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Kautilya

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The fact that we have people who are supposedly Canadian citizens celebrating a missile strike by Iran, Israel, Gaza, or any other nation in the Middle East is just bizarre.
Why is that bizarre? They may be from those countries and may have dual citizenship.
 
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rhuarc29

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Why is that bizarre? They may be from those countries and may have dual citizenship.
They are celebrating death and destruction in nations halfway around the world. That's TWO reasons why it's bizarre.
 

Kautilya

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They are celebrating death and destruction in nations halfway around the world. That's TWO reasons why it's bizarre.
You know they are not celebrating that.
 
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You know they are not celebrating that.
Yes, they are. Many of them have specifically said they are, and the others may have their eyes set on a different goalpost, but it's unlikely to be achieved, and will result in death and destruction either way.
 

Kautilya

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Yes, they are. Many of them have specifically said they are, and the others may have their eyes set on a different goalpost, but it's unlikely to be achieved, and will result in death and destruction either way.
No they are not. They are celebrating Iran finally retaliating against the Israelis who they absolutely and rightfully hate, for Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and for Israel's aggression against Iran.

Where did they specifically say they are celebrating death and destruction?

However, I will tell you what is bizarre - Canadians (primarily non-Jewish Canadians) egging the Israeli regime on in their genocide of the Palestinians. Calling a regime that has mass murdered 35000 Palestinians and counting "civilized" and calling the murdered, "savages". Now THAT is bizarre.
 

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The fact that we have people who are supposedly Canadian citizens celebrating a missile strike by Iran, Israel, Gaza, or any other nation in the Middle East is just bizarre.
The west has been very optimistic in taking in people from shithole countries hoping that they would change.
Turned out you can take a girl out of a village but you cannot take a village out of a girl.

and then of course we have college kids who have always loved to be contrarian but when they are growing up in an economic situation when houses are out of reach it’s no surprise that they would go Marxist and support any kind of fucked up revolution that pretends to restore any kind of fairness (which means that poor brown people must be right in a conflict with richer whiter people). And of course Islamists definitely did an amazing job brainwashing them.
 
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Iran said that they would launch some kind of a response and they launched a paper tiger of one to save face.
Iran knew that there would be no civilian casualties with this superficial drone and missile attack.
Israel still remains in constant peril but is up the task of defending themselves along with US and UK backstopping.
I believe that after today, de-escalation will probably start as nobody wants a war , especially the superpowers.
 

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A full scale war is almost inevitable. The USA still wants revenge for the Islamic Republic taking American hostages in 1980.

Moronic Lauren Boebert said the Church should direct the State - we've seen quite sufficiently what that can lead to. The current war did not start on Oct 7. Hamas was retaliating for ethnic cleansing by the IDF and settlers militias in the southern part of the West Bank. Benji gave them carte blanche to proceed, he does what the Orthodox parties in his cabinet tell him to do.

 
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So the west should get drawn into a conflict with Iran and North Korea? All because of one shitty little desert state? Seems like they're more trouble than they're worth.
The US and UK don't seem to agree with you. I guess you need to understand things better.
 

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A full scale war is almost inevitable. The USA still wants revenge for the Islamic Republic taking American hostages in 1980.

Moronic Lauren Boebert said the Church should direct the State - we've seen quite sufficiently what that can lead to. The current war did not start on Oct 7. Hamas was retaliating for ethnic cleansing by the IDF and settlers militias in the southern part of the West Bank. Benji gave them carte blanche to proceed, he does what the Orthodox parties in his cabinet tell him to do.

You mean back when Regan was selling missiles to Iran and using the funds to buy cocaine from the contras in Nicaragua all while imposing a war on drugs ? Those were the days
 

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So is this a false flag operation done by Israel to frame Iran? FFS!
Why go to that kind of trouble? Pretty obvious all they had to do was wait and see, thus preserving the tiny sliver of moral high ground they haven't lost due to Gaza...
 

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A full scale war is almost inevitable. The USA still wants revenge for the Islamic Republic taking American hostages in 1980.

Pu-leeze, we are so over that. Only 44 years ago and no lives (in the embassy) lost.

Moronic Lauren Boebert said the Church should direct the State - we've seen quite sufficiently what that can lead to. The current war did not start on Oct 7. Hamas was retaliating for ethnic cleansing by the IDF and settlers militias in the southern part of the West Bank. Benji gave them carte blanche to proceed, he does what the Orthodox parties in his cabinet tell him to do.

For sure, ethnic cleansing to facilitate the ongoing land grab. The word holocaust is claimed as the property of the Zionist tribe, after all...

 

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I know I'll get heat for this, but...If you live in Canada or US or wherever because you left the country you came from for a "better" life, and then protest in favour of the country you left, go the F*#%K back.
War is ridiculous, it's caused by megalomaniacs or religion.
I always thought this is why we have sports. Settle it on a soccer pitch, or boxing ring and go about your business on your own.
Fences make great neighbours, but if you hop that fence, attack your neighbour then watch out for that neighbour when they hit you back.
 

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Why go to that kind of trouble? Pretty obvious all they had to do was wait and see, thus preserving the tiny sliver of moral high ground they haven't lost due to Gaza...
Exactly. Their moral high ground has sadly turned into a quagmire for them. The world expectation that they fight a conventional war with normal acceptable rules of engagement against an enemy that hides behind its civilian populous, hospitals and schools makes no real sense however at this point given the level of destruction at some point they have to just stop and come up with a different plan altogether. I certainly would be targeting the leadership of Hamas as a priority and cutting off the supplies from Iran.
 

