Jays on verge of Frank Thomas signing
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Simple answer guyroch...I like Thomas a lot... I mean I dig his game for a 38 year old but I just have to agree with you...This will not push us into the world series or even the playoffs... Bottom line is Ted Lilly is leaving and the Jays are already a hitting team(a good one too) but the pitching is just so shaky...Even Roy Halladay is shaky because of his the injuries that have plagued him the last few years(he hasn't ever played a full season which is no good)...A guy like Barry Zito I believe could quit possibly push us into the world series but at the very least deep into the playoffs...Now signing both Zito and Thomas could really do some damage to oponnents...Maybe we could even get Lilly ... I mean if we signed Zito...Our rotation could look like: Halladay,Zito,Burnett,Chacin, and Lilly(or some other pitcher since Lilly has already filed for free agency) That's a nasty one to face...
Btw on the big hurt, is Frank Catallano leaving..I mean why the fuck do we need another DH?...JP is a fuckin fool if he doesn't understand that the Jays hitting is not the problem..Pitching and defense MUST be addressed in order for this team to take the next step...
Btw on the big hurt, is Frank Catallano leaving..I mean why the fuck do we need another DH?...JP is a fuckin fool if he doesn't understand that the Jays hitting is not the problem..Pitching and defense MUST be addressed in order for this team to take the next step...
I'm not going to read the entire thread so this comment may be a repeat of someone elses.
During last playoffs, Frank Thomas got a few lucky swings in the first serie. After that, nada... This guy can hit mistakes. However, playoffs are all about pitching. How many mistakes does he get to hit in the playoffs? Not much. Conclusion: 10million down the drain.
btw, I also think that he will be injured 33% of the duration of the contract...
During last playoffs, Frank Thomas got a few lucky swings in the first serie. After that, nada... This guy can hit mistakes. However, playoffs are all about pitching. How many mistakes does he get to hit in the playoffs? Not much. Conclusion: 10million down the drain.
btw, I also think that he will be injured 33% of the duration of the contract...
I don't know about this signing. I'll take a wait and see approach on this. Did we need another hitter, not really, but he does bolster the DH position considerably if he plays over a 100 games in the season. I have a feeling that JP doesn't feel the Cat will be back, if thats true, then we did need to go out and get a DH cause that position we filled basicall by Hinske, Zaun, Molina, Cat, and Adam Lind last year. Looking at that list Hinske is already gone and probably only one of Zaun or Molina will be back. If the Cat doesn't come back then your basically empty at the DH position without this signing.
A pitcher would be more valuable, but but everyone is looking for pitching and the prices will be high. I'm still hoping something happens for Zito though.
A pitcher would be more valuable, but but everyone is looking for pitching and the prices will be high. I'm still hoping something happens for Zito though.
As much as I like Thomas and think he is a great piece to have on any team, I'll have to agree with the majority in this case. The Jays don't need any hitting right know and especially hitting from a player who has almost no chance of playing a position. Not to say that Thomas was not able to field first base at one point in his career. It's just that he can't do it at this point. Thinking further on this pitching vs hitting debate. If the Jays could save the $10 million on Thomas and bypass paying 4-5 million to Catalannato, wouldn't $13 million for 4 years be enough to intrigue Zito??
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I should be a GM............
I like the trade.
Not as if they are going to land a really marquee player in the 1st place. So big deal for 2 years and 20 million maybe Wells comes back and we can put together some more wins.
As for pitching, well maybe if Halladay and Burnett stay healthy for a full year we could have something there
Not as if they are going to land a really marquee player in the 1st place. So big deal for 2 years and 20 million maybe Wells comes back and we can put together some more wins.
As for pitching, well maybe if Halladay and Burnett stay healthy for a full year we could have something there
Well he would either play first base and have Overbay come in mid game to pump up defence. Or have it so Overbay starts at first and then have Thomas come in as a pinch hitter to win the game.guyroch said:
Personally I like the trade, and I don't see Wells going anywhere either. Rogers has an invested interest for this team to succeed. Although he said that he would be putting another $40 million into the roster, that is not an exact figure. Bottom line is that no one knows how much Rogers is willing to spend. Blue Jays management has made it clear that they do not want to make it known how much money is left for the roster. This allows them to have a little more control when dealing with the agents. If anything, the Thomas signing gives added incentives to those that might want to re-sign with Toronto, or make it attractive as a team to deal with. Everytime JP has made a trade, no one really knew about it. It is all speculation. He could be looking to trade Glaus, Burnett, or anyone on the roster that has a no trade clause. Let's be positive, and understand that Thomas coming here will only help us. Good hitting always helps out pitching. And by the looks of things, with a few runs scored early, our current pitching rotation might just surprise us. Now on to more improtant things like if they are still going to have those two hot girls working the "In the Action" seats right behind home plate. The brunnette is curvy and gorgeous, and the blonde is slim and sexy.
People really need to relax with Thomas signing, what exactly did we lose by signing Thomas...If we overpaid for the guy so what, it's the economics someone else will pay for it. There is no such thing as too much hitting, let's look at the yankees they already has the best hitting team in baseball and then they added Bobby Abreu and they went on tear after that trade. While they jays struggled offensively latter part of the year, and our pitching picked up slightly.
