Israel at war

[shack]

Getting the US to send $1000 worth of bombs per person in Gaza is messed up.

I think that only the Americans are in a position to decide how much Israel's actions as an ally and proxy in the area is worth to them.

That's what I say over and over. Lobbies and AIPACs etc. are irrelevant, a pittance. It is what Israel does to protect American interests, is why the US continues to help Israel.

As a result, Israeli strategy and diplomacy in regards to the US has proven to be much more effective than Islamic violence.

 

[Frankfooter]

Polls or stats are irrelevant. It's not a quiz.

This is simply your opinion. Nothing more or nothing less.

Are you saying that the most opinionated person on TERB, doesn't know what his own opinion is? That is a nonsensical answer.

I keep telling you that your rabid hate is curdling the blood in your brain. So many of your posts no longer make any sense.

I believe that you feel that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. If you feel that I am wrong, please tell us what you personally believe is the proper percentage. If you do not, then it means that you are accepting my estimate at face value and we can use it in any future discussions. I'm cool with that.

I don't know, Shazi.
In nazi Germany, how many do you think were really nazis and how many just played along to survive?

Same question in Israel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824206936033857545

 

[Frankfooter]

I think that only the Americans are in a position to decide how much Israel's actions as an ally and proxy in the area is worth to them.

That's what I say over and over. Lobbies and AIPACs etc. are irrelevant, a pittance. It is what Israel does to protect American interests, is why the US continues to help Israel.

As a result, Israeli strategy and diplomacy in regards to the US has proven to be much more effective than Islamic violence.

How is making the world hate Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris protecting US interests?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823710684817056001

 

[Valcazar]

300 days later and your views haven't shifted.
I am interested in what you think you can teach people on this thread at this point.

I still hope that if I actually did a post on voting systems and how they work, people would learn something.

But that would be its own thread, not directly related to this one.

 

[Klatuu]

POS Nation when run by Ziontology

We served on Israel's Sde Teiman base. Here's what we did to Gazan detainees

***

www.haaretz.com

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

5:58am and Klatuu is already up posting about how much he hates Israel

 

[mellowjello]

So now, as well as admitting being anti-Semitic you are also admitting to being anti-democratic.

I'm admitting that you're an imbecile.
Is this the best you can come up with?
You're not good at being clever.

 

[Klatuu]

Duly noted by the ICJ and ICC

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824210188603158778

 

[mellowjello]

Come on shack, let's hear you justify this without saying something stupid.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824210188603158778

 

[Frankfooter]

I still hope that if I actually did a post on voting systems and how they work, people would learn something.

But that would be its own thread, not directly related to this one.

I'm sure you have lots to offer on that subject.

On this thread the tides have shifted. There is less of a threat of rump winning and more and more it looks like Harris will continue support of the genocide. Palestine protesters have been waiting to see where she stands but it appears there is no air between her and Biden on this subject after all.

Its clear there is no military goal in Gaza and that continuing this genocide benefits only Netanyahu and the Kahanists in Israel.
Harris has already become Holocaust Harris.

 

[Valcazar]

I'm sure you have lots to offer on that subject.

On this thread the tides have shifted. There is less of a threat of rump winning and more and more it looks like Harris will continue support of the genocide. Palestine protesters have been waiting to see where she stands but it appears there is no air between her and Biden on this subject after all.

Its clear there is no military goal in Gaza and that continuing this genocide benefits only Netanyahu and the Kahanists in Israel.
Harris has already become Holocaust Harris.

Well then, it is your moral duty to stop her and get Trump elected then, isn't it?

 

[shack]

I don't know, Shazi.

In that case you are either an idiot to not know what your own opinion is or a coward to publicly state what it is.

As such, since you don't deny it we'll stick with your belief is that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. I can work with that.

 

[Klatuu]

In that case you are either an idiot to not know what your own opinion is or a coward to publicly state what it is.

As such, since you don't deny it we'll stick with your belief is that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. I can work with that.

Thought disorder

 

[Klatuu]

Come on shack, let's hear you justify this without saying something stupid.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824210188603158778

Shazi won’t. He’s terrified of reality.

