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shack

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I can see how angry it must be that they support human rights.
Not at all. The first page was full of articles, all of which were anti-Israel.
Runs counter to your belief that all Palestinians are vermin that need to be exterminated.
Produce the post, the thread and the post number. You can't do it because you're lying. I never said it.

However, you clearly did say that you want 500,000 Palestinians to die.
 
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Does the rape end when the victim stops resisting?
That's the 3 time you've used that inappropriate analogy. This is a war, Not a rape.

The killing stops when Hamas surrenders AKA stops resisting. But you don't want it to stop.

Once more you've proven that you want 500,000 Palestinians to die.
 
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Once more you've proven that you want 500,000 Palestinians to die.
but he wants it for a good and noble cause!
 
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The answers, whether the ardent Israel supporters in this thread agree with or not, like it or not, can be found, in the statements of Israeli politicians.

1. Who is Hamas? - According to Israeli politicians - ALL of them. Every. Single. Gazan. They are all Hamas. Per the Mossad guy's statement on Anderson Cooper - "There are no non-combatants in Gaza". Including the women, children and the elderly who make up almost 70% of the 2.2M in Gaza and according to Israel, they are ALL Hamas and therefore fair game.
It is not the policy of the Israeli government.

2. What is the goal? - They say to wipe out Hamas and to bring back hostages. However several hostages have been killed by Israel and the real goal is to create pressure cooker situations, and use them as a reason to squeeze the Palestinians into as small a land area as possible, while slowly taking over the rest. This is the actual goal and everything else is hogwash.
The goal has been the same since day 1. Eliminate Hamas and get back the hostages. That is the stated objective of the Israeli government. Your interpretation is not valid.

3. How much of Hamas have they killed so far (barring the few leaders killed in Lebanon)? - They don't know.
They do. A couple of days ago they said it was over 8,000

4. How will they know they have killed enough Hamas, enough to substantially weaken them? - They won't. There is no way to know. Infact, I suspect, they don't care or even want to know.
When the rockets stop would be a pretty good parameter for one. When Hamas surrenders is another good one.

5. Can they guarantee zero extremism after this war? - Obviously, not.
Stupid question. Can you guarantee that you won't die in your sleep tonight?

6. Where do the actual leaders of Hamas live? - Not in Gaza.
Israel has found and killed terrorists around the world. They hunted down Nazis from WWII in S. America. Do you think that they forgot how to track them down? Do you think that they've lost their resolve in eliminating their enemies?

7. What happens after the war? - They don't know. Bibi refuses to discuss it and in the last week alone, has cancelled 3 meetings with his cabinet, with the Mossad and with Shin Bet, on this very same question, because a plan is not in place, yet. However, going by past actions, what I suspect will happen, is Israeli occupation of Northern Gaza, checkpoints, and walls. Followed by settlers in strategic locations, protected by the IDF. Southern Gaza will be a hotbed of terrorism, as more and more people are squeezed in, and subsequent conflicts will be even more bloody.
First things first. Eliminate Hamas and then there is no war. No urgency. They can discuss it with other democratic nations. Your guesses are nothing more than guesses from a person who has no experience working on these things.

Whatever happens, the Palestinians in Gaza will be better off.

8. When will the war end? - When Bibi decides it is politically convenient for him to end it. He previously needed Hamas for his "No Palestinian State at any cost" platform. Now, he needs the war, to ensure his political survival.
Either when there are no more Hamas willing to fight, either because they've surrendered or been killed. Pretty simple, eh?

OK, I've extended you the courtesy of trying to answer all of your 8 questions.

Can you provide me the same courtesy and answer only 1 question from me. And it's an "either or" type of question. There are only 2 choices. And again, I would appreciate the courtesy of a straight answer, i.e. pick one of the 2 and please do not deflect.

At this point do you think that Hamas should continue fighting, thereby ensuring that more Palestinians will die or do you think that they should surrender and release the hostages.

You try to project yourself as a man of integrity, so please put that integrity on display and give a clear answer as to whether you think Hamas should surrender or keep fighting.
 

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It is not the policy of the Israeli government.

The goal has been the same since day 1. Eliminate Hamas and get back the hostages. That is the stated objective of the Israeli government. Your interpretation is not valid.

They do. A couple of days ago they said it was over 8,000

When the rockets stop would be a pretty good parameter for one. When Hamas surrenders is another good one.

Stupid question. Can you guarantee that you won't die in your sleep tonight?

Israel has found and killed terrorists around the world. They hunted down Nazis from WWII in S. America. Do you think that they forgot how to track them down? Do you think that they've lost their resolve in eliminating their enemies?

First things first. Eliminate Hamas and then there is no war. No urgency. They can discuss it with other democratic nations. Your guesses are nothing more than guesses from a person who has no experience working on these things.

Whatever happens, the Palestinians in Gaza will be better off.


Either when there are no more Hamas willing to fight, either because they've surrendered or been killed. Pretty simple, eh?

OK, I've extended you the courtesy of trying to answer all of your 8 questions.

Can you provide me the same courtesy and answer only 1 question from me. And it's an "either or" type of question. There are only 2 choices. And again, I would appreciate the courtesy of a straight answer, i.e. pick one of the 2 and please do not deflect.

At this point do you think that Hamas should continue fighting, thereby ensuring that more Palestinians will die or do you think that they should surrender and release the hostages.

