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A lot of Americans who think she does not have what it takes to be President, are saying it because of her race and gender. These were the same people who wanted to secede from the US after Obama got elected a 2nd term, and then proceeded to install Trump of all people in power in 2016.
Why do you so easily dismiss the idea that it is what she has said and done (or not done), and her support for the poor policies and decisions of her boss, that are the reasons so many see her as unfit to be President? Her poor performance as VP is well known. Why would you assume that disapproval of her must be based on race? Is it because race is how you make all of your own assessments?
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Is it because race is how you make all of your own assessments?
It is.
His posting history is all about race.
Its all he talks about 24/7
 
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Not really. When someone says that a person elected to office isn't qualified, it has to be based on demonstrated unprofessional behaviour, that is detrimental to the nation. That distinction belongs to Trump. Kamala Harris has public service experience, and in what way has she behaved unprofessionally that it impacted the US negatively? I cannot think of any.

A lot of Americans who think she does not have what it takes to be President, are saying it because of her race and gender. These were the same people who wanted to secede from the US after Obama got elected a 2nd term, and then proceeded to install Trump of all people in power in 2016.
The problem with your racial and gender driven perspective is why did Kamala Harris do so poorly with her 2020 Presidential campaign. She failed to connect and resonate with Democratic voters who would generally view her racial and gender profile as a positive.

Skip ahead to 2028, she would not last long in the Democratic primaries. This dismissal of Kamala Harris would not be a commentary on how Americans view race and gender in politics. Perhaps your post is a reflection of an obsession with matters of race and gender.
 
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As I have said, I substantively agree with you. I however am not certain that the documents case against Trump is going to lead to serious punishment. You first get into the argument of Presidential immunity. President's have certain powers related to classified documents. As Vice President, Biden obviously did not. This will continually be brought up in court and on appeal if necessitated.

Also, how Biden and his attorneys properly handled these matters is not a precedence. It would appear from the timing they brought this to the Justice Dept. only after the Trump documents battle. They got out in front of the situation as they would say.

I'm not looking to argue with anyone on the merits of the Trump documents case. I just don't think the Hur Special Counsel waiving prosecution helps the Government's case against Trump.

From a political standpoint alone, if I were Merrick Garland I would announce the Government is dropping charges against Trump. State something like the DOJ is dropping charges to avoid a long court battle during the 2024 campaign. Redirect to the seriousness of the other cases involving January 6th as warranting the Government's focus and attention. It would behoove Garland (and therefore Biden) if he looked magnanimous and weaken Trump's case that he is being targeted by prosecutors. It just an opinion.
I hear you, but the difference between Biden and Trump are substantive, and Trump obstructed an investigation. As for his presidential immunity, it doesn't protect him two years after the fact, and a president CANNOT waive his hands over documents to make them unclassified. There is a process to ensure they can do so without burning assets or putting people in danger. I personally do not feel that Trump sold secrets, but he may have divulged them. And the bottom line is that nobody is above the law. If Biden did the same shit that Trump did, I would say he should face the same penalty and court case.
 
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Hur was just telling the truth, and all the "wacky" lefties go crazy.....LMAO That Israel/Gaza excuse is total BS!! Biden has dementia, and the "lefties" should just admit it already!!

If Biden wasn't charged then Trump shouldn't have been charge in this classified documents fiasco. It shows what a two-tiered justice system the US, has right now!!
This is hilarious. Biden has dementia but Trump is a stable genius....If I rolled my eyes any harder, they may have popped out and gone back in time....As I said, there is a massive difference between how both men handled classified documents. Trump lied and tried to hold on to them, even going so far as to try and obstruct the investigation. Hell, he lied to his lawyers and the government and FORCED the FBI to raid his resort. That is why he is facing punishment. So, don't cry to hard, you have a Trump appointed judge who appears to be doing everything in her power to fuck the case up. And, she is obviously not an idiot, so everything she is doing is to help delay or sabotage the case in favour of Trump...There is your two-tiered justice system. And it should upset you...but we know it won't because you drank the kool aid...
 

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What about Jack Smith?? Jack Smith is a total democratic special counsel!!

Trump is coherent and energetic. Biden can barely string two sentences together. Biden is certainly not on the "ball"!!
Wrong again. Smith's a independent.... Which, I guess to your mindset means he must be a democrat in disguise...
 

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This is hilarious. Biden has dementia but Trump is a stable genius....If I rolled my eyes any harder, they may have popped out and gone back in time....As I said, there is a massive difference between how both men handled classified documents. Trump lied and tried to hold on to them, even going so far as to try and obstruct the investigation. Hell, he lied to his lawyers and the government and FORCED the FBI to raid his resort. That is why he is facing punishment
53% of Americans (and 29% of Demorats) disagree with you. They think Biden is getting special treatment

 
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Wrong again. Smith's a independent.... Which, I guess to your mindset means he must be a democrat in disguise...
I don't care much one way or another what party Smith is aligned with or not. However, an Independent could be simply be someone who doesn't declare his political preference.

In fact, polls show most independents generally and consistently favor one party while declaring they're independent. I doubt a government lawyer doesn't have a strong sense of his political preferences.
 

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DOW is down 500+ points today.
My whole portfolio has gone to shit.
Thanks Joe Biden.

And yes I know it eventually will recover, but this President has not been good for the stock market

So Joe is responsible this week because it's down but last few weeks when it was at an all time high, it's wasn't because of Joe??

Why do you so easily dismiss the idea that it is what she has said and done (or not done), and her support for the poor policies and decisions of her boss, that are the reasons so many see her as unfit to be President? Her poor performance as VP is well known. Why would you assume that disapproval of her must be based on race? Is it because race is how you make all of your own assessments?
I'm curious, what has she done as VP that constitutes a poor performance? Proof please not just your opinion.
 

