Iran vs Israel
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As the American people watch in horror as Israel faces unprecedented attacks from Iran, Joe Biden and the White House shamefully called a lid and refused to address the nation and the world. Their silence is deafening. On the contrary, President Trump is speaking to the American people in Pennsylvania where he’s making it unequivocally clear that America stands with Israel and condemns Iran’s heinous attacks
Except, in the case of Israel, Israel has been occupying, brutalizing and subjecting the Palestinians to constant atrocities for 75 years. October 7, was NOT an isolated incident that happened. October 7 is just one attack in a military and ethnic conflict that has lasted for 75 years.
You talk about the Hamas attack on the music festival. Did you take time to check the dehumanizing attacks on Palestinians before October 7 by the Israeli settlers, killing 200+ people in the west bank in 2023 alone? Did you take time to check about the sexual assault and rape of Palestinians women and children, in unlawful detention in Israeli prisons? Did you take time to check about the evictions, demolitions of Palestinian houses in the West Bank? Or the Apartheid state Israel runs? Did you check the recent UN report, that did not find any evidence of rape by Hamas? No you did not.
All of this happens, with blanket endorsement from the west. So those people who are also western citizens protest to highlight the hypocrisy and the morally corrupt positions our countries have taken. Those voices are therefore very much necessary without which we will just end up drinking government koolaid.
Therefore your "allegiance" to western nations is uninformed. I am also curious. Why do you feel MORE sympathy for the 100s of dead Israelis in the music festivals, but not for the 35000 dead Palestinians, and the pictures of dead children buried under rubble? My guess is it is because Israelis are white, so you feel more sympathy for people with a certain skin colour over others with a different skin colour. This is not any different to the way Europe reacted to Ukrainian refugees in 2022, as opposed to how they treated Syrian refugees during the ISIS take over in 2010 to 2015. This is racism, not compassion.
Start by reading this document called "Our Narrative" that Hamas published after October 7, which lists the reasons why they did October 7. Now am not saying a terror attack is justified. But I want to ask - "What did you expect would happen?".
I can provide more resources if you are interested.
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I like music festivals and I don’t care about brainwashed Islamist savages
also- Israelis are not necessarily white.
Hey, I am not for killing whatsoever, but you cannot, CANNOT justify putting babies in ovens or burning people alive because there is a history of "unjustified" actions against the Palestinian people. Skin colour has no place in this at all. You don't know if I am white or mixed, so don't even go there.
If your Grandfather attacked my Grandfather, that does not give me the right to attack you in your home. The UN report on that there was no rape is completely false.
Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks, Senior UN Official Tells Security Council | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
There are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence — including rape and gang-rape — occurred across multiple locations of Israel and the Gaza periphery during the attacks on 7 October 2023, a senior United Nations official reported to the Security Council today, as she...
I would like to see more of your resources and the source from which they gather their claims. I feel more sympathy towards young women and men that were at a peace based music festival than any Hamas fighter/sympathizer. There has been conflict for thousands of years, and it's simply ridiculous. why haven't the Pro Palestine protesters ever chanted, "PEACE IN PALESTINE", nope, they chant 'DEATH TO JEWS". like WTF?!
I am Jewish. I am not religious, I have never been to Israel, and I do not condone the mass destruction and extent of Israel's response in Gaza. I am Pro human, I am not a fan of Netanyahu, so don't even start accusing me of being one sided. I am a parent, it kills me to see these people and what they are dealing with. BUT, you can never condone the Oct 7th attack because there is a history of discontent or violence towards Palestinians or Israelis. You have to see the whole picture and my opinion, and no I am not a poli sci grad, I am a fan of history. History just keeps repeating itself. I have neighbours that I don't like, do I threaten them? Do i throw things into their yard to poison their yappy dog? No, Do I live peacefully with them knowing that I don't like them? Sure, I'm not having meals with them or drinks. I keep to myself and vice versa.
so I can't understand how they can't have a 2 state solution and just live in peace with each other. I refuse to get in a pissing match with anyone claiming resources and documentation or otherwise. Nowadays, we can't believe shit, every resource out there has an opposing resource and it becomes a vicious cycle.