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I know I'll get heat for this, but...If you live in Canada or US or wherever because you left the country you came from for a "better" life, and then protest in favour of the country you left, go the F*#%K back.
War is ridiculous, it's caused by megalomaniacs or religion.
I always thought this is why we have sports. Settle it on a soccer pitch, or boxing ring and go about your business on your own.
Fences make great neighbours, but if you hop that fence, attack your neighbour then watch out for that neighbour when they hit you back.
When you still have family, friends and loved ones back in the home country it is not a surprise that they cheer when an enemy nation gets attacked, same as if you grew up with a favourite soccer team you always cheer for them against their rivals even though you may have moved to a different city or country.
 

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When you still have family, friends and loved ones back in the home country it is not a surprise that they cheer when an enemy nation gets attacked, same as if you grew up with a favourite soccer team you always cheer for them against their rivals even though you may have moved to a different city or country.
Absolutely! Lots of innocent people are getting hurt. And the "home" team, might still be their favourite, even with different coaches running the show and destroying a teams legacy. BUT, don't advocate for more violence on the ice from "your home team" against the new team that you "live" with. Even if your old fave players are getting clobbered after starting a fight. At a certain point, people need to change their team allegiances.
I used to like the Texas Rangers until that idiot Odour hit Bautista. It made me a Jays fan.
 

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Absolutely! Lots of innocent people are getting hurt. And the "home" team, might still be their favourite, even with different coaches running the show and destroying a teams legacy. BUT, don't advocate for more violence on the ice from "your home team" against the new team that you "live" with. Even if your old fave players are getting clobbered after starting a fight. At a certain point, people need to change their team allegiances.
I used to like the Texas Rangers until that idiot Odour hit Bautista. It made me a Jays fan.
Glad you did not use the anology of the Leaf's being like Hamas and always disappointing their fans and getting their asses kicked in the playoffs because that would just be mean 🤣 Go Wings! 😊😊😊😊
 
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It was a face saver by Iran and did nothing much to harm. Israel takes out top revolutionary guard members, Iran takes out 4 innocent Muslims.
Israel needs to take it as a win.
However Bibi trying to stay in power to avoid gaol so he'll prolong it.
Sad.
John Bolton, who has advocated for attacking Iran for decades is saying now is the time to go all in on taking out nuke facilities. If Iran does attack US facilities then I'm on board. But if not deescalate. But do take out Iranian forces who board ships.
 

Kautilya

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I know I'll get heat for this, but...If you live in Canada or US or wherever because you left the country you came from for a "better" life, and then protest in favour of the country you left, go the F*#%K back.
Identities are not created or erased by swapping passports. People protest here because western nations are heavily involved in their support for Israel - a country that is mass murdering Palestinians and attacked Iran earlier. Given these are Canadian citizens, their voice on all matters, matter just as much as someone who was born and raised here who has no connections to any of these things. That is multiculturalism for you, and it is inherent to Canada.
It was a face saver by Iran and did nothing much to harm. Israel takes out top revolutionary guard members, Iran takes out 4 innocent Muslims.
Israel needs to take it as a win.
However Bibi trying to stay in power to avoid gaol so he'll prolong it.
Sad.
John Bolton, who has advocated for attacking Iran for decades is saying now is the time to go all in on taking out nuke facilities. If Iran does attack US facilities then I'm on board. But if not deescalate. But do take out Iranian forces who board ships.
Exactly. They did the same to a US airbase after the US killed Soleimani. Nothing happened after that. So I think this will fizzle out as well. But I have to say that Bibi is going down a very dangerous path. The US has given him a very long leash. Wonder when it will run out.
 
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xyphy

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Identities are not created or erased by swapping passports. People protest here because western nations are heavily involved in their support for Israel - a country that is mass murdering Palestinians and attacked Iran earlier. Given these are Canadian citizens, their voice on all matters, matter just as much as someone who was born and raised here who has no connections to any of these things. That is multiculturalism for you, and it is inherent to Canada.

Exactly. They did the same to a US airbase after the US killed Soleimani. Nothing happened after that. So I think this will fizzle out as well. But I have to say that Bibi is going down a very dangerous path. The US has given him a very long leash. Wonder when it will run out.
I am Russian descent but my ancestors moved here over 200 years ago, do I still cheer Russia on when they attacked Ukraine? Hell no. so yes, my blood line is Russian, but my allegiance is to Canada and Western countries. If Russia came into Alaska and raped and slaughtered over a thousand people, then they need to take the repercussions and my alliance to the west would be unwavering. I wouldn't be waving a Russian flag and cheering them on because someone pissed them off in the past and they felt the need to attack the west.
You can't justify what Hamas did based on the reaction by Israel's allies. Do I agree with how horribly over the top the Israeli's are dealing with it, not really. But then I look at a video of the aftermath of a simple peaceful music festival, the hundreds of dead innocent young people. shot and mutilated, raped etc. or the images of a young woman in sweatpants that are bloodied because she's been gang raped by Hamas all the while the people are celebrating in the streets. Well. then I don't feel bad at all and it just makes me sick to my stomach that "Canadians" are in favour of a terrorist organization, when all anyone wants is peace or some sort of resolution, which I should remind you is just to release the hostages. that's a pretty simple task. None of those people are protesting the Israeli embassy, they are targeting Jews and Jewish owned businesses. this has no place in our country. protest Israel not the religion. Politics, not religion, then maybe I'll agree with you.
Just wanted to add, if the people here still have family over there, then they should be protesting the way in which their former govt. is treating them, advocate for Peace not more hatred or violence. This is where our opinion differs.
 
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