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I am an occasional customer at a grocery store operated by devout Muslims from Bangladesh. They treat me with great respect because, among other things, I frequently stop in just to make a small donation to their charity box, to help build an Islamic school for girls in Bangladesh.

Some years ago, the brother in law of one of the employees, (a cartage driver), told me where his truck was parked in Regent Park. It contained the belongings of a woman who had died, and I was told to take anything I wanted, and he would take whatever I didn't want to the dump. The contents were mainly 'old woman's clothing', books, and small knickknacks, but the clothes were high end, as the woman had been the wife of a Jewish doctor. I helped him out by taking everything from the truck, so he wouldn't have to pay the dumping expenses. I had a great time giving away all of the clothing at Margaret's Place and The Good Shepherd, and at least 30 different people were given a specific item that I thought would appeal to them.

The only items with true cash value were two silver candlestick holders, probable worth about $120. I gave them to the grocery store for their donation box, but the gentleman at the cash register said that 'he could not have silver in the store'. I told him that, in my culture, it's considered very rude to request that a gift be returned, once given. He didn't know whom the truck driver was, but would ask around. I told him that if the store could not accept the silver as a charitable donation, my request was that they be given to the truck driver. Under the circumstances in which I acquired the candlestick holders, I felt it would be bad karma to sell them at a pawn shop.

Question: Why would devout Muslims not want to receive a silver donation, and are there any other precious metals that would be anathema to them?

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Question: Why would devout Muslims not want to receive a silver donation, and are there any other precious metals that would be anathema to them?
Why would it have anything to do with Islam?
It could be any sort of cultural taboo.
 

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Don't know about Silver but Muslims are not allowed to charge interest because, well because, they are Muslims. I tried this once on a banker who happened to be Muslim about charging me interest on my PLC. Damn! He said he is not changing me interest but it is TD Bank charging me the interest and TD Bank is not Muslim. I then said but he is aiding and abetting. That didn't work either. Yes, it was all in good fun.

"The concept of charging interest – known as Riba in Islam – is against the religion's principle of ‘fair distribution’ because it increases inequality. When interest is charged, the lender ends up with more and the borrower with less than they both started with – the rich become richer while the poor become poorer." Actually, the poor isn't really poorer because he used that borrowed money to buy an 8K TV so he is one 8K TV richer. Or, he could have pissed the money away on wine, song and women.

I was going to post a pic of my dog but Muslims are not allowed to like dogs.
 

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Don't know about Silver but Muslims are not allowed to charge interest because, well because, they are Muslims. I tried this once on a banker who happened to be Muslim about charging me interest on my PLC. Damn! He said he is not changing me interest but it is TD Bank charging me the interest and TD Bank is not Muslim. I then said but he is aiding and abetting. That didn't work either. Yes, it was all in good fun.

"The concept of charging interest – known as Riba in Islam – is against the religion's principle of ‘fair distribution’ because it increases inequality. When interest is charged, the lender ends up with more and the borrower with less than they both started with – the rich become richer while the poor become poorer." Actually, the poor isn't really poorer because he used that borrowed money to buy an 8K TV so he is one 8K TV richer. Or, he could have pissed the money away on wine, song and women.

I was going to post a pic of my dog but Muslims are not allowed to like dogs.
Christians are supposed to not charge interest either. Neither are Jews.
People just keep redefining it along the lines of your Muslim banker so that they can loophole their way out of it.
 
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Why would it have anything to do with Islam?
It could be any sort of cultural taboo.
The employees abide by the letter of the Koran, but they don't speak English well enough to explain why they could not accept the donation. I'm hoping a Muslim member can give me an answer; your reply is just questions and conjecture.
 

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Christians are supposed to not charge interest either.
Holy shit! Why did you tell me that? Please say no more. Now I can't plea ignorance when I insist on credit interest on my GIC's. LOL!

Question: Are corporate dividends ok? I'm an owner of TD Bank and I do like to get my quarterly dividends. On the other hand, I don't have any tenants so no need to charge rent.

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The employees abide by the letter of the Koran, but they don't speak English well enough to explain why they could not accept the donation. I'm hoping a Muslim member can give me an answer; your reply is just questions and conjecture.
I've never heard of anything in the Koran to do with not accepting silver.
But most religions are full of stuff that aren't in their holy text anyway.
Lots of people think that the Rapture is a Christian belief but it is extra-biblical and only believed by a minority of sects.

