FIRE SCHNIEDER
FIRE PETE
UPGRADE DON TO MANAGER
HIRE OZZIE GUILLEN AS BENCH COACH
TURN MANOAH INTO A LONG RELIEVER
USE RYU AS A SPOT STARTER
TRADE BIGGIO FOR PITCHING
OPEN UP A STEAKHOUSE AT ROGERS CENTRE
BRING BACK ALOMAR TO THE LEVEL OF EXCELLENCE
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FIRE PETE
UPGRADE DON TO MANAGER
HIRE OZZIE GUILLEN AS BENCH COACH
TURN MANOAH INTO A LONG RELIEVER
USE RYU AS A SPOT STARTER
TRADE BIGGIO FOR PITCHING
OPEN UP A STEAKHOUSE AT ROGERS CENTRE
BRING BACK ALOMAR TO THE LEVEL OF EXCELLENCE
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Romano blew Sunday’s game again. Not sure what it’s gonna take for Schneider to realize Romano is not a tie game guy. What was that his first or second pitch today that was hammered?
See this is what makes me sick. Aside from the fact that these bums can’t cash in on runners in scoring position almost always, Romano will once again blow a game like today where he didn’t even blow a save….. then he will convert his next 2 save opportunities, and everyone will be singing the blues again, about how he is Canada’s man of the year. I am so sick of this clown.. I wish we had a high velo nasty individual coming out of there.
Philip
See this is what makes me sick. Aside from the fact that these bums can’t cash in on runners in scoring position almost always, Romano will once again blow a game like today where he didn’t even blow a save….. then he will convert his next 2 save opportunities, and everyone will be singing the blues again, about how he is Canada’s man of the year. I am so sick of this clown.. I wish we had a high velo nasty individual coming out of there.
Philip
To paraphrase George Costanza after he ate a piece of mango "he's back baby, he;s back!!!!!"
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And unfortunately, the smaller AA towns also have the same Olive Gardens. Lol never mind Manoah, if I had an Olive Garden everywhere I went…… I’ll be there all day, every day. Or Arby’s. Oh man, those US food chain spots can be delightful
There’s a rumour I heard saying that Manoah came into camp weighing 320 pounds this year. There’s a photo that I saw on The Walk Off podcast and now I can’t find it. It shows him in a tank top midway through his delivery. And he definitely weighed 320 pounds, or something like that in that photo. There’s a lot of belief out there that his issues have been conditioning related. Mix it in with the pitch clock…. and that’s a recipe for disaster.
Philip
Whats deliciously ironic is Manoah giving this guy shit for fat shaming, when it turns out he may have been right all along.
And now he's gonna have to eat crow and lose some serious weight or he wont be back in MLB
https://montrealgazette.com/sports/...ammate-alejandro-kirk-from-fat-shaming-critic
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maybe this is some twisted form of karma. I had heard about this, but I never read that. Thanks for the link.Whats deliciously ironic is Manoah giving this guy shit for fat shaming, when it turns out he may have been right all along.
And now he's gonna have to eat crow and lose some serious weight or he wont be back in MLB
https://montrealgazette.com/sports/...ammate-alejandro-kirk-from-fat-shaming-critic
Philip
I have often wondered why a starter who is struggling without injury gets sent down. I would think the moving them to the bullpen would be the move to make. Maybe it is a financial thing.
BD
Jays are 9-12 since putting Bass on waivers on June 9th.
I dont know what effect this had on the dressing room, but the stats speak for itself
I dont know what effect this had on the dressing room, but the stats speak for itself
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This team absolutely stinks. Just when we think there’s a little light of hope at the end of the tunnel, they gets swept by the Red Sox at home. If they keep playing like this, I don’t want them to get a wildcard spot. I don’t want the head office or coaching staff to keep their jobs. I don’t want there to be a feeling of accomplishment this year. This team cannot build any momentum. I have been screaming all year (and winter) that they should not have fucked with the chemistry of the 2022 team.
I hate to say it boys, but I think it’s time to start thinking about being sellers at the trade deadline.
Philip
I'm not sure it's a factor. Bass' performance alone justifies his departure. With the Manoah's demotion, the Jays needed to add pitchers who can pitch more than one inning, and the more length the better. Bass had arguably the worst numbers of guys who usually pitch an inning or less.
The way I see it this team just may not be good enough period. Vladdy, Kirky, Espi and Romano are all performing below their best carreer year to date. This year's performance could be a truer reflection of what they bring to the party most years.
I am dissapointed that the Jays continue to make mistakes on the fundamentals and often beat themselves. Schneider has failed to deliver on this. While Varsho and Kiermaier field, run and execute the fundamentals better than Teoscar and Lourdes, the rest of the team has not hit or pitched well enough to make up for the power differential
Over the entire season I agree with you.
