously. For starters pull up the first quote I even mentioned canada in this thread. What the fuck did I say about canada?

ill wait...

Sorry, but this is a Toronto Escort Review Board, so naturally we expect people to make it clear when they are NOT referring to Canada or Toronto. Now you have, and those who want to discuss US abortion law with you can have at it.

 

[italianguy74]

My apologies I had the astounding impression it was Trigger Expertly Relentless Bitching...I was way off. lol

 

[huckfinn]

I am sure I am going to get slammed for my own beliefs......I think the choice was made before having sex, and I don't agree with abortion. There are so many reliable forms of birth control, there is really little excuse for an unwanted pregnancy. You play the game, you take the chances.

Someone I know is a lab technologist, and they get something they call POC (product of conception). They bring the aborted fetus in the lab in a pail, and inspect it to make sure it was done properly.

One of the things the lab staff find really disturbing, is they already have fingers and toes etc. She said its really horrible.

 

[SuperCharge]

I think it would be very hard pressed to find any doctor who would perform a late pregnancy abortion here in Canada. From my understanding that is not the case in the US. I think most stop the procedure in Canada at the 3 month mark. 2nd trimester abortions are extremely rare in Canada. I am pro-choice and I agree that a woman should have the right to make her own medical decisions as its her body, but there must be some restrictions put in place where there is a cut off time to how far along you can go.

 

[italianguy74]

Your second posting in this thread you mentioned Canada.

Right it's the first and only thing...and i wanted someone to point out that particular sentence. Because I thought I was repeating and agreeing with the previous 3 posts. Even when trying to agree its impossible not to be attacked by a lefty.

 

[ElCapitain]

2nd trimester abortions are extremely rare in Canada.

I don't think this is true. My understanding is that Canada actually has a reasonably high rate of abortions in the 18-21 month timeframe that corresponds to the 18-20 month point at which the gender of the fetus is reliably detectable by ultrasound, due to demographic/ethnographic factors.

It is true that there is very little in the third trimester in Canada due to ethical restrictions imposed by doctors.