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Butler1000

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  1. Nope it is a genocide. The UN Special Report - Anatomy of a Genocide along with the cases at the ICJ beg to differ.
  2. I have never called for Jews to go back to Europe - that is an outright lie. I said they are settler colonialists from Europe, which is true. It is also a matter of historical fact, that Americans and Canadians and Australians are settler colonialists. I mean you may not be, because you were born here, and I am not either, because I immigrated, but the original inhabitants of Canada and the US were not white people or even black people. They were indigeneous people and there were no countries called Canada or the USA. These were formed subsequently by settler colonialists so it is a statement of fact that these are two colonial nations. I dont say this about Europe though, which is also "Western".
  3. Because it isn't as much of a concern given the short duration of Pride and the very few people who do it.
  4. Your criticisms should be based on actual knowledge of said medical procedures, or atleast cite peer reviewed studies to make a point. Making points based on how you feel about transgender folks, is basically an expression of your own biases, which is why it is rightfully called transphobic.
  5. Sure. India is racist as well. I agree. It ought not to be and we should do more to raise awareness and educate people. But we are not in India. We are in Canada. Where racism is alive and well. So let us tackle our problems here and leave India's problems to Indians who live in India.

Nope. Not just physical differences.
  • Discrimination, hostility, differential treatment, differential application of laws etc against individuals of a particular skin colour, ethnic group, religious group, caste, sect, or any other demographic characteristic is racism.
  • Appreciation or exoticization of individuals of a particular skin colour, ethnic group, religious group, caste, sect or any other demographic characteristic is racism.
  • Discrimination, hostility, or stereotyping individuals of a particular culture, or assuming behavioural traits based on these stereotypes, is xenophobia, which is also racism because that inevitably leads to #1.
  • Supremacist political movements such as ultra-nationalism, Nazism, Zionism, which others and divides people, based on certain demographic characteristics, are racist and rely on racism to advance their argument.
There are others that I am sure I have missed. But this is just off the top of my head.

Oh and also:

Then by your definition all the Muslims are Settler Colonists as they didn't exist until long past Jews did.

And thanks for proving I'm right by stating you think the definition should change. It shouldn't by the way. You just need to use the correct terms.
 

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No they are indigeneous. They are people who have lived in those lands for 1000s of years. Also the definition of racism has long been accepted the way I defined it for you, in my previous post. Where have you been?
Muslims didn't. You need to decide if you are going to define people's race by their religious choice or ethnicity. Which is it?

If its by ethnic background then you acknowledge religion doesn't apply to race. If it does then they are the interlopers. And remember it means that all people who ever moved, by your definition are colonists dating back 1000 years and therefore are not legitimate.

In the real world thats just not going to happen.
 
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Muslims didn't. You need to decide if you are going to define people's race by their religious choice or ethnicity. Which is it?

If its by ethnic background then you acknowledge religion doesn't apply to race. If it does then they are the interlopers. And remember it means that all people who ever moved, by your definition are colonists dating back 1000 years and therefore are not legitimate.

In the real world thats just not going to happen.
It’s a concept you can’t seem to grasp but racism is in the mind of the racist, it’s not a quality or property of the victims. It’s a projection on to victims by the racist.

Racism abounds everywhere. Races don’t exist. Scientific advances tells us that.

All racists are ill informed, by definition. I fear that’s the reason you can’t wrap your head around this.

“1. Racism can be defined in many ways. A broad, general definition is used here in order to have a common understanding of the concept. However, there is a problem in that the term 'racism' presupposes the existence of different races. Recital (6) of Directive 2000/43/EC (Racial Equality Directive) states that 'The European Union rejects theories which attempt to determine the existence of separate human races.'
2. According to the EU acquis, and specifically Art. 1 of the Council Framework Decision 2008/913/JHA, offences concerning racism and xenophobia are considered to be:
(a) publicly inciting to violence or hatred directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin;”

 

Butler1000

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It’s a concept you can’t seem to grasp but racism is in the mind of the racist, it’s not a quality or property of the victims. It’s a projection on to victims by the racist.

Racism abounds everywhere. Races don’t exist. Scientific advances tells us that.

All racists are ill informed, by definition. I fear that’s the reason you can’t wrap your head around this.

“1. Racism can be defined in many ways. A broad, general definition is used here in order to have a common understanding of the concept. However, there is a problem in that the term 'racism' presupposes the existence of different races. Recital (6) of Directive 2000/43/EC (Racial Equality Directive) states that 'The European Union rejects theories which attempt to determine the existence of separate human races.'
2. According to the EU acquis, and specifically Art. 1 of the Council Framework Decision 2008/913/JHA, offences concerning racism and xenophobia are considered to be:
(a) publicly inciting to violence or hatred directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin;”

Definitions matter. Religion is not a race. Its religious discrimination. Just because someone wants to change a definition because they want to be a victim doesn't make them one.
 

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Islam originated amongst people that lived in the Middle East and spread throughout the world. This isn't new information.

And despite Islam and Judaism etc being religions, antisemitism and Islamophobia are forms of racism. I explained to you and you have already admitted to this.

If you now say Islamophobia is not racism, the you are saying antisemitism is not racist either and it follows that you are arguing that the Nazis were not racist. So you need to make up your mind about what it is that you are saying. So I ask you again. Are you saying the Nazis aren't racist?

And yes, there have been lots of colonial endeavours throughout time. Those colonial projects have subjected people to genocide and cruelty throughout history. So what?

Only one in the present moment is genociding the indigeneous people. That is Israel. Not Canada. Not the US. Not the Muslims. No one else, except Israel.
Its not. Are Scientologists a race?
 

Butler1000

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I ask you again. Are you saying Nazis are not racist?
Yes. They hated black people too. Also homophobic for hating Gays. Also religious discrimination for hating Jews.

They basically hated everything and everyone.

Just a big ol bag of hate, eugenics, supremacy. A perfect storm of everything humans can do that is wrong.

Now, what race are Scientologists. It I critique them, is it racist?
 

Butler1000

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So you are saying that the Nazis genociding 6M Jews in the holocaust is NOT racist? You do know that the Nazis had an elaborate racial theory and research and propaganda, right? See the hole you've dug for yourself?


The Holocaust is an event central to our understanding of western civilization, the nation state, modern bureaucratic society, and human nature. It was the premeditated mass murder of millions of innocent civilians. Driven by a racist ideology that regarded Jews as “parasitic vermin” worthy only of eradication, the Nazis implemented genocide on an unprecedented scale.
You've lost....no need to continue this.
 

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Definitions matter. Religion is not a race. Its religious discrimination. Just because someone wants to change a definition because they want to be a victim doesn't make them one.
No, all definitions of race are cultural.
That could be religion, language, skin colour (its not genetic) or just the culture within a border or area.
 

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Israel loves women so much they killed 15,000 Palestinian women.
Since you didn't disagree with my statement and changed the topic you agree that women in many Muslim countries are discriminated against compared to the men and those countries are practising apartheid.
 

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'Ilk' is another racial term.
What you won't do is define what this 'ilk' is.
Geno, when it comes to you and your ilk, no explanation is required. If you actually DO need a definition your mind is further gone than I ever suspected.
 

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You've lost....no need to continue this.
Good for you.

I've ended immediately some discussions with him, based on the old adage of never argue with an idiot. They'll only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Some of our debates have descended to the point of complete abandonment of logic where I dare not to venture.
 
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