Did they even say they were refusing because of the Koran?
 

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Holy shit! Why did you tell me that? Please say no more. Now I can't plea ignorance when I insist on credit interest on my GIC's. LOL!

Question: Are corporate dividends ok? I'm an owner of TD Bank and I do like to get my quarterly dividends. On the other hand, I don't have any tenants so no need to charge rent.
Rent isn't usury. Interest is. Any interest.
But don't worry, most sects of Christianity redefined it to mean "unfair interest on loans" ages ago.
You're fine.
 

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Rent isn't usury. Interest is. Any interest.
But don't worry, most sects of Christianity redefined it to mean "unfair interest on loans" ages ago.
You're fine.
Very interesting. Learn something new (at least to me). The only "unfair interest" is the tiny pittance the banks pay for the use of my money. One small broker (not the large reputable banks and brokers) even charged me a fee to transfer my money to my bank account because a broker is not allowed to have chequing accounts and I wasn't about to take a large sum in cash (maybe they would also charge for cash withdrawals as well).
 

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...Did they even say they were refusing because of the Koran?
No, he said 'we can't have silver in the store', but he didn't explain why. One funny thing about that store is that if you want to buy fresh vegetables, he doesn't give you a price. He asks you how much you want to pay. He was not offended by my gesture, he just wouldn't allow the candlestick holders to be donated to the charity. To me, silver equates directly with money, because the two are virtually interchangeable. The donation box is International, so I give them any Euro coins that come my way. They can't be converted at a bank. I'll ask one of the guys giving away free Korans at Dundas Square. I saw one guy with a sign that said 'Free Koran'. I said "Free Koran? I didn't even know he was in jail".
 

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God says charging interest is a sin, but be sure to pay us your tithe on time...
 

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No, he said 'we can't have silver in the store', but he didn't explain why. One funny thing about that store is that if you want to buy fresh vegetables, he doesn't give you a price. He asks you how much you want to pay. He was not offended by my gesture, he just wouldn't allow the candlestick holders to be donated to the charity. To me, silver equates directly with money, because the two are virtually interchangeable. The donation box is International, so I give them any Euro coins that come my way. They can't be converted at a bank. I'll ask one of the guys giving away free Korans at Dundas Square. I saw one guy with a sign that said 'Free Koran'. I said "Free Koran? I didn't even know he was in jail".
Men who follow Shafi teachings are only allowed one small silver ring as jewelry, other than that it's forbidden.

The situation that you're referring to sounds more cultural though.
 

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I am an occasional customer at a grocery store operated by devout Muslims from Bangladesh. They treat me with great respect because, among other things, I frequently stop in just to make a small donation to their charity box, to help build an Islamic school for girls in Bangladesh.
Thanks!
It's one of those things, guys are not allowed to wear yellow either.
 

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supposed to not charge interest either. Neither are Jews.
When I was in high school we had this maniac English Lit teacher from the U.K. so we read Shakespeare, Conrad, Dickens and an Emily something.

Anyway, we read The Merchant of Venice and the famous "pound of flesh". Doubt they would allow that book in school now (anti-semitic?). Or, maybe they still do?
 

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When I was in high school we had this maniac English Lit teacher from the U.K. so we read Shakespeare, Conrad, Dickens and an Emily something.

Anyway, we read The Merchant of Venice and the famous "pound of flesh". Doubt they would allow that book in school now (anti-semitic?). Or, maybe they still do?
We also read The Merchant of Venice, often with an LP recording of a performance. Some scenes were on the record, but had been censored from the school text. This, said by Lorenzo, for instance:

I shall answer that better to the commonwealth than
you can the getting up of the negro's belly: the
Moor is with child by you, Launcelot.
 

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What kind of candle sticks(beside being silver)? What's the mark/proof on the bottom? It was mentioned that the woman was a wife of a Jewish doctor; is that correct?
 

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What kind of candle sticks(beside being silver)? What's the mark/proof on the bottom? It was mentioned that the woman was a wife of a Jewish doctor; is that correct?
I don't know about the mark, I only had the candlestick holders for a few days, four years ago. The woman had been the wife of a Jewish doctor who was also a Holocaust survivor. Even as a preteen, he was skilled at repairing machines, so he was worth more to the Nazis alive than dead.
 
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