John Cena apologizes to China after referring to Taiwan as a country

[JeanGary Diablo]

This is a bit off topic, but the very notion of "countries" is very much a post-WW2 concept that crystalized with the creation of the UN.

If you went back to the turn of the 20th century, you wouldn't hear the word "country" very much when referring to sovereign nations. At that time, the globe was covered with empires, kingdoms, dominions, republics, sultanates, principalities, overseas territories and colonies.

It really wasn't until the 1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States that a consensus was even established on what makes a country a "country". The concept of "countries" became more clear with the founding of the United Nations in 1945.

 

[brualex33]

This is the same Chinese government that threw a shit fit when some low-level NBA exec with the San Antonio Spurs made a (seemingly) innocuous Tweet about supporting Freedom for Hong Kong.

The CCP flipped out; and then the NBA Commissioner publicly reprimanded the exec; and then he had to walk his comments back; and then LeBron James got dragged into it right in the middle of a Chinese promotional tour.

The CCP are a bunch of thugs.

It was Houston, and it was the GM.

 

[wigglee]

Cena is sucking mainland cock to save his career.

 

[K Douglas]

Wow, times have changed.

I have no time for people who sell out their dignity. Weak human.

 

[WyattEarp]

What is and isn't a country is partially decided by whether other people say is or isn't a country.

You mean like almost everyone living there.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Anyone remember when Daryl Morey, GM of the Houston Rockets tweeted:


"Fight for Freedom, Stand with Hong Kong."

Yes. In fact, I posted it in this very thread.
Post #16.

This is the same Chinese government that threw a shit fit when some low-level NBA exec with the San Antonio Spurs made a (seemingly) innocuous Tweet about supporting Freedom for Hong Kong.

The CCP flipped out; and then the NBA Commissioner publicly reprimanded the exec; and then he had to walk his comments back; and then LeBron James got dragged into it right in the middle of a Chinese promotional tour.

The CCP are a bunch of thugs.

 

[WyattEarp]

This is a bit off topic, but the very notion of "countries" is very much a post-WW2 concept that crystalized with the creation of the UN.

If you went back to the turn of the 20th century, you wouldn't hear the word "country" very much when referring to sovereign nations. At that time, the globe was covered with empires, kingdoms, dominions, republics, sultanates, principalities, overseas territories and colonies.

It really wasn't until the 1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States that a consensus was even established on what makes a country a "country". The concept of "countries" became more clear with the founding of the United Nations in 1945.

To have a working. effective democracy, you kind of have to have boundaries that encapsulates some intangible ideals and values. I would say the notion of "countries" went hand and hand with the rise of democracy in the world after the great wars.

Before 1800, traditional countries were bound together by language, culture and a monarch. That bind was sometimes strong and sometimes weak.

 

[WyattEarp]

Cena is sucking mainland cock to save his career.

Dangerous shit for him and all of us because I'm not sure the giant entertainment and media companies won't quietly punish him for his transgression.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Dangerous shit for him and all of us because I'm not sure the giant entertainment and media companies won't quietly punish him for his transgression.

Cena handled this all wrong. He should have stayed in character and told the CCP, “If you want some, come get some. I support Freedom and Liberty for Taiwan.” He would have become an instant American Hero.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Cena handled this all wrong. He should have stayed in character and told the CCP, “If you want some, come get some. I support Freedom and Liberty for Taiwan.” He would have become an instant American Hero.

And put himself on the roundup list when they get here to take over.

 

[y2kmark]

Dude is low-key brilliant, I am surprised he'd make that error, that said, who the hell cares? It was a small error, what a stupid thing to blast someone over.

Social media has a tendency to polarize people over virtually anything ...

 

[y2kmark]

Canada should immediately tell China, "Release the two Michaels or we will immediately recognize Taiwan as the sole Legitimate representative of China."

Communist (dictatorship) China's ONLY legitimacy is at the barrel of a gun.

Thugs.

One day I'll wish upon a star and wake up where my cares are far behind me...

 

[Knuckle Ball]

And put himself on the roundup list when they get here to take over.

