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And at the end of it all, we know Biden had mishandled (and shared) classified documents and classified information as a Vice President and Senator. Those are facts.
Are they?
Did you read the report?
Social media political debates/discussions work best when one makes a point or a counterpoint. "Did you read the report?" is specious and a tad condescending.

I read the Executive Summary. I did not read the 388 page report. So what's your point?
 
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Was he in office when the covid pandemic ended?

If the pandemic had continued under his watch he would most certainly be blamed for it. If it ends on his watch he gets the credit. That’s just how it is…I don’t make the rules.
It's all happenstance and you are insulting American voters if you think they believe Biden ended the Covid crisis. That's not to mention it was a global phenomenon with a global effort to end the crisis. We all knew the crisis was going to end when Pfizer announced the success of their vaccine in November, 2020. In fact, global stock markets surged on the news.

However just assuming you are correct, I sure hope Biden and his team are working on a cure for cancer. I think Biden has been promoting ending cancer.
 

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By not showcasing new talent. By not giving up-and-comers exposure.
I think Randy West is retired. It's too bad because he showcased a lot of talented up-and-cummers.

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Isn't Mexico now officially the place the US does the most imports from?
(It might not be true yet, but I thought I saw something about that. )
Yes, but Canada and China are very close in the value of exports to the United States. Given Canada's political stability, their exports to the U.S. are likely going to be consistent for years to come. Mexico has been replacing Chinese suppliers in U.S. supply chains for some time now.

The risks are that Mexico's politics and drug cartels are unsettling at times. However, the Mexican economy needs the U.S. and the U.S. has to make the best of the situation in Mexico.

China is a wild card on the trade front. On the one hand, Xi is challenging the U.S. while spooking U.S. supply chain partners. On the other hand, the Chinese economy is weakening and they'll want to lean on exports to cushion their economy. Xi currently doesn't have the economic hand to support his geopolitics.
 
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How about watching the news conference he gave?

And Merrick Garland is in this. Is he biased?

Are you really going to not acknowledge Biden is having cognitive issues? Not remembering world leaders? Having Senior's moments? At this point he is imo a serious candidate for the 25th. Amentment.

LOL. I saw Biden. He seemed on the ball. He isn't constantly making mistakes like Trump, which don't seem to get the same traction around here. Biden is old. We all know that. But Trump isn't exactly a spring chicken. And, when push comes to shove, I think Biden is a significantly safer choice than Trump for soooo many reasons. First and foremost, protecting American democracy. As for not remembering world leaders, hate to burst your bubble, but Trump doesn't even know them at. Plus, who among us hasn't said the wrong name at some point or the other. Are we all senile now?

The bottom line is Hur is a GOP hack who couldn't hurt Biden with evidence or a court hearing, so he had to do a partisan attack. And that is how it should be viewed. It was a GOP hack stepping well over the line, and Garland SHOULD have stomped it at the curb. I guess the biggest question is, why are all special councils republicans? I would love to see how the right would react if a Democrat investigated Trump and said anything along the same lines.
 

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I actually agree with you the comments were gratuitous. However, I don't think this isn't even close to being the first time that a prosecutor unduly made himself a part of the political process. There's a bit of when my guy is taking hits from a prosecutor I am enraged.

These documents cases are not really worth the time DOJ is spending on them. Hur and his Special Counsel were put in the unenviable task of investigating/prosecuting a case they didn't want to pursue against a sitting President running for re-election. I really don't know what he should have given for a reason for not prosecuting, but his choice of words were poor. Let's face it. This Special Counsel was called to make it this case look like it was being treated with the same seriousness as Trump's document case.

And at the end of it all, we know Biden had mishandled (and shared) classified documents and classified information as a Vice President and Senator. Those are facts. So where was this case to go, but another political clusterfuck?

Having said that, there won't be any lasting damage to Biden politically. People can see he has slowed down and have decided what they are going to decide regardless.
You are not wrong. But the majority of Biden's docs were his own notes. And he cooperated in the investigation, sitting for five hours during the early days of the Israeli/Gaza war. And the reality is that Hur didn't have to say anything except the relevant facts of the case. Or he could compare and contrast why Trump is facing criminal prosecution and why Biden and Mike Pence are not (hint: they worked with the government, didn't lie and didn't try to hide documents...).
 