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What do you mean did so poorly in 2020? She is the VP. I am also not talking about American's view on race and gender. I am referring to the Republican view on race and gender. I was saying that just like the Republicans wanted to secede in 2012 when Obama was elected to a 2nd term, they now want to talk trash about Kamala - not that they actually know anything about her actual qualifications or performance.
Please don't dig deeper and deeper trying to defend the case that Kamala Harris is not popular nationally because of race and gender. Kamala Harris performed poorly in 2020. She got crushed with Democrats. She didn't even make it to Iowa. The Republicans did not have anything to do with this. Those are just facts.

As far as being Vice President, everyone knows Vice Presidents are appointed to the ticket and ride on the coattails of the Presidential candidate. That's just the reality of how it works. I've already conceded there have been other poor choices for Vice Presidents. Dan Quayle immediately comes to mind. Quayle didn't help the ticket. Harris doesn't help the ticket.

So if you say a politically-weak multiracial woman should have every much the opportunity to be Vice President? Then we can agree.

You just have to accept that she is not popular with a vast majority of Americans. Generally, the VP on the ticket would not be as big a deal if it weren't for Biden's age. That's why Mike Pence was a more benign choice for VP.

 

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I'm curious, what has she done as VP that constitutes a poor performance? Proof please not just your opinion.
You might refuse to accept that Kamala Harris is not popular with the American public. It is however almost public that the Biden team does not like working with her. Whether it's public or not, this is the public perception and that is what matters.

I would make the point popularity is a barometer of political performance. This is especially true for a Vice President who simply represents the Administration and doesn't make executive decisions. Kamala Harris' approval rating is lower than Joe Biden's who already has a very low approval rating. Per The Hill: Harris received a net negative rating of -17, which is the lowest net negative rating for a vice president in the history of the poll (NBC News). Again, this is just public information.
 
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You might refuse to accept that Kamala Harris is not popular with the American public. It is however almost public that the Biden team does not like working with her. Whether it's public or not, this is the public perception and that is what matters.

I would make the point popularity is a barometer of political performance. Kamala Harris' approval rating is lower than Joe Biden's who already has a very low approval rating. Again, this is just public information.
First I will say, I don't believe she can run and win an election but I said the same of Pence and other VPs. Now, show me proof of what she's done so badly. I see a VP who stands by her boss and if need be takes the helm. If you ask me who I'd like to see step in and run as Prez it would be Gavin. I also believe Trump is to old, has the start of dementia, and is just a chaotic POS and the US would be better served in Nov. having to vote for Gavin vs Haley.

 

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You might refuse to accept that Kamala Harris is not popular with the American public. It is however almost public that the Biden team does not like working with her. Whether it's public or not, this is the public perception and that is what matters.

I would make the point popularity is a barometer of political performance. This is especially true for a Vice President who simply represents the Administration and doesn't make executive decisions. Kamala Harris' approval rating is lower than Joe Biden's who already has a very low approval rating. Per The Hill: Harris received a net negative rating of -17, which is the lowest net negative rating for a vice president in the history of the poll (NBC News). Again, this is just public information.
Wyatt, what do you think of Haley?? I would have preferred Christie or Haley to run. I don't agree with a lot of what they have to say but they are so much safer for the US than Trump.

 

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Wyatt, what do you think of Haley?? I would have preferred Christie or Haley to run. I don't agree with a lot of what they have to say but they are so much safer for the US than Trump.
I think Haley is a very solid candidate. She's been my first choice for some time. I would hesitate to suggest she do something different in the primaries. I had no issues with Christie.
 
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So Joe is responsible this week because it's down but last few weeks when it was at an all time high, it's wasn't because of Joe??
DOW is tanking because inflation isnt coming down. Thats on Biden
 

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Approval ratings are subject to personal biases, so I don't see her low approval ratings as helping your argument that they are low, because of poor performance and not because of rhetoric, racism or sexism. In fact, knowing how uninformed people are, rhetoric, racism and sexism perhaps has a bigger impact on approval ratings than anything else.
As I said above you can't ignore popularity and approval ratings. It is a key metric of performance for a politician.
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The fact that Kamala Harris' approval ratings have dropped steadily and significantly since 2021 suggests Independents and some Democrats have soured on her. Kamala Harris was a multiracial, woman in 2021 paired with an elderly President as well. Why would her race and gender become an issue now?

(Republicans don't like Joe Biden so thus they're not going to like Kamala Harris either race and gender aside. You're left with the Dems and Indys.)

By the way, Trump is 4 points above Kamala, and he is not even in power. Not sure how that is actually better.
It's Kamala Harris' almost 18% negative margin that's the bigger concern. You're not going to find any support for Kamala in the numbers.

So my question stands. Regardless of her approval ratings in what ways has her performance been poor, especially compared to Trump and Mike Pence earlier?
I think you're making an argument here that you favor and you perceive others favor Biden/Kamila's performance to Trump/Pence's performance. Even if this was true, it does not make a strong case for Kamila as much as it does for Biden. Interestingly, Pence was routinely more popular than Trump so one could easily make the argument that Pence did not hurt the ticket. Kamala has been less popular than Joe Biden.

In a typical year where Vice Presidential candidates are not critical in the election, Kamala is perfectly fine. Given Biden's advancing age, Biden's VP should be a stronger candidate.
 

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I think Haley is a very solid candidate. She's been my first choice for some time. I would hesitate to suggest she do something different in the primaries. I had no issues with Christie.
Then you're cheering for the Orange Blimp to get a jail sentence or a coronary??
 

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But inflation has come down up til now so you admit up until NOW Biden has been doing a fantastic job?
No, because he's had almost 4 years to bring inflation down to where it should be, and he has failed.

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