But check out his stats 15 days and 7 days before he was released.
Those were good numbers. Better than Cimber's numbers, thats for sure
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Schneider might work with teenagers or whatever, but he’s not a big league manager. He’s really not. I think we saw the first signs of that during the wildcard loss last year. Which is surprising because his record was actually amazing to that point. So many bonehead moves this year costing so many wins..
Last year‘s team was better. Way better chemistry. I don’t agree with Teoscar being replaced properly. He was the older brother that Vlady is not mature enough to become.
Philip
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….., I knew they would miss Teoscar in the order. Protection for Vlady. They could have kept him and still went out and got Kiermaier and Belt, and traded for Varsho.
Anyways, it’s all hindsight it is what it is, and this team is going nowhere. Bring back the damn jacket lol. And fire the hitting coach…, bring in a bluejay legend to be the new hitting
coach and bring back Gibby.
Philip
It is not a choice of long term / short term. On June 8 (give or take a day or two) the Jays were required under MLB ROSTER RULES to demote somebody from the main roster. Bass at the time was the clear logical choice at the time as outlined below because he was a poor fit for what they needed, and other options to demote would not have cleared waivers.Over the entire season I agree with you.
But check out his stats 15 days and 7 days before he was released.
Those were good numbers. Better than Cimber's numbers, thats for sure
Those numbers were not better than Cimber's numbers at the date of the designation. Cimber had an ERA of 3.94 - he was skeptical, but had not imploded either.
Players actually understand how roster rules, options, the 30 day rehab rule (forced call up) actually work. They realize that ANTHONY BASS WOULD HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED FOR ASSIGNMENT WHETHER HE WAS A TRUDEAU LOVER OR A TRUMP LOVER. It was a baseball move. Whether he would have been released after the 10 day DFA period is more open for debate. On June 8 he did not fit on the MLB roster and was an easy player to pass through waivers.
Remember that Bass was not released or DFA'd when he made the insensitive remarks initially because he still earned that roster spot. It was several weeks later that he was ultimately DFA'd - when the Jays were forced to demote somebody to call up Mitch White.
When Mitch White's 30 day rehab assignment ended, and HE HAD TO BE CALLED UP BY MLB RULES and Alex Manoah went down meaning they needed length out of the pen (which Bass could not provide). So let's look at the options at the time;
- Mitch White would have 100% been claimed on waivers (given his miniscule contract) if they did not recall him. And he fit the role.
- Bowden Francis would have almost certainly been claimed + he fit a role.
- Trever Richards and Anthony Bass were the worst relievers on the team at the time, and Richards can go 2-3 innings unlike Bass.
- Adam Cimber had an ERA of 3.94 at the time. He would have very likely been claimed on waivers (at that time) He was pitching better than Bass at the time (still stinky though), as a low leverage reliever. It made no sense to DFA him, at that time, instead of Bass. Unfortunately after the last 3 weeks, Cimber would also clear waivers.
- Anthony Bass was struggling and had a contract of $3m this year and next. HE WOULD NOT BE CLAIMED ON WAIVERS on performance alone due to his contract size that extended into 2024. He was easily the most logical DFA for baseball reasons.
DFA is not the same as release though - it just forces you to put a player through waivers, and then you have 10 days to call the player back up, At least at the end of the 10 day period (around June 18) there may have been a debate as to whether he fit on the roster (politics aside)... on June 8 the decision to DFA him was easy.
The real issue is here is that the Jays have some poor bullpen options and a lack of guys coming up to push for those spots.
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I would also note that with Manoah out, the current 13 man staff works better without Bass. Thankfully Cimber is on the IL now.
If his demotion had not been earned it may have been an issue with the players. And understandably so as the players care less about politics and most about winning. But it was earned and players that understand roster rules knew that.
There are many issues with the Jays — but it’s not Bass being gone or the impact of demoting a player who earned it. Believing that is letting your personal politics steer you to the wrong direction.
If his demotion had not been earned it may have been an issue with the players. And understandably so as the players care less about politics and most about winning. But it was earned and players that understand roster rules knew that.
There are many issues with the Jays — but it’s not Bass being gone or the impact of demoting a player who earned it. Believing that is letting your personal politics steer you to the wrong direction.
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Anthony Bass drew a target on his own forehead with his Tweets. Prior to his last appearance on June 5, he had only surrendered one run in his previous ten appearances. The Jays would rather weaken their roster slightly than draw the ire of the Alphabet Community. I'm guessing that Rogers may have had some input in this decision.
Anthony Bass 2023 game logs.