Pffft...Cena would hit the CCP with the Attitude Adjustment if they tried it! No fear!

 

[y2kmark]

And put himself on the roundup list when they get here to take over.

Radical instigator

Imagine that, thee posts to this thread and I never even heard of John Cena...

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

To have a working. effective democracy, you kind of have to have boundaries that encapsulates some intangible ideals and values. I would say the notion of "countries" went hand and hand with the rise of democracy in the world after the great wars.

Before 1800, traditional countries were bound together by language, culture and a monarch. That bind was sometimes strong and sometimes weak.

I completely agree. The British Empire is a good example of an empire where the bind was strong. That came largely from the empire being made up of domestically sovereign nations (the Dominions) who were bound together by language, culture and values. As a result, the Empire lasted a long time.

The Austro-Hungarian/Habsburg Empire (1867-1918) is an example of an empire that was doomed for failure from Day 1. The Habsburgs gave no autonomy to the territories they held (except Austria and Hungary), the empire was divided between people of the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Sunni Muslim faiths, and it was made up of more than 10 nationalities/languages in Central Europe and the Balkans, many of whom hated each other and hated the ruling Habsburgs even more.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I completely agree. The British Empire is a good example of an empire where the bind was strong. That came largely from the empire being made up of domestically sovereign nations (the Dominions) who were bound together by language, culture and values. As a result, the Empire lasted a long time.

However. Even though the British fucked over Hong Kong …..royally so to speak, the residents of Hong Kong seemed pretty satisfied with the way things settled down into a fairly cordial arrangement. As compared to what is happening there today.
I have met some Indians who talk fondly of the British. There was a documentary a while ago where Indian school kids were being interviewed and they talked about how having English as a common language was an advantage. The Indians still model some or part of their legal and administrative system on the British system.

 

[Samranchoi]

Colbert Releases John Cena's 'Full Apology' to China: Taiwan is 'Not Even a Real Place!'

Stephen Colbert and his Late Show team roasted John Cena for apologizing to China after referring to Taiwan as a country -- releasing his (faux) "full apology" video.

www.google.ca

 

[curr3n_c1000]

Say Taiwan is a country, make a public apology to China in their language.

China releases a killer virus to the world and covers it up, doesn't admit fault and blames everyone else.

What a time to be alive.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Say Taiwan is a country, make a public apology to China in their language.

China releases a killer virus to the world and covers it up, doesn't admit fault and blames everyone else.

What a time to be alive.

Seems like the world isn't the slightest bit interested in the fact that it came from China. Perfect world war. Not a shot fired. Shrug it off. Nothing to see here folks. Bankrupt millions of businesses and sink the western countries into even further insoluble debt, while enjoying a cash grab quadruple of what they were making before. Want face masks? Oxygen Concentrators? You know where you can buy them. Don't be shy. Step right up folks. More where that came from....

 

[Valcazar]

Actually, it is decided by the people who live there. Especially in the democratic society which Taiwan clearly is. We used to call it self determination and it was a pretty fucking big deal....just not for the people of the Republic of China.

So every group of people living on an patch of land who declare themselves a country are one?
Real world politics are a lot more complex than that.
(I mean, we could have a real debate about Constitutive vs Declaratory theory but I don't think either of us actually want that.)

This is a bit off topic, but the very notion of "countries" is very much a post-WW2 concept that crystalized with the creation of the UN.

If you went back to the turn of the 20th century, you wouldn't hear the word "country" very much when referring to sovereign nations. At that time, the globe was covered with empires, kingdoms, dominions, republics, sultanates, principalities, overseas territories and colonies.

It really wasn't until the 1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States that a consensus was even established on what makes a country a "country". The concept of "countries" became more clear with the founding of the United Nations in 1945.

I was going to argue more Montevideo than UN, and the post-WWI collapse more than either, but you've got Montevideo in there and it clearly has been an evolving process.
But fuck even Westphalia was a pretty significant rethinking of the concept. This shit is hard, yo.

You mean like almost everyone living there.

That is also a big part of it, yes.