 

[Klatuu]

This was predictable

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824441572953354722

 

[Frankfooter]

Well then, it is your moral duty to stop her and get Trump elected then, isn't it?

Why would I choose that option when now is the perfect time for protests to get her to change her policy?
Pre election is the time where politicians have to appear to listen to their voters, as you know.

Why would you try to frame it so idiotically?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824499185111970032

 

[Frankfooter]

In that case you are either an idiot to not know what your own opinion is or a coward to publicly state what it is.

As such, since you don't deny it we'll stick with your belief is that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. I can work with that.

Is that similar to your thoughts that Israel needs to kill more Palestinians?

 

[Valcazar]

Why would I choose that option when now is the perfect time for protests to get her to change her policy?

You just said that it looks like she is going to win and she is Holocaust Harris.
Therefore she must be stopped.

Pre election is the time where politicians have to appear to listen to their voters, as you know.

You have also said that the primary way to do this is to threaten to withhold the votes in key states.
But if she now looks more certain to win, your leverage - based as it is entirely on throwing the election to Trump - is weakeing.

Ergo, weakening Harris is the only moral thing for you to do.

Why would you try to frame it so idiotically?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1824499185111970032

This article isn't idiotic, it's quite good.
But I get you disagree with Waleed Shahid and me on this, as you have pointed out repeatedly.

 

[Frankfooter]

You just said that it looks like she is going to win and she is Holocaust Harris.
Therefore she must be stopped.

Her support for Israel must be stopped through political pressure before the election so she can lose the Holocaust Harris name.
I do hope you don't mark papers using this type of straw man attack. What a waste.

You have also said that the primary way to do this is to threaten to withhold the votes in key states.
But if she now looks more certain to win, your leverage - based as it is entirely on throwing the election to Trump - is weakeing.

Ergo, weakening Harris is the only moral thing for you to do.

Straw man.
Dems against genocide, all 80% of them, can pressure for change. For those where this is a major issue they can threaten 'uncommitted', not voting or voting for Stein. That's their choice.

Why are you against using the powers of democracy, voters using mass movements and protest to force change when politicians won't listen to them?

This article isn't idiotic, it's quite good.

But I get you disagree with Waleed Shahid and me on this, as you have pointed out repeatedly.

Shahid argues, as I do, that you must use political pressure to change politicians policy.
You argued that its pragmatic to just vote for genocide instead.

I understand that you think keeping rump out of power is more important than trying to change the US so they don't spend nearly a $1 trillion on genocide and instead use that money for social services, debt reduction or student loans.

But then you get this.

 

[Valcazar]

Her support for Israel must be stopped through political pressure before the election so she can lose the Holocaust Harris name.
I do hope you don't mark papers using this type of straw man attack. What a waste.

OK, let's pretend you are arguing in good faith.

What qualifies as "stopped" in the sentence "Her support for Israel must be stopped"?

And, just for fun follow-up, if it isn't "stopped", what should take place?
If it is "stopped", what should take place?

Please remember that you've argued consistently that electoral considerations don't matter, only the morality of casting a vote that supports genocide.

Straw man.
Dems against genocide, all 80% of them, can pressure for change. For those where this is a major issue they can threaten 'uncommitted', not voting or voting for Stein. That's their choice.

Who ever said it wasn't their choice?

Why are you against using the powers of democracy, voters using mass movements and protest to force change when politicians won't listen to them?

I'm not.
I never have been.
I've been pointing out that your tactics are bad.

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/uncommitted-biden-harris-primary/

Shahid argues, as I do, that you must use political pressure to change politicians policy.
You argued that its pragmatic to just vote for genocide instead.

Wow.
You have severe reading comprehension issues, don't you?

Shahid and I are in very close agreement on this matter, as you can tell if you read the article.

I understand that you think keeping rump out of power is more important than trying to change the US so they don't spend nearly a $1 trillion on genocide and instead use that money for social services, debt reduction or student loans.

Oh, I noticed that earlier.

You keep classifying purchases as spending, why is that?

You see the US selling 20 billion in arms and then complain they could have spent that 20 billion on schools and social services.
Why do you do that?
Do you think no one notices?

But then you get this.

Yup.
I can see how you clearly are positioning these people as gettable votes.