Israel at war

[Not getting younger]

I laughed because of the casual insensitivity, lack of thought and self-awareness in saying "Israel can help pick up the pieces". You don't even know what that means. It is just words to you.

Ok “my bad”. And that too might be a little naive. But

Assuming. They launch their ground offensive and deal with as much of Hamas as they can. Yes, someone will fill the void to one degree or another. At some point Hamas might come back. If they are able..

You think many will be tried for war crimes? And assuming some few do. Gaza will still be rubble.

If pressure from the West can be applied to negotiate ( without success). Why can’t pressure be applied to rebuild?

So who is not reading ( laugh) and who is not thinking? You. And who is not a realist. You again.

 

[Butler1000]

No, you don't get it.

IF you push them into violence, by attacking them, then yes.

So the best thing to do is to stop further violence, or atleast as soon as possible, and not give them a reason to indulge in violence.

Total and unconditional victory, isn't remotely possible where the movement is grassroots, and not just a faction.

Then you are stating there aren't innocent civilians here.

 

[Butler1000]

I do not approve of Hamas' tactics and right from my first post I've said Hamas is a terrorist organization and it's members should be hunted down and executed. I've explicitly condemned any deliberate targeting of civilians by Hamas. The use of human shields by Hamas is abhorrent. Hamas are war criminals.

I've been very clear in my condemnations. I ask you to acknowledge you have read my condemnations so that I know I won't have to constantly repeat myself as I have already with you.

"I want Hamas killed but no civilian casualties".......

"Now where did I leave my Unicorn? I want to ride up to my fairy castle"

 

[Butler1000]

No, YOU are stating that.

What do you think grassroots means? It means support of the general populace.

 

[Not getting younger]

You'd have better luck getting Mexico to pay for the wall.

possibly.
a) it’s a suggestion no one has considered.
B) given 50 years of peace negotiation failures. It’s not the definition of insanity.
c) will accomplish something. And has better odds of achieving something.

 

[shack]

That's not exactly true. They are deliberately targeting areas populated by civilians where they suspect Hamas is operating. They know they're killing civilians. They hope they're killing Hamas.

I'd phrase it this way.

They have no choice but to target areas populated by civilians where they KNOW Hamas is operating and using those civilians as shields.

Israel knows that the world is watching and holding Israel to a higher standard. They have to be certain of what they are doing.

 

[shack]

I do not approve of Hamas' tactics and right from my first post I've said Hamas is a terrorist organization and it's members should be hunted down and executed. I've explicitly condemned any deliberate targeting of civilians by Hamas. The use of human shields by Hamas is abhorrent. Hamas are war criminals.

I've been very clear in my condemnations. I ask you to acknowledge you have read my condemnations so that I know I won't have to constantly repeat myself as I have already with you.

TBH, I do not specifically recall any of your previous declarations one way or the other. If you say that you have made these condemnations, then I accept what you say in this post at face value. No problem.

 

[///]

I'm speaking about retaliatory attacks against a largely civilian population in response to terrorist attacks in effort to reduce or eliminate the occurrence of terrorist attacks. That was what shack had proposed. When has that ever worked?

It worked dropping Fat Man and Little boy killing mostly civilians forcing Japan to surrender and ending WW2. I know it's not the same circumstance as what you're asking but I suspect that was his thought.
Palestinian civilians have been harbouring hamas terrorists for decades.
Sleep with dogs don't be shocked when you catch flees.

I admire Israel for trying other means for decades.

 

[Frankfooter]

Obviously you approve of Hamas hiding among the civilians. If they don't care about what happens to their people, why should anybody else? That is the hypocrisy you attempt to hide behind.

Its not happening and its not worth responding to such incredibly stupid claims.

They are targetting Hamas.

If they are the worst fucking army ever.
66% of those they kill are women and children.
That's either totally inept, can't hit a barn, kind of army or they just don't care and want to kill Palestinians.

