They are in a playoff spot (or very close)... well at least in a race ... I don't think the boo birds make much sense even if one element of the team is struggling. We are not the Yankees.
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They are in a playoff spot (or very close)... well at least in a race ... I don't think the boo birds make much sense even if one element of the team is struggling. We are not the Yankees.
Even if he had retained Teoscar and Lourdes are offence wouldn't be much better if we assume they produce like they have this year elsewhere in fact two of our acquisitions have been quite decent -- Belt and Keirmaier.
The issue with our offence has been the holdovers really slipping - Guerrero, Chapman, Springer, Kirk.
Of course those 4 holdover struggling bats mentioned above are all RHB.... and 2 of our lost batters were RHB... and 2 of our good acquisitions were LHB.... sort of screamed get a RHB at the deadline (even if the availablemarket was not great). And Atkins was not able to get it done.
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Regarding the Jays making the playoffs - based on the schedule alone, they will very likely be in a playoff spot 15 games from now.
After that the team needs to figure things out to hold the position.
It will be close. The Jays have a relatively easy schedule from today to the close of the season - helped by the Yanks imploding.
After that the team needs to figure things out to hold the position.
It will be close. The Jays have a relatively easy schedule from today to the close of the season - helped by the Yanks imploding.
I agree with all you say. However, it's pretty undeniable that they have underperformed at the plate and especially so with RISP. It is so frustrating to watch. So many opportunities with very little to show.
I think a lot of people are feeling the same way, which is why I referred to the boo birds. I kept thinking, they are too good for this continue, but it continues. With this roster they should be comfortably in a wild card position, but now they are life and death. Like you say it's only one aspect, but that aspect is in danger of putting to waste an amazing performance from the pitching staff, starters and the pen.
1) Nobody got:
Darren Fletcher: Darren's father Tom pitched two scoreless innings for the Tigers on September 12, 1962 in his lone Major League appearance at age 20.
Mark Leiter Jr.: Mark Sr. was a journeyman swingman for 11 seasons. He led the Majors in losses in 1997, with 17. Mark Jr currently plays for the Chicago Cubs. He had a 13.50 ERA for the Blue Jays in 6 2/3 innings during the 2018 season.
Brian McRae: Father Hal had a distinguished 19 year career in the big leagues, primarily as Designated Hitter for the Royals, after breaking in with the Cincinnati Reds. Brian hit .195 for the 1999 Blue Jays in his final season of 10.
Josh Roenicke: Gary Roenicke was primarily a platoon outfielder for the Orioles in the late 70's and through most of the 80's. Josh was part of the trade in which the Jays acquired Edwin Encarnacion for Scot Rolen. He was 1-0 for Toronto with a 6.38 ERA in parts of the 2009-10 seasons.
David Segui: Father Diego Segui led the AL in ERA in 1970, with exactly 162 innings pitched. I think he's the only man to have played for both the Seattle Pilots and the Seattle Mariners. David Segui was a trade deadline acquisition for the Blue Jays in 1999, and hit .316 for them in 95 at bats.
Dwight Smith Jr.: Dwight Sr. was an outfielder from 1989-96, used almost exclusively against right handed pitching. Dwight Jr. hit .370 in 27 at bats for the Jays in 21017 and .262 for the in 2018, (65 ABs), before being dealt to the Orioles for some international bonus slot money.
Justin Speier: Speier was was competent middle relief pitcher for Toronto from 2004-06. Father Chris was an everyday shortstop for the first 10 of his 19 big league seasons. The Montreal Expos acquired him in April, 1977 in a rare shortstop for shortstop trade, with Tim Foli moving to the Giants. Foli was kind of an asshole, but he was a favorite of long-time Expos manager Gene Mauch.
Randy St. Claire: Ebba St. Claire was a backup catcher from 1951-54. Son Randy pitch the last two innings of his nine year career as a middle reliever for the 1994 Jays. Julie St. Claire has spectacular breasts, or at least she did fifteen years ago when we did the nasty.
Steven Tolleson: Wayne Tolleson was a half decent utility infielder for several AL teams during the 1980's. Steven Tolleson was a not-as-good utility infielder for the 2014-15 Blue Jays.
Ozzie Virgil Jr.: Ozzie Sr. was the first Dominican to play in the Majors. He had an undistinguished Major League career, (324 games played from 1956-69), and 19 year career as a Major League coach. Ozzie Jr. was a two time NL All Star catcher, who hit .125 for the Blue Jays in 16 at bats at the end of his career, (1989-90).
2) Nobody got:
Jeff Burroughs: Jeff was the first overall pick in the 1969 amateur draft, and the 1974 AL MVP. He played his final season for the 1985 Jays. His son Sean played in 7 Major League seasons between 2002 and 2012.
Sal Butera: Career backup catcher Sal Butera hit .233 in 60 at bats for the 1988 Blue jays in his final season. Sal's son Drew Butera, also primarily a catcher, pitched 6 innings in five appearances between 2012-20. He is one of the few players from the 21st century who played in ten or more seasons, (12), with a career batting average under .200, (.198), with no speed, (zero career stolen bases, in one attempt), and negligible power,(.290 career slugging average).
