Israel at war

[Phil C. McNasty]

Or may be the rapes just did not happen.

They most definitely happened. Unless you think NY Times is lying, and are "zionists" as well

https://archive.ph/GFkBT

In a grainy video, you can see her, lying on her back, dress torn, legs spread, vagina exposed. Her face is burned beyond recognition and her right hand covers her eyes.
The video was shot in the early hours of Oct. 8 by a woman searching for a missing friend at the site of the rave in southern Israel where, the day before, Hamas terrorists massacred hundreds of young Israelis.

The video went viral, with thousands of people responding, desperate to know if the woman in the black dress was their missing friend, sister or daughter.
One family knew exactly who she was — Gal Abdush, mother of two from a working-class town in central Israel, who disappeared from the rave that night with her husband.

As the terrorists closed in on her, trapped on a highway in a line of cars of people trying to flee the party, she sent one final WhatsApp message to her family: “You don’t understand.”
Based largely on the video evidence — which was verified by The New York Times — Israeli police officials said they believed that Ms. Abdush was raped, and she has become a symbol of the horrors visited upon Israeli women and girls during the Oct. 7 attacks.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated

Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway where Ms. Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road at a third location.

And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Many of the accounts are difficult to bear, and the visual evidence is disturbing to see.
The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.
The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Sapir, a 26-year-old accountant, has become one of the Israeli police’s key witnesses. She does not want to be fully identified, saying she would be hounded for the rest of her life if her last name were revealed.

She attended the rave with several friends and provided investigators with graphic testimony. She also spoke to The Times. In a two-hour interview outside a cafe in southern Israel, she recounted seeing groups of heavily armed gunmen rape and kill at least five women.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The first victim she said she saw was a young woman with copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.” While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box cutter and sliced off her breast.
“One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.
She said the men sliced her face and then the woman fell out of view. Around the same time, she said, she saw three other women raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more women.

Sapir provided photographs of her hiding place and her wounds, and police officials have stood by her testimony and released a video of her, with her face blurred, recounting some of what she saw.

Yura Karol, a 22-year-old security consultant, said he was hiding in the same spot, and he can be seen in one of Sapir’s photos. He and Sapir were part of a group of friends who had met up at the party. In an interview, Mr. Karol said he barely lifted his head to look at the road but he also described seeing a woman raped and killed.

Since that day, Sapir said, she has struggled with a painful rash that spread across her torso, and she can barely sleep, waking up at night, heart pounding, covered in sweat.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Ah the NYT article that has been soundly criticized and laughed at. The editorial process behind the article was criticized, with concerns raised including the use of inexperienced reporters, an over reliance on witness testimony, weak corroboration, and a lack of supporting forensic evidence.

On 29 April 2024, more than 50 tenured journalism professors signed a letter calling on the New York Times to "immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for ["Screams Without Words"] and release a report of the findings."

In short it was a bullshit Israeli propaganda piece. Nothing more

The NY Times stands by its story. I believe them.
The only people who are in denial are antisemites

 

[Klatuu]

Yes the NYT stands by its story after embarrassing themselves via their poor journalistic practices. Yes the many tenured professors of journalism must all be antisemites. Support for Israel in this war is rooted in racism.

Well said.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Support for Israel in this war is rooted in racism

Only racists care about race

 

[Klatuu]

Ah the NYT article that has been soundly criticized and laughed at. The editorial process behind the article was criticized, with concerns raised including the use of inexperienced reporters, an over reliance on witness testimony, weak corroboration, and a lack of supporting forensic evidence.

On 29 April 2024, more than 50 tenured journalism professors signed a letter calling on the New York Times to "immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for ["Screams Without Words"] and release a report of the findings."

In short it was a bullshit Israeli propaganda piece. Nothing more.

One of the “reporters” was fired by the NYT shortly after. She wasn’t a reporter at all. Had no training. But loved to like social messages calling for the genocide of Palestinians.

The NYT newsroom itself roiled against the story and its lack of standards. The NYT canceled a podcast by the reporters after doubts about the accuracy and professionalism of the investigation emerged.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236130609/new-york-times-hamas-attacks-israel-palestine

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Yes. Like the ones who support and demand an ethno state like Israel.

