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Leimonis

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So how do we go forward? someone needs to call for Peace
hamas lives off of war. Why would they want peace? Especially now when they are emboldened by western idiots supporting Palestinian cause as a result of escalation that Hamas had initiated .
 
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True. Except Hamas did not burn people alive. Or kill babies. Or rape women. Hamas shot people, yes. But the burned bodies were due to Israeli tanks and choppers, mowing down Israelis via employ of the Hannibal Directive.

Yes. Except it is not your grandfather attacking my grandfather - it is more like you, attacking ME and my family. That is what is going on in the West Bank.

a) Based on what are you arguing that the UN report is "completely false"?
b) Here is the full UN report:


If you read through you will find, that a) There were pictures of naked women who were shot dead due to which the UN mission believes further investigation is necessary. b) There is no forensic evidence for rape and c) Even after the UN team urged people, none of the supposed rape survivors came forward with their testimonies.

I am not talking about compassion for Hamas. I am taking about the 35000 Palestinians who are dead, 15000 of them kids. I am asking why you feel more compassion for a 100 Israelis, but not for 35000 people who had nothing to do with October 7?

I guess the following answers the why.

You may not be religious. And I fully believe you are not some rabid right winger. But you feel racial or ethnic affiliations and therefore you feel more compassion for Israelis than you do for Palestinians. Either that, or your knowledge of this is based on narratives pushed in the west by Israel.

And let us not downplay this as a "history of discontent". It is not discontent. It is not "your grandfather killed my grandfather". It is not "neighbours you dont like". These are intentional understatements to disregard the seriousness of what has been going on in Palestine for 75 years.

This is about a racist, violent, colonial project, called Zionism, that has violently dispossessed the Palestinians, subjected them to absolutely inhuman conditions, brutalized them, tortured them and stolen from them for 75 years. The pressure, racism and cruelty is CONSTANT. Palestinians face it EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

Watch the couple of videos I posted here and then tell me it isn't true.

Peace can only exist, when Palestinians acquire sovereignty. Yes, there is no place for hate in Canada. But denying Palestinian suffering, or not supporting Palestinian sovereignty, or hating part of Canada's citizenry for expressing views contrary to that of what the government pushes on its people, and instead asking them to just "put and shut up", is actually pushing hatred.

So your default position, unfortunately, is one of hatred - hatred that you say has no place in Canada, but are unfortunately complicit in spreading.

The pro-Palestinian protestors on the other hand, are the ones who are asking for peace and trying to promote unity.
and you just proved my point that there is always an argument for and against. I have no hatred for Palestinians, i feel horrible that this is happening to everyone involved.
Show me an article for, I'll show you one against.
to be honest, I am not trying to be in an argument about this at all, but can you explain to me why my being Jewish makes me one sided when I am not for Israel's position and how they are responding? I actually have never experienced anti semitism, maybe I'm lucky? maybe it's 2 of my closest friends happen to be Muslim and we leave religion at the door?
who knows? you have your right to your opinion. My stance is that this all needs to end and you can argue with me until you are blue in the face, I won't engage anymore about this because it will just go in circles. just like the fighting in Israel.
 

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Iranian style Pallywood 😂😂

Iran state TV airs clip of blaze in Chile, claims it shows destruction in Israel

Fact-finding analyst highlights spurious Islamic Republic broadcasting amid wave of social media clips falsely claiming Israel was pounded by Iranian rockets




A video clip aired by Iran’s state TV service claiming to show fiery destruction in Israel due to a massive Iranian missile and drone attack is months-old footage of a fire in Chile, a reporter for a fact-finding division of the BBC clarified Sunday.

Shayan Sardarizadeh posted screen captures from the video broadcast by Iran alongside shots from the same video circulating on social media earlier this year.

Iran on Saturday night launched a large wave of around 300 attack drones and missiles from its territory toward the Jewish state, in the first-ever direct attack on Israel by the Islamic Republic, triggering air raid sirens throughout the country.


Tensions between Israel and Iran had reached a new high in recent days as the Islamic Republic vowed to avenge seven Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps members, including two generals, who were killed in an alleged Israeli airstrike on a building near Tehran’s consulate in Damascus on April 1.

The Israel Defense Forces said Sunday that 99 percent of the incoming missiles and drones were downed before they reached the country. Several ballistic missiles hit inside an airbase, causing minor damage. The US, UK, France, and Jordan all participated in efforts to intercept the incoming drones.

 
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Leimonis

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Iranian style Pallywood 😂😂

Iran state TV airs clip of blaze in Chile, claims it shows destruction in Israel

Fact-finding analyst highlights spurious Islamic Republic broadcasting amid wave of social media clips falsely claiming Israel was pounded by Iranian rockets




A video clip aired by Iran’s state TV service claiming to show fiery destruction in Israel due to a massive Iranian missile and drone attack is months-old footage of a fire in Chile, a reporter for a fact-finding division of the BBC clarified Sunday.

Shayan Sardarizadeh posted screen captures from the video broadcast by Iran alongside shots from the same video circulating on social media earlier this year.

Iran on Saturday night launched a large wave of around 300 attack drones and missiles from its territory toward the Jewish state, in the first-ever direct attack on Israel by the Islamic Republic, triggering air raid sirens throughout the country.


Tensions between Israel and Iran had reached a new high in recent days as the Islamic Republic vowed to avenge seven Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps members, including two generals, who were killed in an alleged Israeli airstrike on a building near Tehran’s consulate in Damascus on April 1.