You try to project yourself as a man of integrity, so please put that integrity on display and give a clear answer as to whether you think Hamas should surrender or keep fighting.
Delusional
 
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Israel has a long history of assassinations in Iran and elsewhere.
Netanyahu has been itching for war with them for decades.
Iran says it was a drone, that limits who it could have been to pretty much one country.

Israel is a threat to world peace.
So ISIS confirmed they were responsible for the twin blasts in Iran yesterday.

If it wasn't for Hamas, Israel could just sit back and watch the show, while the Islamic radicals kill each other...
 
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So ISIS confirmed they were responsible for the twin blasts in Iran yesterday.

If it wasn't for the Hamas, Israel could just sit back and watch the show, while the Islamic radicals kill each other...
And if it wasn’t for Israel’s racism, apartheid, ethnic cleansing and occupation, tens of thousands of people would still be alive.
 

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It's not that complicated.
First thing you do after a ceasefire and investigations on both sides is you give everyone living under Israeli control full human rights including the vote.
This is also not complicated.
Please give us a list of all the countries in the world that give non-citizens the right to vote, let alone have ALL of the same rights as actual citizens.

Hey fringe fanatic, get this. Puerto Ricans are considered American citizens yet they ARE NOT allowed to vote in American elections.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Voting rights of United States citizens who live in Puerto Rico, like the voting rights of residents of other United States territories, differ from those of United States citizens in each of the fifty states and the District of Columbia. Residents of Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories do not have voting representation in the United States Congress, and are not entitled to electoral votes for president. The United States Constitution grants congressional voting representation to U.S. states, which Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories are not, specifying that members of Congress shall be elected by direct popular vote and that the president and the vice president shall be elected by electors chosen by the states.

It's time to start your campaign against American apartheid. You've been silent on this serious issue. Some citizens are being discriminated against. Why have you not spoken out? Why do you only complain about Israel?

Yet you want Israel to give full rights and the vote to non-citizens? No wonder that everybody mocks you and nobody takes you seriously. You are one funny joke.

I'll wait for that list. Until then you can....
 

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Fixed your post, as you call for more genocide and I call for a ceasefire.
You might as well call for a leprechaun, unicorn and mermaid all together at once. You know there will be no ceasefire while Israel holds the upper hand.
It's a Hamas surrender or genocide.

Once more you have proven that you are calling for the deaths of 500,000 Palestinians. That is your stated position.

This is not what I posted. It is what you fabricated:
shack said:
It said 30,034 dead.

So I only need another 469,966 dead Palestinians until I'm happy.


Here's my post, directed to you. In this thread, post #12,978. Proving once again that when you are losing a debate you have no compunction to resort to lying.
It said 30,034 dead.

So you only need another 469,966 dead Palestinians until you're happy.
 

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Hamas had 75% support in Gaza the last time they were able to run a poll.
Netanyahu had 80% calling for his resignation
The purpose of the poll was to compare support for Hamas on the West Bank vs. support for Hamas in Gaza. The support in Gaza was significantly lower than in the WB.

Now please try to stay on topic Little Johnny. You always stray. Why do you think that Hamas has less support in Gaza than in the WB?
 

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Based on what facts? They are moving at exactly the pace and manner that they want to. There is virtually no resistance.
If there were no resistance they would not have been moving at the current pace, you are contradicting yourself.
Its simple, war is expensive, israel is small. If they could they would want to finish this in two weeks, which is what i think their original plan was.
 
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Yes in a weird way it infact was smart. It wasn't right. However strategically it was possibly the only option for Hamas. What else can they do if the status quo isnt acceptable?
Do you think what's happening now is better than the status quo?

It brought the world's attention on Gaza. It galvanized worldwide support for the Palestinian cause. It rekindled conversations about Israel's oppression. It disrupted the Saudi normalization of relations with Israel. Someone, in media, aptly called it a 'catastrophic success'.
So in your mind, it sounds like the current death toll and suffering is worth those accomplishments.

It's spelled Gandhi.
Thanks. I shall endeavor to remember.

And am not that much of a Gandhian, so am okay with that.
LOL. You got me.
 

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Running out of steam? Interesting interpretation to Israel becoming more precise in their strikes.
Israel’s changing of tactic is precisely due to their inability to root out hamas by occupying all critical grounds. Now the strain on logistics and economy is too much to carry on, they go for a more frugal approach. The so called precision is simply assassinating high ranking hamas leaders, which doesnt work because hamas is not organized like that. Heck israel killed the founder of hamas and it didnt do any damage to the organization.
 

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Do you think genocide and turning zionism into a globally hated movement was a smart thing to do?
Do you think not settling for the two state solution when you could have was smart?
You are afraid to answer, so you deflect instead. You need to answer before you ask a question.

Do you think that Oct. 7 was a smart thing to do?
 

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Do you really think the Arab nations want to supply troops? The Sunni's consider them traitors for allying with Shia Iran. Egypt won't touch them after dealing with them in the past. The rest have their own problems and borders to see to and are too small in many cases.

Seriously?
Vs the choice of 4m Pali refugees from the Israeli genocide? Seriously? Of course they would
 
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No, I support BDS and sanctions to end apartheid.
Because this way, it will take so long that you still get to see 500,000 Palestinians die.

All of your suggestions are idiotic. All of them result in more deaths in gaza.

Israel will not agree to a ceasefire at this point.

So the only two realistic options are, Hamas keeps fighting and the violence goes on indefinitely or Hamas surrenders.

Thus far your choice has always meant that you endorse the deaths of 500,000 Palestinians.
 
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