Mike Darr Sr.: Mike was acquired by the Blue Jays in the 1976 expansion draft. In his first, last and only Major League appearance, he started and lost on September 6, 1977 against the Boston Red Sox, retiring four batters while hitting one batter, walking four, and allowing three hits, including a grand slam home run by Carlton Fisk, (33.750 career ERA). Son Mike Jr. played 1999-2001 for the Padres before being killed in a car accident during spring training 2002.
Mark Guthrie: Mark lasted 15 years in the Major Leagues as a left handed middle reliever. He was a Bluee Jay after the 2000 trade deadline, before signing as a free agent elsewhere in the off season. His son Dalton Guthrie played for the Phillies in 2022-23, but he has since been moved twice, and he's played for three different AAA teams this year.
Dave McKay: Canadian Dave McKay was the third baseman in the Blue Jays first game. Following his playing career, Dave has been a Major League coach for 36 seasons, currently as part of the Dimondbacks' staff. Dave's son Cody played 37 big league games between 2002-04.
Brian Milner: Drafted in the 7th round in 1978, Milner went straight to the Majors at age 18, hitting .444 in two games, with a 1.111 OPS before being demoted to Rookie ball at Medicine Hat. He never made it back to The Show. He remains the youngest player to have ever played for the Blue Jays. Brian's son Hoby is currently a member of the Milwaukee Brewers.
David Weathers: David started his 19 year Major League career with the Blue Jays, (1991-92), before being lost to the Florida Marlins in the 1992 Expansion Draft. His son Ryan has played in the Majors in 2021-23, but is currently toiling at the AAA level.
3) Nobody got:
John Mayberry Sr. and Jr.: John Sr. was a power hitting first baseman for the Blue Jays, (1978-82). John Jr. played in fifteen games for the 2014 Blue Jays in September. 2014, primarily as a pinch hitter, with a few outfield ad DH appearances, (five games started).
"Before the 1972 season, the Mets packaged Foli with fellow young prospects Ken Singleton and Mike Jorgensen and sent them to the Montreal Expos for star outfielder Rusty Staub"
I remember Foli, Singleton, Jorgensen and Staub from my Montreal days.
Foli once dated a Playboy Playmate.
Singleton and/or Jorgensen married Montreal women. Rusty Staub never made it to the HOF and passed a few years ago.
Statistically, I see what you’re saying, but the chemistry I felt was strong, fun and talented last year. And I feel as though the chemistry would have brought out better performances from everyone this season. There’s no proof in saying any of this from anyone for that matter, but I just feel like they would’ve been in a good situation.
….and they still could’ve added Belt and Kiermaier imo. Anyways, this is all hindsight.
Philip
Foli was an excellent fielder, great arm, great range, but when he made an error, he'd throw a hissy fit, and often fucked up the next ball hit to him. He had doubles power, but never had more than six homers in a season. His lifetime On Base percentage, (.283), and Slugging Pct, (.309), are really shitty for a #1 overall pick, (June, 1968), but that was a weak year for talent. The only player drafted that year who might one day be in the Hall of Fame is Thurman Munson.
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Foli was money when it counted in the 1979 post season with the Pirates. Has a World Series ring on his finger.
Munson was probably the third best catcher in Yankee history behind Yogi and Bill Dickey. Hopefully the veterans sees fit to give him a HOF nod. His body of work in the time he played is impressive. At 32 though he was having knee problems. Not sure how many seasons he would had left behind the plate. As a right hand hitter Yankee Stadium didn't do him any favours either. In 129 post season AB's he had a batting average of .357. As a defender he was elite.
Munson's career length and accomplishments are very similar to those of Buster Posey. I think he'll be in on his first or second attempt. Ten seasons is the minimum for Hall consideration. I see Munson as much more deserving than, say...Harold Baines, a good, but not great DH for a long time.
Elston Howard was the first Black player on the New York Yankees. Manager Casey Stengel is alleged to have said of him: "They finally get me a N166er, and they get me the only one who can't run.".
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Howard had to wait till he was in his early 30's until Yogi before entered his twilight years. Played first a lot those years.
He also lost two prime years because of military service.
I rank him 5th on my list behind Posada.
You can never predict what's going to happen in the playoffs. A team just has to get hot. There's been a million examples of this, especially getting by the first round where it's only best of 3 or best of 5.
Baltimore is good. Vlad and Bo are free agents in 2 years, this is their window to win it all… blah blah blah blah lol….I don’t think enough is being made out of the fact that the Yankees and the Red Sox are having off years in the same season. When does that happen? Once every 30 years?
Philip
Philip
I went to a Mets game last night versus the Angels. Both teams are in the gutter. But what an amazing experience at Citi Field. So many folks were there, almost a sell out to watch Ohtani. Tons of Japanese fans and it was a very strong culture experience. Blueberry/pomegranate seltzer coolers, and really nice grilled sausages. Lol the Jays, and Vlads 18 homeruns mean shit to me right now.
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Ohtani is making money for opposing teams. Thur should all be great full for his presence. Just like Messi.
He is the best draw in baseball and maybe in sports. The Japanese faithful all love him.
Jays are very good at beating bad teams
they are bad at beating good teams
No bad teams in playoffs
jays are pretenders not contenders
but
pretenders fill seats and make money and that is that is number one concern in any business
as they finish season against bad team they think they can get last WC and make money
when they could have traded FA STARS AND FILLED THE FARM SYSTEM THEY DEPLETED
good business stategy but bad stategy for building a true contender
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