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You are not wrong. But the majority of Biden's docs were his own notes. And he cooperated in the investigation, sitting for five hours during the early days of the Israeli/Gaza war. And the reality is that Hur didn't have to say anything except the relevant facts of the case. Or he could compare and contrast why Trump is facing criminal prosecution and why Biden and Mike Pence are not (hint: they worked with the government, didn't lie and didn't try to hide documents...).
As I have said, I substantively agree with you. I however am not certain that the documents case against Trump is going to lead to serious punishment. You first get into the argument of Presidential immunity. President's have certain powers related to classified documents. As Vice President, Biden obviously did not. This will continually be brought up in court and on appeal if necessitated.

Also, how Biden and his attorneys properly handled these matters is not a precedence. It would appear from the timing they brought this to the Justice Dept. only after the Trump documents battle. They got out in front of the situation as they would say.

I'm not looking to argue with anyone on the merits of the Trump documents case. I just don't think the Hur Special Counsel waiving prosecution helps the Government's case against Trump.

From a political standpoint alone, if I were Merrick Garland I would announce the Government is dropping charges against Trump. State something like the DOJ is dropping charges to avoid a long court battle during the 2024 campaign. Redirect to the seriousness of the other cases involving January 6th as warranting the Government's focus and attention. It would behoove Garland (and therefore Biden) if he looked magnanimous and weaken Trump's case that he is being targeted by prosecutors. It just an opinion.
 
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LOL. I saw Biden. He seemed on the ball. He isn't constantly making mistakes like Trump, which don't seem to get the same traction around here. Biden is old. We all know that. But Trump isn't exactly a spring chicken. And, when push comes to shove, I think Biden is a significantly safer choice than Trump for soooo many reasons. First and foremost, protecting American democracy. As for not remembering world leaders, hate to burst your bubble, but Trump doesn't even know them at. Plus, who among us hasn't said the wrong name at some point or the other. Are we all senile now?

The bottom line is Hur is a GOP hack who couldn't hurt Biden with evidence or a court hearing, so he had to do a partisan attack. And that is how it should be viewed. It was a GOP hack stepping well over the line, and Garland SHOULD have stomped it at the curb. I guess the biggest question is, why are all special councils republicans? I would love to see how the right would react if a Democrat investigated Trump and said anything along the same lines.
What about Jack Smith?? Jack Smith is a total democratic special counsel!!

Trump is coherent and energetic. Biden can barely string two sentences together. Biden is certainly not on the "ball"!!
 
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You are not wrong. But the majority of Biden's docs were his own notes. And he cooperated in the investigation, sitting for five hours during the early days of the Israeli/Gaza war. And the reality is that Hur didn't have to say anything except the relevant facts of the case. Or he could compare and contrast why Trump is facing criminal prosecution and why Biden and Mike Pence are not (hint: they worked with the government, didn't lie and didn't try to hide documents...).
Hur was just telling the truth, and all the "wacky" lefties go crazy.....LMAO That Israel/Gaza excuse is total BS!! Biden has dementia, and the "lefties" should just admit it already!!

If Biden wasn't charged then Trump shouldn't have been charge in this classified documents fiasco. It shows what a two-tiered justice system the US, has right now!!
 
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Economy is better than it was under Trump. After curing covid, Biden brought economy to historically low unemployment. Stock market hitting record highs- check the facts!
Do you live in the United States? Most people don't feel the way you are proclaiming they feel or should feel. While the economy and inflation are improving, the simple matter that personal incomes in real terms have declined during Biden's tenure. This is the biggest problem for Biden.


As far as the stock market, it's a very well-known fact that the U.S. economy grows over time and the stock market goes higher most years regardless of who holds the office of the Presidency. So the odds of hitting a "record high" during a Presidency are actually very high.

We can break it down further if you wish. The Stock Market was up 57% under Trump. It is currently up 38% under Biden. That's not even inflation-adjusting the stock market returns. Simultaneously printing money and increasing spending inflates asset values in nominal terms.

It’s only “pointless” for the Putin fanboys.
I've kind of lost track of what you have been saying about the Ukraine. Perhaps the Biden team is doing a great job handling the Ukraine conflict. Foreign conflicts that don't directly threaten the United States generally don't help a President. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is adding uncertainty and indirectly threatening global oil supplies. So I don't see the clear wins and losses here for Biden.

