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Israel at war

mitchell76

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I recognize Israel. I am saying at the time of the Balfour declaration, it wasn't fair to the Arabs. But as I said earlier, those things are in the past. Today Israel is a legitimate state. Enough time has passed anyway.
How very nice of you to recognize Israel.....LMAO
 

shack

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Clearly that justifies killing 10,000 people, destroying their homes, starving them, depriving them of water and ruling them through apartheid.
Clearly Hamas knew in advance that hell was coming down upon them when they launched the terrorist attack of Oct. 7.

It didn't seem to bother or deter them (or YOU) then, why does it bother you now. You've endorsed Oct. 7 knowing what the repercussions, ergo, you support the 10,000 deats. And furthermore you support the deaths of, who knows how many, more by not endorsing a Hamas surrender and release of hostages, which would result in the immediate cessation of more innocent Gazans.

Why do you favour death and destruction? Why do you love when so much unnecessary blood is spilled? Why are you a warmonger?

Admit that you know what I suggest would save so many more Gazan lives.
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mitchell76

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I won't speak for others. I will speak for myself.

I have called out October 7 as a terrorist attack. I consider Hamas as a terrorist group. I do think Hamas need to be neutralized. But how, they take out Hamas is where my dispute is. Not by carpet bombing Gaza.

I also do not believe in taking Hamas to the Hague. They are a terrorist group, so perhaps a covert military operation is needed to take them out or cripple them by targeting their leaders. Israel am not sure how the ICC will be able to do anything, since Israel is not even a signatory to the ICC. I would care more about ousting Bibi and electing a government that is open to ending the conflict via dialogue.
The ICC can't do anything!!
 

squeezer

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Hilarious.
You think its one sided to expect both sides to negotiate and concede points.
And you think that makes you credible?

Describe what you think that what the endstate would be if Hamas surrenders completely.
So you believe Hamas can dictate a negotiation because they come from a position of strength??

Hamas started it, Israel is dead set on finishing it, which involves eliminating Hamas. If Hamas would release the hostages and step aside it would end the bombings but of course not, they won't do it because they do not give a rat's ass about their people. You should be screaming for HAMAS to step down to save your people, not defend them and believe Israel will negotiate with a terrorist organization.
 
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shack

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It's funny that frank claims that the entire world is against Israel, yet there is not one single, solitary country that has the conviction to back up their words with actions. They'll condemn Israel from the comfort of their embassies, but leave the Palestinians out to dry.

A maxim that always holds true: Actions talk louder than words. By their actions, or lack thereof, the world is showing how much they support Hamas. Diddly squat. Hamas are the pariahs of the world.
 

shack

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If Hamas is using shields then killing those human shields is still a war crime.
So as long as you can declare it a war crime, it's ok for Hamas to keep putting civilians in harms way. Declaring it a war crime is not going to save any lives.

Being able to blame is Israel is satisfaction enough to not care if Hamas is doing this to the Gazans.

At least we know where your priorities are.
 
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versitile1

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I don't know if you do...Israeli Covert ops don't drop their agents in hostile territories...that's not how they operate...
You're watching too much movies...Covert ops does the investigation, surveilance and confirmation...they rarely do sleeper jobs in hostile territories. they rarely give up their position and identity...they seek out target and relay info...how do you think Israel found out about the tunnels and where the rockets are being fired? they don't operate the way you hope they do....
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shack

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I'm sure that the IDF will release more and more photos they claim are evidence and their loyal minions will unquestionably accept what the IDF says, despite the overwhelming evidence of the war crimes they have committed.
I asked you what kind of evidence would it take for you to believe that Hamas is using human shields. You didn't answer.
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shack

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Palestinians are getting the short end of all this....because of Hamas...how many times have you seen articles, videos and interviews with Hamas leaders they will fight Israel....regardless of how many palestinians die in their cause....
frank just loves to see people die instead. He's a warmonger.
 

shack

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Frankfooter

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There's that phrase again...75 years of oppression...so let's forget anything past 75 years where Jews were displaced and massacred...let's just pick a date to start where you can conveniently defend your argument....
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.
I expect you can't answer any of these questions.

 

lomotil

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For Hamas, life is cheap, they do not advance the cause of the Palestinians at all and bring ruin to Gaza and their inhabitants at least what is left of them anyway. The Hamas top officials are not even in Gaza anyway.

As Golda Meir said, "... We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. There will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel."
 
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Israel and Hamas both did. Israel made the choice to bomb Gaza. They could have chosen to do something else entirely. May be covert ops to take out Hamas leaders, diplomacy etc., But they chose to carpet bomb with no real long term results, killing 10,000+ people.
You keep repeating that tripe, yet can’t giv a single other thing they might realistically do. Saying it over and over and over and over, doesn’t change a thing either.
 

shack

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Charlottesville was right winger/white supremacists.
It matters not what their motivation is. They're just Jew haters. You are just helping to prove my point that Jews have been hated throughout history by all sorts of people.

Seeing as it's not that far away, it's quite easy to believe that a lot of those people from Charlottesville, Virginia could buy some Palestinian flags, wrap their faces in those Palestinian scarves and take a quick drive to D.C. to be part of those rallies last weekend. They pretend to show that they're pro-Palestinian but at their heart, they're just anti-Semitic and are simply looking for an excuse to incite hatred toward the Jewish state..
 
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Frankfooter

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Yup, 80% of dems support a ceasefire.
The longer this lasts the more they'll be pissed at Biden.

Voting for someone who is backing genocide just isn't a choice lots of people want to make.

Now Herzog wants US Universities to stop protests for Palestine. A foreign government demanding that the US stop students from protesting against genocide. That should really play well with dems.

 
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