The two-state solution is dead. Palestinians rejected 3 different peace proposals.
They were offered the carrot or the stick, and they chose the stick.
And now they're feeling it

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Yes the only possible solution is a one state solution because Israel has illegally taken 95% of the lands. Palestinians rejected peace proposals because none of those peace proposals involve Israel giving BACK land especially in the West Bank. Not in Gaza. Lets not point to 2005. I am talking about the illegal settlements in the West Bank that makes up the majority of land area of Palestine. Israel takes land, and then expects the Palestinians to accept the NEW status quo. So none of their peace proposals are sincere or workable. This conflict will continue and the terrorism will continue until Israel either gives back land or gives Palestinians equal rights. The Palestinians are not going anywhere, neither are the Israelis

You couldnt be more wrong. Arafat in 2000 didnt even want to negotiate with Barak.
Even Clinton went on record saying he offered PLO over 95% of West Bank, and they still turned it down.

Also, in the video Clinton confirms Hamas hides amongst civilians and uses them as shields.
A fact which you have repeatedly denied (along with your other half baked theory that Hamas would never rape civilians)

A video from May 13, 2016, in Ewing Township in New Jersey, U.S has been doing rounds on social media where former US President Bill Clinton can he heard saying 'Hamas is really smart. When they decide to rocket Israel, they insinuate themselves in the hospitals, in the schools, in the highly populous areas.' 'I killed myself to give the Palestinians a state. I had a deal they turned down that would have given them all of Gaza... between 96 and 97% of the West Bank, compensating land in Israel, you name it.'

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Read this and learn something

Arafat didn't negotiate - he just kept saying no

Ever since the start of the second Palestinian intifada, a row has raged over who was responsible for the breakdown of the peace process. Now, for the first time, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak has weighed in, accusing Yasser Arafat of being a liar who talked peace while secretly...

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dutch Oven]

This conflict will continue and the terrorism will continue until Israel either gives back land or gives Palestinians equal rights.

Or enough people who think as poorly as you have died in in the conflict. That point might come sooner than you think.

There is no one state solution with a group who advocates your elimination from the region. What a ridiculous outlook it is to expect to be brought into the current century by those you say have no right to be there.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

There is no one state solution with a group who advocates your elimination from the region

This ^^

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The solution is either a one state solution or a 2 state solution going back to 1967 borders and removal of ALL settlements. Negotiating acceptance of land theft isnt going to be accepted and the Palestinians are not wrong in refusing such "deals"

You have to compromise in peace deals. Arafat refused to compromise.

Also I noticed you're conveniently not responding to Clinton's claim Hamas hides in hospitals, schools and highly populous areas .
Those were his exact words. Will you now admit you were wrong??

 

[Klatuu]

Or enough people who think as poorly as you have died in in the conflict. That point might come sooner than you think.

There is no one state solution with a group who advocates your elimination from the region. What a ridiculous outlook it is to expect to be brought into the current century by those you say have no right to be there.

Delusional. Poorly educated.

 

[Dutch Oven]

The solution is [edit] a 2 state solution going back to 1967 borders

So, give occupied land back to Jordan and Syria? What has that got to do with establishing a Palestinian state?

 

[Dutch Oven]

Delusional. Poorly educated.

You are unquestionably one of the goofiest posters we've had here in a while, and that's saying something! You are as truly "out there" and alien as your handle suggests! If this is all just a big gag, your level of commitment makes it hard to distinguish from legit lunacy. Maybe, in some perverse way, this might make it your "tour de force" portrayal of an unsound mind (like Jack Nicholson in The Shining). I guess you'll have to take your bows privately, as I don't expect you to break the 4th wall at this point.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

And what makes you think Clinton's claims are trustworthy?. Did you forget that the US govt is bought and paid for?

I think most rational people will believe Clinton over Kautilya from Terb

And even if it were true did you forget Hamas are Palestinians who live in Gaza? And did you forget that per international law it is still a genocidal war crime to bomb hospitals or schools even if Hamas members hide there?

See, you're wrong again.
If an enemy fires as a little as one bullet from a school or hospital, those locations then become fair game.
Somebody posted the exact lettering of the Geneva Accord a few months ago, but I'm too lazy to search for it