Do you think if the Ukrainian conflict is still grinding on in November that's good for Biden? It might be better for him if there was a ceasefire or even better a peace agreement. Just a thought.
 
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Facts: stock market changes
Clinton: + 227%
GW Bush: - 22%
Obama: + 148%
Trump: + 56%
Biden: + 32% with 1 year to go
 

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Most Americans aren't really qualified to comment on her qualifications, given she has public service experience than Trump. Unless of course said qualifications involve skin colour and gender.
Aren't you inadvertently also saying most Americans aren't qualified to decide who is qualified to be President? All I can say is so much for the will of the people if one can spin public sentiment to always be defined by race.

I have no issue with saying that a Senator who didn't even finish one term might not have the qualifications. More to the point, she doesn't have the gravitas to be our President. Could she grow into that? Possibly. While it's true we have had Vice Presidents who weren't exactly Presidential timber as they would say, the Biden age factor brings the Kamala Harris question more into focus.
 

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DOW is down 500+ points today.
My whole portfolio has gone to shit.
Thanks Joe Biden.

And yes I know it eventually will recover, but this President has not been good for the stock market

 

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A lot of Americans who think she does not have what it takes to be President, are saying it because of her race and gender. These were the same people who wanted to secede from the US after Obama got elected a 2nd term, and then proceeded to install Trump of all people in power in 2016.
Why do you so easily dismiss the idea that it is what she has said and done (or not done), and her support for the poor policies and decisions of her boss, that are the reasons so many see her as unfit to be President? Her poor performance as VP is well known. Why would you assume that disapproval of her must be based on race? Is it because race is how you make all of your own assessments?
 
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Not really. When someone says that a person elected to office isn't qualified, it has to be based on demonstrated unprofessional behaviour, that is detrimental to the nation. That distinction belongs to Trump. Kamala Harris has public service experience, and in what way has she behaved unprofessionally that it impacted the US negatively? I cannot think of any.

A lot of Americans who think she does not have what it takes to be President, are saying it because of her race and gender. These were the same people who wanted to secede from the US after Obama got elected a 2nd term, and then proceeded to install Trump of all people in power in 2016.
The problem with your racial and gender driven perspective is why did Kamala Harris do so poorly with her 2020 Presidential campaign. She failed to connect and resonate with Democratic voters who would generally view her racial and gender profile as a positive.

Skip ahead to 2028, she would not last long in the Democratic primaries. This dismissal of Kamala Harris would not be a commentary on how Americans view race and gender in politics. Perhaps your post is a reflection of an obsession with matters of race and gender.
 
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As I have said, I substantively agree with you. I however am not certain that the documents case against Trump is going to lead to serious punishment. You first get into the argument of Presidential immunity. President's have certain powers related to classified documents. As Vice President, Biden obviously did not. This will continually be brought up in court and on appeal if necessitated.

Also, how Biden and his attorneys properly handled these matters is not a precedence. It would appear from the timing they brought this to the Justice Dept. only after the Trump documents battle. They got out in front of the situation as they would say.

I'm not looking to argue with anyone on the merits of the Trump documents case. I just don't think the Hur Special Counsel waiving prosecution helps the Government's case against Trump.

From a political standpoint alone, if I were Merrick Garland I would announce the Government is dropping charges against Trump. State something like the DOJ is dropping charges to avoid a long court battle during the 2024 campaign. Redirect to the seriousness of the other cases involving January 6th as warranting the Government's focus and attention. It would behoove Garland (and therefore Biden) if he looked magnanimous and weaken Trump's case that he is being targeted by prosecutors. It just an opinion.
I hear you, but the difference between Biden and Trump are substantive, and Trump obstructed an investigation. As for his presidential immunity, it doesn't protect him two years after the fact, and a president CANNOT waive his hands over documents to make them unclassified. There is a process to ensure they can do so without burning assets or putting people in danger. I personally do not feel that Trump sold secrets, but he may have divulged them. And the bottom line is that nobody is above the law. If Biden did the same shit that Trump did, I would say he should face the same penalty and court case.
 
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