Israel at war

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No army in the world pimps out there women like the IDF. No self respecting army in the world does this. They have too much respect for their women.
Israeli women have freedom to make whatever videos they like. Muslim women would be stoned to death for that video.

Oppression of women is your thing, obviously. I suspect that you must be anti-abortion, anti birth control, women should not work and just be baby factories.

You are brainwashed.
 
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It worked dropping Fat Man and Little boy killing mostly civilians forcing Japan to surrender and ending WW2. I know it's not the same circumstance as what you're asking but I suspect that was his thought.
Palestinian civilians have been harbouring hamas terrorists for decades.
Sleep with dogs don't be shocked when you catch flees.

I admire Israel for trying other means for decades.
Nuclear weapons were a choice when the US was the only nation who had them, and when the enemy was a different colour. That's what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It's a different world now, with the consequences of nuclear war being totally unacceptable.

I fear that Iran, if it does at some point possess nuclear weapons, is the nation most likely to use them, and probably against Israel.

I can't imagine Israel using its nuclear weapons, except in direct response to a nuclear attack against it.

May it never happen again...
 
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1) It says the attackers' soldiers are immensely inferior to Israel's. And just because Israel gets U.S. funding, it doesn't change the fact that Israel has a vastly superior and more competent force. It is what it is, regardless of the reasons.

2) It also says, and I repeat myself, they are monumentally stupid and/or blinded by hate to continue attacking so many times and get their asses kicked, increase the suffering of their people and as a result they end up being in a worse position than they were previously each time.

So, as usual, your claims, like the one above, are clearly not correct.
You must be proud of the fact that an army with $3.8 billion in annual US funding, with tanks, jets, nukes, drones, missiles, artillery and the 'iron dome' can kill so many civilians. Palestinians have no army, no heavy weapons and no defences. Its just a slaughter.

1) And yet Hamas is still around, 17 years after the blockade and after 5 wars. Its almost like Netanyahu needs them.

2) 5 wars against Gaza and its still the same situation. You must be blinded by hate to think that making it genocide will fix the situation.

What you're pushing will end apartheid Israel.
You'll be left as a pariah, hated by your own people.

 

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Allow me to paraphrase:

"The Oct.7 attack was no big deal. Only 1,400 Israeli Jewish civilians were murdered viciously in a surprise cold-blooded attack. The country will still carry on."
Allow me to paraphrase.

2023 was more of the same, hundreds of Palestinians killed before Oct, now thousands dead on both sides.
Stupidly the country thinks doing the same thing over and over again with more deaths will bring peace.

The only thing different is Netanyahu finally went to far and will bring about the end of apartheid.
 

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Oh for fuck's sake. This lady is lying and talking out of her ass.

Its out and out racism, and apartheid in Israel. Palestinians can come freely as long as the are not carrying pipe bombs? LOL. I think a couple of days ago I read a story of a guy whose wife was fatally ill in Gaza and he was in the west bank and he has never been allowed to go visit her. They have these different ID schemes - blue Id, green id and the like too. Its VERY oppressive.

And by the way, her name is Faith Goldy.


Faith Goldy, also known as Faith Goldy-Bazos, is a Canadian white supremacist who has worked for right-wing Canadian media outlets including Sun News Network and Rebel Media. She has also worked as a reporter for the American anti-immigrant website VDare. Goldy has promoted the "white genocide" narrative, recited the white supremacist "14 words" on an alt-right podcast and appeared on a podcast from The Daily Stormer, a site run by neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin. In August 2017, Goldy attended the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and publicly sympathized with the white supremacist marchers, claiming that the events in Charlottesville pointed to a "rising white racial consciousness" that she asserted would transform the American political landscape.
Oops I wish I haven’t posted it lol.
the fact remains though that no Jew would want to enter gaza after 2006. And if Gazans were allowed into israel without security check israel would become gaza ie a place where no western person would want to set foot.
 

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Oops I wish I haven’t posted it lol.
the fact remains though that no Jew would want to enter gaza after 2006. And if Gazans were allowed into israel without security check israel would become gaza ie a place where no western person would want to set foot.
Faith Goldy?
You posted Faith Goldy?

Your argument is stupid and debunked by Israeli policy.
Israeli Arabs have learned to live peacefully inside the green line with almost equal rights proving that giving them equal rights is what you need to create peace. Bombing them over and over and over and over again and then arguing that they are now too mad about being bombed all the time to live with you is just insane. Israel caused the problem, you need to get over bombing people and learn to live with them.

Israel will have to tear down the Gaza wall, rebuild, offer restitution and end apartheid.
That's the only path towards peace.

Bombing people into submission is fucking insane, stupid and useless.

Faith Goldy is a sign, you need to look at what you've become.

Finkelstein:

 

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Arab Israelis live peacefully though and as modern citizens. Palestinians are not allowed to progress because of the misadventures of their leaders, and the oppression from Isarel. Very sad.
misadventure is when one slips on a banana peel. When you vote to be governed by terrorists and absorb their ideology it should be called something different, no?
 

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Terrorist is a western word. They dont call them or consider them that. I mean generally speaking, one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. But they live in such an oppressive environment, they see Hamas as the only ones standing up for them. They feel the entire world supports Israel but no one except Hamas supports them. It is why Hamas enjoys support.
well, Dagestani Muslims support them

edit - axis of evil become more obvious - Russia and Iran with its proxies hamas and hesbolla are on the same side.
which side are you all on?
 
