Israel at war

squeezer

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But it hasn't yet.

Why?
The answer to the why is easy peasy. Why doesn't Hamas lay down their weapons, all surrender, give up their lavish lifestyle in Qatar and come in to face the music and lastly, RELEASE ALL THE DAMN hostages they took on their terrorist rampage on Oct. 7. SO simple yet, so hard to understand if you're standing firm on the side of Hamas.
 

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The answer to the why is easy peasy. Why doesn't Hamas lay down their weapons, all surrender, give up their lavish lifestyle in Qatar and come in to face the music and lastly, RELEASE ALL THE DAMN hostages they took on their terrorist rampage on Oct. 7. SO simple yet, so hard to understand if you're standing firm on the side of Hamas.
Ah, the rapist wants the victim to stop fighting back or they will have to break their arms, their face and kill their children.
If Hamas surrenders Israel goes through and kills every male they think might be Hamas and every woman and child who might support them,.
As Netanyahu and his government repeatedly have declared.

He offers a choice: die or surrender and die, you'd pick surrender and die?

Netanyahu says, ‘We fight until victory’

The Israeli prime minister has given his latest vow that fighting in Gaza would not stop until the “elimination of Hamas”.
“The choice I offer to Hamas is very simple: surrender or die,” he said in a video message. “They don’t have and won’t have any other choice.”
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Sure…Merkava and Abrahms sounds so similar….lol. Easy mistake to make if you don’t know much about the subject.
And those destroyed tanks are devoid of tracks and covered with holes penetrating their armor. You forgot what looked like mortally wounded occupation thugs. And those RPGs can certainly defeat the Trophy system if close enough. Hamas trained the resistance fighters on the method
So the best you can come up with is a couple of disabled (not destroyed) tanks and that's all you got??!! :D
 
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bver_hunter

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Well, it is not such a rosy picture as portrayed by Israel's army's offensive in Gaza:

Israel is losing the war against Hamas – but Netanyahu and his government will never admit it

The official narrative has been that Hamas is weakened, but in reality the IDF’s doctrine of massive force is failing

 

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Well, it is not such a rosy picture as portrayed by Israel's army's offensive in Gaza:

Israel is losing the war against Hamas – but Netanyahu and his government will never admit it

The official narrative has been that Hamas is weakened, but in reality the IDF’s doctrine of massive force is failing

No. Just because some asshole writes an Op Ed in the Guardian does not make it true. Sorry.
 

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Its the same as fighting the Taliban. They can't beat you, but you can't win either. Ideologies cannot be defeated via bombings and people get ideologies mixed up with factions.
The only smart thing that "The Muslim Brotherhood" has said on TERB this week.

But we'll see.
 

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bver_hunter

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The answer to the why is easy peasy. Why doesn't Hamas lay down their weapons, all surrender, give up their lavish lifestyle in Qatar and come in to face the music and lastly, RELEASE ALL THE DAMN hostages they took on their terrorist rampage on Oct. 7. SO simple yet, so hard to understand if you're standing firm on the side of Hamas.
Hamas needs to be fully condemned for the massacre that started this whole war between them and Israel. But Netanyahu clearly stated that this war could last for months.
The reason is that the IDF are not presently eliminating that many Hamas militants. (See my above post) If Hamas were cornered they would have either killed or released all those hostages.
This will be a long dragged out war and the only victims are bound to be the Palestinian women and children. Unless both Netanyahu and Hamas agree to a Two State Solution I think that this will be just the beginning of a long conflict in the region that could eventually drag The West Bank into the mix!!
 
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bver_hunter

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No. Just because some asshole writes an Op Ed in the Guardian does not make it true. Sorry.
But then why does Netanyahu admit that this war will take a number of months and the end is not in sight?
See, you cannot trust all the facts from both sides of this conflict. What makes this Journalist an "asshole"? We have to wait to see whether what he stated has the substance or not. But with Netanyahu digging his heels into a long term conflict means once again that all is not that rosy on the Israeli side of the conflict. Otherwise why are also the vast majority of nations around the Globe wanting an immediate ceasefire?
 
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Well, so if you acknowledge that as smart, then it automatically follows that it makes no sense to carpet bomb Gaza, and kill 20,000 people. Will our resident TERB "Kahanists" now immediately pivot?
That’s why IDF is not carpet bombing
 

bver_hunter

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The majority of Israelis just do not support Netanyahu's handling of this crisis:

Poll shows Gantz’s party soaring as Likud nosedives, Smotrich out of Knesset
Survey finds National Unity leader preferred over Netanyahu for prime minister; Bennett, who could win 13 seats with a new party, also seen as a possible replacement

 

Frankfooter

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Israel isn't occupying Gaza, Farfar.

Hamas raided Israel and killed 1,200 Israelis. Just like Hitler invaded Poland and killed the Jews there.
Israel occupies Gaza, Goebbels. Don't be idiotic, your propaganda game is old and tired.
Israel's blockade of Gaza is an act of war, the occupation is illegal, the blockade is illegal, apartheid is illegal.
On top of that Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation.

The only points you get are that for the first time in 17 years Hamas got outside the concentration camp walls where Israel went nuts and implement the Hannibal Doctrine killing everyone on both sides. Nobody knows how many were killed by the IDF or Hamas, but there are a lot of destroyed cars and houses with tank damage. Regardless, Palestinian resistance to the occupation does not justify war crimes like genocide.

Nothing justifies genocide, Goebbels.

Q&A: Former UN expert stresses Israel’s occupation of Gaza never ended
Al Jazeera speaks to former UN special rapporteur Michael Lynk about reality of Israel’s control over besieged enclave.


The IDF story about what happened on Oct 7 is likely as accurate as their claims about al-Shifa.
 
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