Good luck and I stand by my original post.
If you don't like it here, then go back to where you came from. Canada is a peaceful safe haven and there is no place for hate in my country.
If there was a pro palestine protest that chanted for peace, I would march with them. until that happens, they can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
UninformedHey, I am not for killing whatsoever, but you cannot, CANNOT justify putting babies in ovens or burning people alive because there is a history of "unjustified" actions against the Palestinian people. Skin colour has no place in this at all. You don't know if I am white or mixed, so don't even go there.
If your Grandfather attacked my Grandfather, that does not give me the right to attack you in your home. The UN report on that there was no rape is completely false.
this is from the UN.Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks, Senior UN Official Tells Security Council | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
There are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence — including rape and gang-rape — occurred across multiple locations of Israel and the Gaza periphery during the attacks on 7 October 2023, a senior United Nations official reported to the Security Council today, as she...press.un.org
I would like to see more of your resources and the source from which they gather their claims. I feel more sympathy towards young women and men that were at a peace based music festival than any Hamas fighter/sympathizer. There has been conflict for thousands of years, and it's simply ridiculous. why haven't the Pro Palestine protesters ever chanted, "PEACE IN PALESTINE", nope, they chant 'DEATH TO JEWS". like WTF?!
I am Jewish. I am not religious, I have never been to Israel, and I do not condone the mass destruction and extent of Israel's response in Gaza. I am Pro human, I am not a fan of Netanyahu, so don't even start accusing me of being one sided. I am a parent, it kills me to see these people and what they are dealing with. BUT, you can never condone the Oct 7th attack because there is a history of discontent or violence towards Palestinians or Israelis. You have to see the whole picture and my opinion, and no I am not a poli sci grad, I am a fan of history. History just keeps repeating itself. I have neighbours that I don't like, do I threaten them? Do i throw things into their yard to poison their yappy dog? No, Do I live peacefully with them knowing that I don't like them? Sure, I'm not having meals with them or drinks. I keep to myself and vice versa.
so I can't understand how they can't have a 2 state solution and just live in peace with each other. I refuse to get in a pissing match with anyone claiming resources and documentation or otherwise. Nowadays, we can't believe shit, every resource out there has an opposing resource and it becomes a vicious cycle.
Good luck and I stand by my original post.
If you don't like it here, then go back to where you came from. Canada is a peaceful safe haven and there is no place for hate in my country.
If there was a pro palestine protest that chanted for peace, I would march with them. until that happens, they can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
Agree 100%.
It's a face -saver for the Ayatollahs and a defacto win - actually a nothing - for Israel. Israel needs to walk away and pretend to want a ceasefire with Iran to defuse the current situation.
I doubt that container ship is going to fly the Iranian flag for too long given the talents of the IDF special forces. We'll see.
Much as I sympathize with the plight of women in Iran, I also suspect that western media focuses on a small % of the Iranian population and most are fine living in a theocracy. Iran might be a lot less easy to overthrow than Iraq and no one wants a costly, bloody quagmire.
it’s pretty simple and should be even easier to understand right now.
If palis were to have a state now it would be run by hamas and Iran for the purpose of destroying israel from the river to the sea.
Weapons would flow in freely, rocket launching personnel would be trained and israel would inevitably be attacked.
And israel cannot have that. Not with palis current level of radicalization.
It’s sad as fuck but there can be no permanent solution at this point.
Totally agree.
Israel needs to walk away from this with the attitude of "message received", we punched you, you swung back, whether they hit or missed, it needs to de-escalate.
True. Except Hamas did not burn people alive. Or kill babies. Or rape women. Hamas shot people, yes. But the burned bodies were due to Israeli tanks and choppers, mowing down Israelis via employ of the Hannibal Directive.