But maybe you make a case.
Maybe they are just the worst soldiers on the planet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1717080283852541977

 

[Frankfooter]

And Hamas are doing the exact same thing

Hamas never presented a real threat to Israel.
They got outside the prison walls for the first time in 17 years but they have no army or serious weapons.
There was zero chance they posed a serious risk to the country.

In contrast Israel is using the $3.8 billion in US weapons they get from the US to blow up the people in Gaza like fish in a barrel.
There is nowhere to hide and no safety zone.

its very different.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718330453961449598

 

[Frankfooter]

I'd phrase it this way.

They have no choice but to target areas populated by civilians where they KNOW Hamas is operating and using those civilians as shields.

Israel knows that the world is watching and holding Israel to a higher standard. They have to be certain of what they are doing.

I'd phrase it this way.

Gaza is a concentration camp with 2.3 million people, 50% of whom are children, the size of Montreal.
Palestinians have no place they can flee to, there is no safe zone and even hospitals are now targets.

Israel is targeting the entire strip and bombing indiscriminately.
There is no escape if you are a civilian and nowhere safe.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718593137776677218

 

[Butler1000]

No it means the recruitment into those groups, happens from amongst the common people, using religion, culture, politics and calls for revolution as a reason. However, you STILL cannot hold EVERYONE responsible. Support for Hamas, does NOT make one guilty of terrorism. That distinction, as hard as it may be to make, should still be made.

How do you tell the difference? Seriously. Thats why uniforms are important.

Its a shitshow. There are no rules. Hamas has created these conditions, with the tactic approval of the masses. Israel has called for evac. And gave a week. Now, beyond best efforts, its going to be urban warfare. With a shit tons of casualties.

 

[Frankfooter]

It worked dropping Big Boy and Little Man killing mostly civilians forcing Japan to surrender and ending WW2.

Genocide.

 

[///]

Genocide.

A synonym for many wars though out the ages. This particular war isn't special.

 

[shack]

Its not happening and its not worth responding to such incredibly stupid claims.

The whole world, including you, know that Hamas are usung the Gazans as human shields and would not allow them to leave the areas that Israel said would be the most dangerous areas.

If they are the worst fucking army ever.
66% of those they kill are women and children.
That's either totally inept, can't hit a barn, kind of army or they just don't care and want to kill Palestinians.

But maybe you make a case.
Maybe they are just the worst soldiers on the planet.

Yet Israel kicks the ass of all who launch attacks against them and have done so at least a dozen times. What does that say about Hamas and other attackers?

Allow me to answer for you:

1) It says the attackers' soldiers are immensely inferior to Israel's. And just because Israel gets U.S. funding, it doesn't change the fact that Israel has a vastly superior and more competent force. It is what it is, regardless of the reasons.

2) It also says, and I repeat myself, they are monumentally stupid and/or blinded by hate to continue attacking so many times and get their asses kicked, increase the suffering of their people and as a result they end up being in a worse position than they were previously each time.

So, as usual, your claims, like the one above, are clearly not correct.

 

[Leimonis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718673151008157793

 

[shack]

Hamas never presented a real threat to Israel.
They got outside the prison walls for the first time in 17 years but they have no army or serious weapons.
There was zero chance they posed a serious risk to the country.

Allow me to paraphrase:

"The Oct.7 attack was no big deal. Only 1,400 Israeli Jewish civilians were murdered viciously in a surprise cold-blooded attack. The country will still carry on."

 

[shack]

Genocide.

Seeing as the bombs in WWII were not targetted at military sites, a case could be made for your claim.

The stated goal of Israel is to destroy Hamas, not the people of Gaza. As such, it is not Israel's fault that Hamas hides behind innocent citizens during Israel's Hamas targetted attacks and, also as such, it is not genocide by Israel. If anything Hamas is more responsible for the deaths/genocide of Gazans by using them as shields.

You support Hamas' attack of Oct. 7, you support Hamas' tactics during this conflict, ergo you support the deaths/genocide of Gazans. Despicable.

 

[shack]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718673151008157793

Hot. And Israelis soldiers don't have to see Allah in heaven as a prerequisite. (To be fair, I suspect that those girls may not be virgins.)

 

[Leimonis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718541205645021534