Is Joe Biden after 10 months: Worst president ever?

JohnLarue

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Biden GDP growth 6.5%.
Trump never got above 3%. Obama highest 3.1%.

6.5% growth relative to a year, when the pandemic drove economic lockdowns?
That is not an awe inspiring accomplishment and certainly not a relevant year for comparisons to anyone's record

if you lose 10 lbs in weight would you think it should be compared to the 15 lbs lost by a 350 pounder ?
 

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6.5% growth relative to a year, when the pandemic drove economic lockdowns?
That is not an awe inspiring accomplishment and certainly not a relevant year for comparisons to anyone's record

if you lose 10 lbs in weight would you think it should be compared to the 15 lbs lost by a 350 pounder ?
Of course. But this idea that the economy is pathetic is belied by the numbers. The numbers show strong and rapid recovery. Trump would be screaming these numbers from the rooftop. Thus my issue is people claiming its good or bad without providing evidence. Comparing trumps first 3 years to obamas last 3 years is a good comparison (and it shows roughly the same economy/GDP. My problem is pundits claiming 2.4% growth is pathetic when O was president, but 2.4% growth was roaring when T was president). Include the pandemic year ...well, we know why it took a dump. Obamas first year had a similar problem to Trumps last.

Even if it is not the best comparison, it is still something to compare. Thus someone claims it's pathetic. 6% isn't.
 

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Up against some pretty fierce competition. Andrew "Indian Killer" Jackson would get my vote, but George W wins by a country mile. Donald Trump killed less people but he is in there. Biden is a lifer. Gold bricker, so no surprises there. At least he's not Trump, or Bush.
 
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toguy5252

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I have no read any of the prior posts. I am simply commenting on the headline which must be one of the funniest. It might just as easily have been. "Is Biden being investigated for insurance and tax fraud and trying to over throw the last election".. I could go on but you probably get my point. the OP should probably read up on projection. Too funny.
 

JohnLarue

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Of course. But this idea that the economy is pathetic is belied by the numbers. The numbers show strong and rapid recovery. Trump would be screaming these numbers from the rooftop. Thus my issue is people claiming its good or bad without providing evidence. Comparing trumps first 3 years to obamas last 3 years is a good comparison (and it shows roughly the same economy/GDP. My problem is pundits claiming 2.4% growth is pathetic when O was president, but 2.4% growth was roaring when T was president). Include the pandemic year ...well, we know why it took a dump. Obamas first year had a similar problem to Trumps last.

Even if it is not the best comparison, it is still something to compare. Thus someone claims it's pathetic. 6% isn't.
it is still something to compare.
No it is not

6.5% is what is expected just from taking the pandemic breaks off and recovering from a down year
Trump would be screaming these numbers from the rooftop.
probably, however that still does not make it a meaningful comparison relative to years not recovering from a pandemic

This is so ironic
a trump hater implying what Trump would say in order to make Joe Biden look good

Most Trump haters would say you can not trust what Trumps says at all or ever
but now "Trump would state the numbers are great"


Obamas first year had a similar problem to Trumps last.
no it was not
 

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Why is this guy so bad at his job? Can he do anything for the best interest of his people? How is it possible to suck this much?

He did do something in the best interest of the people, he won the 2020 election and got Trump out.
 

fall

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He did do something in the best interest of the people, he won the 2020 election and got Trump out.
Of 51% of the people. Enough to win, not enough to say he represents the vast majority. Same applies to Trump and to almost any other president in the past.
 

toguy5252

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He did do something in the best interest of the people, he won the 2020 election and got Trump out.
Do you remember infrastructure week which was pretty much every week during the term of the only twice impeached POTUS in history. Remember that big beautiful infrastructure package he passed during his entire term. oh wait a second he never did. joe did in his first year.
 

bver_hunter

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Of 51% of the people. Enough to win, not enough to say he represents the vast majority. Same applies to Trump and to almost any other president in the past.
Trump never hit a 50% plus one vote majority in any of the two elections he was involved in. The vast majority of Americans are glad that he is out of office!!
 

fall

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Trump never hit a 50% plus one vote majority in any of the two elections he was involved in. The vast majority of Americans are glad that he is out of office!!
51% is not VAST majority. It is just a small majority. And why do you always want to compare Biden to Trump? If Trump was so bad but only 51% people preferred Biden to Trump, what does sit say about the preference between "regular" democratic and conservative candidate? If Trump was so bad but the margin was so low, doe sit mean Biden would have lost to almost any other top Republican candidate?
 

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51% is not VAST majority. It is just a small majority. And why do you always want to compare Biden to Trump? If Trump was so bad but only 51% people preferred Biden to Trump, what does sit say about the preference between "regular" democratic and conservative candidate? If Trump was so bad but the margin was so low, doe sit mean Biden would have lost to almost any other top Republican candidate?
Probably. They're both shit choices. Obama was the last capable president, despite me disagreeing with a lot of his policy decisions.
 