Since rogers bump jays payroll by another 20mil or so so we're looking at a payroll of 90-95 mil, our payroll end of last year was 71mil take out the free agents thats roughly 54 mil, plus Frank Thomas that's 64 mil, so we need a catcher, set up man, ss/2nd, another starter so thats about 30 mil we can work with for 4 positions...
Since rogers bump jays payroll by another 20mil or so so we're looking at a payroll of 90-95 mil, our payroll end of last year was 71mil take out the free agents thats roughly 54 mil, plus Frank Thomas that's 64 mil, so we need a catcher, set up man, ss/2nd, another starter so thats about 30 mil we can work with for 4 positions...
So I suppose you would rather pay, Julio Lugo 10mil to play ss for the blue jays? middle reliver aren't worth 10mil, 2 starting pitchers? I think you're over reacting a bit, at most we need to get one more starting pitchers either Lily or Zito or Mulder. How was frank Thomas being disruptive in chicago? Do you have facts like links or articles from chicago to support your claim , the only thing that came out of chicago was Kenny Williams calling him an idiot and he retaliated...Thomas signed with Jays since he wants to win the world series and it's the only thing he hasn't accomlish, he could have easily signed with the angels and they would have gladly paid him the 10 mil he covetedguyroch said:
Geeeeezzzz............ I hope Big Frank stays healthy. Or ouch!
Well, maybe it's like Phnine says: Maybe TR really is going to cough up the big doubloons this season and try and compete with the Yankees. I guess this one's a wait and see.
But i must say that I'm a little shocked and i agree with everyone else that pitching would have made a lot more sense.
Well, maybe it's like Phnine says: Maybe TR really is going to cough up the big doubloons this season and try and compete with the Yankees. I guess this one's a wait and see.
But i must say that I'm a little shocked and i agree with everyone else that pitching would have made a lot more sense.
It is a commonly held belief, Kenny Williams' comments aside, that Thomas could be disruptive in the clubhouse. Don't know if that was a function of his personal problems or just personality, but that was the reputation.benn said:
As for the ring, Thomas has one with the Sox in 2005.
Personally, as a big Frank Thomas fan since his rookie season, I love the fact that he signed. IF he stays healthy he'll be a definite plus in the line up. How he acts in the clubhouse, who knows but it looks like all was well in Oakland. I'm a little leery though on spending $10mil on him, but I guess it depends on who else was trying to get him. If JP really wanted him (like he wanted Burnett last off season) and there was a bidding war, then you have to do what you have to do in order to get your guy.
Fact of a matter is, you could spend $10mil on a DH coming off a career reviving year but who has been plagued with ankle problems in the two years previous, or you could spend it on a shortstop who would be a marginal improvement over who we have now (Lugo vs MacDonald), or you could spend a little less (approx $8mil) and get a .500 pitcher who, at best, is your number 4 starter (Lily). No matter what, JP's going to get shit on
I totally forgot about thomas winning a ring with the white sox back in 05...thanks for the correction
and you did provide very good points...There is no doubt, Angels wanted Thomas as well...Thomas in Rogers center can hit atleast 40homeruns if not 45 plus and he can make wells, glaus, rios, overbay even better...been a fan of thomas since his rookie year myself, still even have his rookie card
With Johnson in left and lead off, Wells in center and Rios in right, there is very little room for The Cat except as DH and Thomas should be a huge improvement there. After Hillenbrand left the BJ's really did not have a DH.
I think it means they won't try to re-sign The Cat... who is a real hustler and good in the clutch. Too bad. I like The Cat very much. But Thomas improves the offence.
It also means some offensive "protection" in case they can't sign Wells or trade him for pitching.
It has nothing to do with the BJ's other needs: a starter, a catcher and a middle infielder -- preferably at short.
Who knows. Maybe Towers can come back in the rotation. If so, with The Doc, A.J., Chacin plus one other journeyman the rotation could be pretty good.
Also, with Thomas in the line-up they can let McDonald play short -- there are many others worse, defensively -- even if he hits zilch... unless they bring in A-Rod, too.
Perry
I think it means they won't try to re-sign The Cat... who is a real hustler and good in the clutch. Too bad. I like The Cat very much. But Thomas improves the offence.
It also means some offensive "protection" in case they can't sign Wells or trade him for pitching.
It has nothing to do with the BJ's other needs: a starter, a catcher and a middle infielder -- preferably at short.
Who knows. Maybe Towers can come back in the rotation. If so, with The Doc, A.J., Chacin plus one other journeyman the rotation could be pretty good.
Also, with Thomas in the line-up they can let McDonald play short -- there are many others worse, defensively -- even if he hits zilch... unless they bring in A-Rod, too.
Perry
I Totally agree with you. I kinda like the Thomas signing. What's not to like about having Troy Glaus as your 6 hitter? The best pitcher that the Jays would have been able to realistically sign would have been Gil Meche or to retain Ted Lily. They'll probably end up signing one of those two. I don't think Upper management would really like to give +$15Milllion to Zito when Halladay makes 12. If the team can play to their capabilities and get off to a good start, then hopefully Rogers will open up the vault and get that extra piece to put them over the top.benn said:
