Israel at war

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The Palestinian Authority should not be allowed to govern a post-Hamas Gaza, an idea that has of late been floated by the Biden administration. The P.A. is essentially Hamas without resources; they hold the same antisemitic, rejectionist and violent worldview as Hamas. The Biden administration would do well to drop it as a partner.

The P.A. is a corrupt institution led by Mahmoud Abbas, an 88-year-old “politician” who has refused to hold a presidential election for nearly 19 years. Indeed, since last year, violence has plagued the P.A.-governed West Bank over who will control the territory after Abbas’s death.


Militants associated with Fatah, the P.A.’s governing party, participated in the cross-border massacre of Israelis on Oct. 7. The party has crowed over the butchery that day; Abbas’s deputy in Fatah said: “The blood of [Hamas] heroes will turn into a curse that will remove this occupier.” Another Fatah official called Hamas’ savagery “a heroic operation.”

At the same time, the P.A. has outrageously claimed that the Israeli military murdered nearly 400 partygoers in southern Israel on Oct. 7, not Hamas.

This should come as no surprise. Denial is what the P.A. does best.


Abbas himself has denied that there was a Temple in Jerusalem or that there is any Jewish connection to Israel.

He wrote a doctoral dissertation that minimizes the Holocaust—“it is possible that the figure [of Jewish victims] is … below 1 million”—while putting Zionists in the dock for perpetrating the crime. Abbas denies that Jews were murdered in gas chambers, citing Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson.

Earlier this year, Abbas said that the Jewish victims of the Holocaust were “fought because of their social functions related to money, usury.” Yes, “fought,” not “murdered.” Note the antisemitic tropes and the implication: It was the Jews’ fault, not the Nazis.’

Furthermore, the P.A. directly incentivizes terrorism.

Its budget allocates money to pay Palestinian terrorists in Israeli prisons; this program has been called “pay for slay.” The payments continue after release. Families of dead terrorists also receive funds. The sum of total payments amounts to $300 million a year.


In 2015, Abbas used incendiary language against Jews to propagate “pay for slay”: “Al-Aksa [Temple Mount] is ours and so is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre [in Jerusalem]. They [Jews] have no right to desecrate them with their filthy feet. We won’t allow them to do so, and we will do whatever we can to defend Jerusalem.” Abbas also said that “every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem is pure, every martyr will reach paradise, and every injured person will be rewarded by God.”

The language is indistinguishable from that of Hamas.

These words had deadly consequences. They led directly to the “stabbing intifada,” a months-long wave of knife attacks in 2015 against Jews.

In a 2016 speech, Abbas made a blood libel against Israeli rabbis, accusing them of plotting to poison water used by Palestinians.

The P.A. is not interested in peace with Israel.

Abbas refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The goal of the P.A., as with Hamas, is a Palestine “from the river to the sea.” On this, Abbas’s predecessor, PLO chief Yasser Arafat, was very clear.

This is why the Oslo Accords were followed by a campaign of suicide bombings. It is why Arafat rejected an offer of statehood at Camp David in 2000 and launched the Second Intifada in September of that year. It is why Abbas similarly rejected a 2008 offer of statehood.


The P.A., therefore, cannot be allowed to control Gaza. It incentivizes terrorism, promulgates antisemitism and refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

A better alternative would be for the Arab states willing to recognize Israel to have a say in Gaza’s future. They would have to acknowledge Israel’s legitimate security needs while exploring what type of governing entity and structure will be put in place. A sea change in Palestinian society must also occur.

Partnering with the P.A. has been a failed approach. It is time for a realistic appraisal of the circumstances and a major course correction.

The opinions and facts presented in this article are those of the author, and neither JNS nor its partners assume any responsibility for them.
Palestinian Authority is not a partner for peace - JNS.org
 

Butler1000

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You really have trouble understanding things, don't you?

It's always "If it isn't 100% it's 0%".
It's kind of impressive how consistent you are.
It must be exhausting to live in a world that black and white.
Um, yes the world considers anti semitism a black and white issue. Its not exhausting at all. I don't have to constantly jump through hoops to try to accommodate everyone like you do.

If you want to waffle on it thats your choice.
 
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Not true at all. Arafat said no when offered 95% or so of the west bank.

Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

There was a ton of offers over the years. It's your friends who wanted it all and they still do and say as much.
There were no offers and there has been no peace and no peace talks for a decade,.
Just more apartheid, land theft and killing Palestinians.

This is the reporter who found the babies left to die by the IDF.
The IDF used a sniper to kill him, letting him bleed out for six hours and shooting anyone who tried to help.

Genocide.


 
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shack

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Wrong - Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation but its a war crime to target civilians, they should be investigated for those acts as should Israel. I am not happy anyone on either side has been killed, BDS and the end of apartheid is what I support, non violent end to the occupation.
Israel has the right to self defense against terrorist attacks, which are war crimes. You continually try to justify the attack of Oct. 7. As such, you support that violence. Your words of non-support of violence ring hollow, as even in this post you somehow seem to think that killing 1,200 civilians is resistance. It was an undeniably cowardly sneak attack that has no equivalency to resistance. It was an act of aggression intended to draw a response from Israel. And now that Israel has responded you complain about it.

Wrong - I support a ceasefire and sanctions to end apartheid. Hamas and Palestinians have a right to self defence given Israel has refused all peace talks and continues to steal their land. But BDS and sanctions is my preference, that's what I support.
Wrong. Hamas has broken every ceasefire, including as recently as a couple of weeks ago when they stopped returning hostages. Claiming that Israel refused peace talks is a lie. Palestinians have rejected every land accord.

And I keep asking, why do you not support a solution of Hamas surrender which immediately stops the violence. No negotiations required. Why do you support a solution that takes months or years to take effect all the while more Palestinians die. There is absolutely no logic to it unless the strategy is to allow more Gazans to die so that Israel can be further demonized.

Please explain how and why delaying the end of the war is better than ending it immediately. Once again, your words ring hollow. You have NEVER been able to explain how waiting for BDS and protracted negotiations for a cease fire is faster and saves more lives than an unconditional surrender. A Hamas surrender in no way precludes a BDS movement or even delays it. The same goes for negotiations. Supporting your plan is totally irrational. Where is the logic in justifying your stance?

Wrong - you intentionally trying to claim a declaration for freedom and human rights means genocide.
Israeli Arab civilians have equal rights. By definition it means claims of apartheid are patently false.

Wrong - There is no evidence that is happening but there is increasing evidence Israel are again using human shields.
Fail. A classic case of you claiming that reality is a lie. That is your only defense because the documented facts and videos prove you wrong. And it's a joke of a defense.

Wrong - only a ceasefire and negotiations will return the hostages as Netanyahu already proved. He also just shot three hostages holding white flags, clearly he wants them and all Palestinians dead.
Actually, actually, the only thing it proved is that trying to negotiate with Hamas in good faith is an exercise in futility. Hamas broke the agreement by unilaterally stopping the return of hostages. They've broken every ceasefire.

No, I back equal rights for all regardless of race, you back racist, colonialism implemented through apartheid and genocide. Polar opposites, buddy.
There is no apartheid. Arab citizens of Israel have equal rights including being elected members of parliament. There is no genocide since Israel is going after Hamas and Hamas is not a race. They are terror organization. Nobody claimed that going after Isis was genocide.

Your claims are without merit, dude.
 

shack

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Every one of your posts, Mandy, has a “Israel is not responsible“ logic. Israel is never, ever responsible. Because anyone responsible is accountable….and that’s the last thing an Israeli supporter can cope with. Just like Trump and Giuliani.
Is Hamas responsible for Oct. 7?
 

shack

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Holy shit, I have to say.

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All four have confirmed that they think Israel is apartheid and needs to be more brutally apartheid for 'peace' today.
People are no longer listening to you. BTW, you left out a bunch of others who'd like to be included.

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You are a hasbara troll, shack.

All that proves is you can't debate honestly and have to resort to trolling.
1) Troll - I have repeatedly called BDS to end apartheid so stupid attacks like this are no longer needed, you are a POS for lying.
2) Troll - I have repeatedly called for a ceasefire so nobody on either side gets killed, you are a POS for lying.

Just give up the stupid trolling.
You can't debate for shit...all you do is post pro hamas tweets.. your statement that Israel is a terrorist in its entirety tells us what you are...
 
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richaceg

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No, mandrill, this report which is already 5 days old came from the WHO.

You, shack and basketcase are dismissive of every single legit source of information.
Every single one.
You saying Dec 7 happened because iaraelis was partying too close to the wall thats why hamas killed 1200 of em....was the most dismissive claim of all...
 
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