JohnLarue

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Probably. They're both shit choices. Obama was the last capable president, despite me disagreeing with a lot of his policy decisions.
While Obama presented himself as far more rational than Trump and far more competent than Sleepy Joe, he was a hypocritic salesman pushing a divisive and foolish agenda
 

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51% is not VAST majority. It is just a small majority. And why do you always want to compare Biden to Trump? If Trump was so bad but only 51% people preferred Biden to Trump, what does sit say about the preference between "regular" democratic and conservative candidate? If Trump was so bad but the margin was so low, doe sit mean Biden would have lost to almost any other top Republican candidate?
I agree with you on this. A vast majority would have to be in the high 80s at the bare minimum, though I'd say probably in the mid-90s.

I would also say that if nearly anyone but Trump was on the GOP ticket, it would likely be a toss up. I mean, one of the reasons so many people voted in 2020 was to get rid of Trump. But it would likely depend who was running. If it were Ted Cruz....I don't know if he would draw the voters. But at the same time, would the, there are die-hard GOP & Dems supporters who will vote the party no matter who is the candidate. I'd say they're about 40% each or so. the remains 20% of people are flexible independents or one issue voters. So, the margins always tend to be fairly close.
 

silentkisser

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While Obama presented himself as far more rational than Trump and far more competent than Sleepy Joe, he was a hypocritic salesman pushing a divisive and foolish agenda
I'm not quite sure how Obama was a hypocrite. Could you explain your reasoning on this? As for his agenda, it was something most Americans supported. The Affordable Cares act is quite popular. It could have been even better if the GOP didn't fight it tooth and nail for their big donors, or the fact that they new it was such a winner for Dems that is would likely hurt their popularity. Obama was not perfect, and everything we say about him is tainted by the fact we are so close to him. But, there were no serious scandals in his administration, and he guided the US out of a horrible economic situation, giving Trump a strong economy and bull market to gloat about.
 

JohnLarue

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]I'm not quite sure how Obama was a hypocrite. Could you explain your reasoning on this?
He promoted the climate change propaganda and then bought a sea side mansion.
Nobody would do such a thing if he truly believed the propaganda of iminate Co2 driven sea level rise.
a hypocrite through and through

As for his agenda, it was something most Americans supported. The Affordable Cares act is quite popular.
until the true costs become apparent

It could have been even better if the GOP didn't fight it tooth and nail for their big donors, or the fact that they new it was such a winner for Dems that is would likely hurt their popularity.
there is a cost for everything and pretending there is not, is just foolish

Our Canadian health care system is not sustainable
The demographics will ensure a much greater demand
The inflation of heath care equipment and supplies is twice pre-covid inflation
And the unions have entrenched themselves into the health care system

copying an unsustainable model is foolish


Obama was not perfect, and everything we say about him is tainted by the fact we are so close to him.
speak for yourself
What in the world does that mean ????


But, there were no serious scandals in his administration,
this true , credit due where credit is due
I know he is quite proud of that and so he should be

Despite knowing Trump was ill suited for the job , I was concerned he would drag the US into another major war. He did not, so credit to him for that

and he guided the US out of a horrible economic situation
odd how the loonies give credit to Obama for this but refuse to give Steven Harper his due credit , despite Canada's relative better recovery from the debt induced financial crisis

BTW. Todays debt leverage by govt, corporations and consumers is much much higher than 2008
look out below

, giving Trump a strong economy and bull market to gloat about.
Which sleepy Joe is going to screw up badly with his green agenda
 

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51% is not VAST majority. It is just a small majority. And why do you always want to compare Biden to Trump? If Trump was so bad but only 51% people preferred Biden to Trump, what does sit say about the preference between "regular" democratic and conservative candidate? If Trump was so bad but the margin was so low, doe sit mean Biden would have lost to almost any other top Republican candidate?
NO president has matched Biden in the number of votes cast in his favour. Yes the FIRST president to win over more than 80 million votes. Hence he won by almost 5 percentage points more than Trump. Trump just got less than 47% of the votes. Well if You think that this margin is not impressive, then by implication, Trump's win in 2016 was shit, as he did not win the popular votes and got only 46% of the votes versus 48% for Clinton. Yet he boasted about what a huge majority he won by as the Electoral College favoured him in that respect!!

The Republicans did not have the balls to stand up to Trump, although they knew that Trump was going to be second best in the 2020 elections. Period!!
 

fall

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Probably. They're both shit choices. Obama was the last capable president, despite me disagreeing with a lot of his policy decisions.
Despite being Republican/Conservative, I fully agree with this statement. All three candidates in the last 2 elections (Clinton, Trump, and Biden) were awful.
 
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