The Israel Defense Forces said Sunday that 99 percent of the incoming missiles and drones were downed before they reached the country. Several ballistic missiles hit inside an airbase, causing minor damage. The US, UK, France, and Jordan all participated in efforts to intercept the incoming drones.

Wouldn’t it be nice if regimes like Russia and Iran would just feed fake videos to their population instead of actual war and death?
 

Klatuu

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And you are?
I am well informed. but i am also open to both sides and both opinions. How come Egypt hasn't opened their arms to Palis, or Lebanon or Iran, they all have lots of land they can spare. The edict of Hamas and most radicalized people in Israel is that they want the destruction of the Jewish people. They don't want peace. Israel is defending their citizens.
Does it make any sense?
Nope, I don't claim to be an expert, but all I ever hear are people like you just saying things like "..uninformed.." that is not a response.
I am for Peace, I am for Jews and Muslims living together, but this has thousands of years of history, and it's utter horseshit that they keep this fighting going on.
If Hamas or Hezbollah would stop lobbing missiles onto civilain targets, maybe then Israel could chill the eff out. so if you really want to look at the facts, there have been daily attacks on Israel for decades with minimal response, Israel has an incredible military machine for a reason. they are surrounded by people that want to kill them. So how do we go forward? someone needs to call for Peace
Extremely uniformed.
 
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Proud to stand in solidarity with #Toronto's Jewish community after the Islamic Regime in Iran's attack on Israel.
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must immediately: — Designate the #IRGC on the terrorist list; and — Remove the arms embargo to support democratic ally Israel's defence. Shame on those “peaceful protestors” who romanticize terrorism & cheered for the Islamic regime on the streets of Toronto
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yesterday. This is what a peaceful rally looks like.
 
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xyphy

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Okay, so if you aren't for Israel's position, then why dont you support the pro-Palestinian protestors? They are not asking to genocide Jews. They are asking for Palestinian sovereignty. With Palestinian sovereignty comes peace and an end to all these things.
I actually do support them when I see them calling for peace.
however, the majority of them are protesting in front of Jewish owned businesses and not an embassy or consulate, the majority of them are calling for the death of Jews and the annihilation of the Jewish people and they want all Jews out of the land of Israel so they can have the river to the sea to themselves in a Jew free land. SO no, I don't engage and will not support them fully until there can be a more open conversation like the one we are having. it's congenial and respectful and open minded.
and also for the record, I read through your UN doc and it does say they found evidence of rape and murder and atrocities, so maybe it's been updated since you initially read it.
 

Valcazar

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Iran said that they would launch some kind of a response and they launched a paper tiger of one to save face.
Iran knew that there would be no civilian casualties with this superficial drone and missile attack.
Israel still remains in constant peril but is up the task of defending themselves along with US and UK backstopping.
I believe that after today, de-escalation will probably start as nobody wants a war , especially the superpowers.
That's my view of what Iran is doing here, but Israel really does look like it wants escalation if it can get the US or UK to do the brunt of the work.
The question is whether or not cooler heads can prevail and whether or not Bibi thinks he gains more benefit from a wider conflict.
 

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I actually do support them when I see them calling for peace.
however, the majority of them are protesting in front of Jewish owned businesses and not an embassy or consulate, the majority of them are calling for the death of Jews and the annihilation of the Jewish people and they want all Jews out of the land of Israel so they can have the river to the sea to themselves in a Jew free land. SO no, I don't engage and will not support them fully until there can be a more open conversation like the one we are having. it's congenial and respectful and open minded.
and also for the record, I read through your UN doc and it does say they found evidence of rape and murder and atrocities, so maybe it's been updated since you initially read it.
Delusional
 

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I know I'll get heat for this, but...If you live in Canada or US or wherever because you left the country you came from for a "better" life, and then protest in favour of the country you left, go the F*#%K back.
Why?

People have more than one identity.
 
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Valcazar

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It was a face saver by Iran and did nothing much to harm. Israel takes out top revolutionary guard members, Iran takes out 4 innocent Muslims.
Israel needs to take it as a win.
However Bibi trying to stay in power to avoid gaol so he'll prolong it.
Sad.
John Bolton, who has advocated for attacking Iran for decades is saying now is the time to go all in on taking out nuke facilities. If Iran does attack US facilities then I'm on board. But if not deescalate. But do take out Iranian forces who board ships.
Bolton has wanted to Bomb Iran for 20 years or more.
 

xyphy

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Delusional
you have an answer for everything and that is why I am now finished with this thread. nobody will win in this and for every comment there will be a counter comment. You can post all the links you want and cite all your info, but in the end it's a vicious circle.
 

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Which US base was attached, and who did the attaching? Not much here that isn't already on the Hootie thread, plus the latest fux newz...
 

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I actually do support them when I see them calling for peace.
however, the majority of them are protesting in front of Jewish owned businesses and not an embassy or consulate, the majority of them are calling for the death of Jews and the annihilation of the Jewish people and they want all Jews out of the land of Israel so they can have the river to the sea to themselves in a Jew free land. SO no, I don't engage and will not support them fully until there can be a more open conversation like the one we are having. it's congenial and respectful and open minded.
and also for the record, I read through your UN doc and it does say they found evidence of rape and murder and atrocities, so maybe it's been updated since you initially read it.
Film at eleven??
 
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