Israel at war

[basketcase]

I dont want to start in 1919 or 1948, because there is no point in doing so when thinking about what we should do next. I have already said I reject the premise of Israel. If I was God, or had the miraculous power to turn back the clock, Israel would not exist as a country AT ALL and we would not be having this discussion.

That is an outright blatant lie. Quote my post where I said that.

What hypocrisy. If you want to deal with what to do next, then there's no reason to start in 1967.

Next should be pressuring both sides to negotiate something that works for the 10 million Israelis, 5 million in West Bank and Gaza, and the millions of refugees and descendants.

And it is moronic to claim Canada's theft of land created a legitimate state but say it's illegitimate for Jews to continue being in the Middle East.

 

[basketcase]

Well Israel wont give up settlements. IMO, whoever you appoint as the Palestinian representative, the Palestinian side should just accept what they have. Like Gaza, Area A and Area B - if that is all they are getting, in return for forming a sovereign state, they should accept. Form the state first and everything else next.

Except they have in the past and Olmert's offer in 2008 offered a completely contiguous Palestinian state.

And sorry but why would anyone offer a state before working out any details or even getting the other side to accept that state as a permanent resolution to the conflict?

 

[Frankfooter]

Well Israel wont give up settlements. IMO, whoever you appoint as the Palestinian representative, the Palestinian side should just accept what they have. Like Gaza, Area A and Area B - if that is all they are getting, in return for forming a sovereign state, they should accept. Form the state first and everything else next.

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That's a problem.
First, keeping the settlements is a war crime.
Second, if you do, all you're left with are Bantustans.

How would that be different from the de facto apartheid state there now?

 

[Butler1000]

You know as well as anyone that "number of people killed" isn't the defining characteristic of genocide.

So of course those lives don't matrer then..

 

[shack]

I said that religious extremists who think they are the chosen people believe that, hammy.

That's strange because the entirety of what you typed was this:

I think there is an exception for all chosen people, they can do no wrong and slaughtering lesser humans is part of their path of righteousness.

I don't see what you claim. For sure, though, I see that you called Palestinians "lesser humans". You keep referring to genocide, so there's denying that's who you meant.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786951063066890692

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786843129875779961

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786848134980628679

 

[mandrill]

Armed Gazan gangs, some thought tied to Hamas, steal $70 million from Bank of Palestine

French daily Le Monde reports funds taken from the vaults of several branches in the Strip by groups armed with explosives, commandos who answer to 'Gaza's highest authorities'

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[canada-man]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787075163864895528

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786877064240402673

 

[Klatuu]

Anything you say Grandad

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786952434989896008

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786920887746207856

 

[Frankfooter]

That's strange because the entirety of what you typed was this:

I think there is an exception for all chosen people, they can do no wrong and slaughtering lesser humans is part of their path of righteousness.

I don't see what you claim. For sure, though, I see that you called Palestinians "lesser humans". You keep referring to genocide, so there's denying that's who you meant.

Do you think the zionists who call themselves the 'chosen people' think that slaughtering the Palestinians they refuse basic human rights to think they are on a path to righteousness, hammy? Under Israeli apartheid, Palestinians have zero human rights, do you think that makes them legally 'lesser humans' than Israeli Jews?

Do you support keeping Palestinians legally as 'lesser humans' on your own path to righteousness on this board?
Is that why you keep arguing they are not part of the 'civilized world'?

Will you stand by me and categorically state Palestinians are full humans who deserve all basic human rights, including the right to self defence and the Universal Right of Return? Or are you still here arguing they don't deserve the same right as all other humans?

The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.

 

[Frankfooter]

True. It should atleast start there and they could may be get Israel to surrender Area C. But I think a Bantustan is better than Israeli oppression and governance. I think benefits such as freedom of movement, freedom to elect their own leaders freedom to conduct their own business etc., is more important right now.

How is that any different from Oct 6?

 

[canada-man]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787087255565193456

 

[Klatuu]

Zionism really doesn't know how to cope with Western values

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787065424649302221

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786848134980628679

Levy is so outrageous that even the IDF fired him for lying too much.

Meanwhile, Israel is so scared of letting Israelis know what they are doing in Gaza that they banned Al Jazeera.

Al Jazeera condemns Israeli government decision to shut down local offices

Israeli cabinet votes unanimously to close the network’s operations in Israel with immediate effect.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786711296697626858

 

[mandrill]

Zionism really has doesn't know how to cope with Western values

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787065424649302221

Western countries shut down opponents' media outlets in times of war. Churchill shut down Nazi propagandists in Britain in WW2. Ukraine shuts down pro Kremlin outlets.

This is standard.