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Israeli women have freedom to make whatever videos they like. Muslim women would be stoned to death for that video.

Oppression of women is your thing, obviously. I suspect that you must be anti-abortion, anti birth control, women should not work and just be baby factories.

You are brainwashed.
The IDF is putting out these videos of female soldiers while 1400 Israelis are dead? No wonder they were routed by Hamas on Oct 7. Canada certainly doesn’t treat its female soldiers in this way. Nor does the US or any other country, Sad Shack.
 

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It worked dropping Fat Man and Little boy killing mostly civilians forcing Japan to surrender and ending WW2. I know it's not the same circumstance as what you're asking but I suspect that was his thought.
Palestinian civilians have been harbouring hamas terrorists for decades.
Sleep with dogs don't be shocked when you catch flees.
The nuclear attacks on Japan are actually the perfect example to demonstrate the rules of war.

First, the attacks were not punitive. It was not simple retaliation or lust for war. If they were, they would be a war crime.

Secondly, the attacks pass the proportional proportionality analysis. In the case of Hiroshima, the military objectives were the neutralizing of the 2nd General Army, the 59th Army, the 5th Division, the 224th Division, 5 anti-aircraft batteries under the 22nd separate and 45th separate anti-aircraft battalions and the 121st and 122nd anti-aircraft regiments, it was the location of a supply and logistics headquarters, it was a stepping off port for the movement of troops, and it had factories for the manufacture of aircraft, ships, bombs, rifles and handguns. Those are clearly defined military objectives. Hiroshima housed over 440,000 soldiers with only about 340,000 civilians, and the end goal was to end the war without engaging in a land invasion which would necessarily include bombing and naval bombardment and was estimated to cost millions of military and some number more then that civilian lives on the Japanese side alone.

For Nagasaki, it was a naval industrial hub housing almost all of Japan's naval manufacturing as well as a supply and logistics port. Despite these military objectives, the loss of life was still considered, primarily it was one of the least populated cities with military objectives and of all potential targets had the largest number of people involved in military manufacturing at over 90% of all persons present. At the time of the raid, it was estimated that less than 300,000 people were in the area, and that primary goal again factored in the millions of lives that would be lost in the event of a land invasion.

The result was a significant shortening of the war, the decimation of Japanese military manufacturing, particularly naval manufacturing, the neutralization of an entire General Army and several smaller units, and the savings of millions of lives that would be lost in a land invasion, at the expenditure of about 600,000 civilians. The Japanese Imperial Army had told the allies they would need to defeat 20 million Japanese soldiers, and civilian losses are always higher, so 600,000 civilians and 500,000 soldiers were compared to 40+ million Japanese and some dozen or more million allied soldiers. Under proportional proportionality analysis, the bombings were not war crimes.

The post I replied to had said Israel was attacking civilians deliberately in order to get to them to give up their support of Hamas. If so, that is indeed a war crime. That is not a defined military objective as it is pure reciprocity. It's also illogical and insane to think killing someone's family and destroying their home is going to get them to hate your enemy. They're just going to hate you. Israeli is creating more Hamas support, not reducing it. It's also never worked in history. It's a losing strategy. Either Israel has lost their mind, that's not the objective at all, or they are simply killing Gazans for the sake of killing Gazans. It was too be one of those three. It's possible there's some objective we don't know about, and possibly that would pass the proportional proportionality analysis, but no military expert that's studied this that I follow can find that. The conclusion in military circles is clear: Israel is engaged in war crimes.

I admire Israel for trying other means for decades.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I do, however, still disagree that they are justified in committing purely punitive attacks against a civilian population in direct violation of the Geneva and Hague Conventions, and I think it's lunacy to believe that the result will somehow be less support for Hamas.
 
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DinkleMouse

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I'd phrase it this way.

They have no choice but to target areas populated by civilians where they KNOW Hamas is operating and using those civilians as shields.

Israel knows that the world is watching and holding Israel to a higher standard. They have to be certain of what they are doing.
You can phrase it any way you want. It's a war crime and murdering someone's family and destroying their home is not going to make them love you and hate your enemy.

Israel has some of the best special forces in the world. They could deal with suspected Hamas positions without indiscriminately bombing civilians hoping some of them are Hamas members.
 

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You can phrase it any way you want. It's a war crime and murdering someone's family and destroying their home is not going to make them love you and hate your enemy.

Israel has some of the best special forces in the world. They could deal with suspected Hamas positions without indiscriminately bombing civilians hoping some of them are Hamas members.
So there were no homes, no kids in the Nuke attacks on Japan?

And you actually think there was no payback involved for Pearl Harbour?
 

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So there were no homes, no kids in the Nuke attacks on Japan?
You can go back and read I my post were I explain the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan and the civilian losses and why it's different than Gaza, but I know you won't because I've dealt with it before. I'm open to discussions with people that have proven they act in good faith, but that isn't you. Troll somewhere else.

And you actually think there was no payback involved for Pearl Harbour?
I think you've quoted the wrong post. Regardless...

Nowhere did I say that. Like I said: troll elsewhere. You've made it clear you're not interested in a good faith debate.
 
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