Yes. Except it is not your grandfather attacking my grandfather - it is more like you, attacking ME and my family. That is what is going on in the West Bank.
a) Based on what are you arguing that the UN report is "completely false"?The UN report on that there was no rape is completely false.
this is from the UN.Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks, Senior UN Official Tells Security Council | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
There are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence — including rape and gang-rape — occurred across multiple locations of Israel and the Gaza periphery during the attacks on 7 October 2023, a senior United Nations official reported to the Security Council today, as she...
b) Here is the full UN report:
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www.un.org
If you read through you will find, that a) There were pictures of naked women who were shot dead due to which the UN mission believes further investigation is necessary. b) There is no forensic evidence for rape and c) Even after the UN team urged people, none of the supposed rape survivors came forward with their testimonies.
I am not talking about compassion for Hamas. I am taking about the 35000 Palestinians who are dead, 15000 of them kids. I am asking why you feel more compassion for a 100 Israelis, but not for 35000 people who had nothing to do with October 7?
I guess the following answers the why.
You may not be religious. And I fully believe you are not some rabid right winger. But you feel racial or ethnic affiliations and therefore you feel more compassion for Israelis than you do for Palestinians. Either that, or your knowledge of this is based on narratives pushed in the west by Israel.
And let us not downplay this as a "history of discontent". It is not discontent. It is not "your grandfather killed my grandfather". It is not "neighbours you dont like". These are intentional understatements to disregard the seriousness of what has been going on in Palestine for 75 years.
This is about a racist, violent, colonial project, called Zionism, that has violently dispossessed the Palestinians, subjected them to absolutely inhuman conditions, brutalized them, tortured them and stolen from them for 75 years. The pressure, racism and cruelty is CONSTANT. Palestinians face it EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.
Watch the couple of videos I posted here and then tell me it isn't true.
Peace can only exist, when Palestinians acquire sovereignty. Yes, there is no place for hate in Canada. But denying Palestinian suffering, or not supporting Palestinian sovereignty, or hating part of Canada's citizenry for expressing views contrary to that of what the government pushes on its people, and instead asking them to just "put and shut up", is actually pushing hatred.
So your default position, unfortunately, is one of hatred - hatred that you say has no place in Canada, but are unfortunately complicit in spreading.
The pro-Palestinian protestors on the other hand, are the ones who are asking for peace and trying to promote unity.
And you are?
I am well informed. but i am also open to both sides and both opinions. How come Egypt hasn't opened their arms to Palis, or Lebanon or Iran, they all have lots of land they can spare. The edict of Hamas and most radicalized people in Israel is that they want the destruction of the Jewish people. They don't want peace. Israel is defending their citizens.
Does it make any sense?
Nope, I don't claim to be an expert, but all I ever hear are people like you just saying things like "..uninformed.." that is not a response.
I am for Peace, I am for Jews and Muslims living together, but this has thousands of years of history, and it's utter horseshit that they keep this fighting going on.
If Hamas or Hezbollah would stop lobbing missiles onto civilain targets, maybe then Israel could chill the eff out. so if you really want to look at the facts, there have been daily attacks on Israel for decades with minimal response, Israel has an incredible military machine for a reason. they are surrounded by people that want to kill them. So how do we go forward? someone needs to call for Peace
hamas lives off of war. Why would they want peace? Especially now when they are emboldened by western idiots supporting Palestinian cause as a result of escalation that Hamas had initiated .
and you just proved my point that there is always an argument for and against. I have no hatred for Palestinians, i feel horrible that this is happening to everyone involved.
Show me an article for, I'll show you one against.
to be honest, I am not trying to be in an argument about this at all, but can you explain to me why my being Jewish makes me one sided when I am not for Israel's position and how they are responding? I actually have never experienced anti semitism, maybe I'm lucky? maybe it's 2 of my closest friends happen to be Muslim and we leave religion at the door?
who knows? you have your right to your opinion. My stance is that this all needs to end and you can argue with me until you are blue in the face, I won't engage anymore about this because it will just go in circles. just like the fighting in Israel.
Iranian style Pallywood 
Iran state TV airs clip of blaze in Chile, claims it shows destruction in Israel
Fact-finding analyst highlights spurious Islamic Republic broadcasting amid wave of social media clips falsely claiming Israel was pounded by Iranian rockets
A video clip aired by Iran’s state TV service claiming to show fiery destruction in Israel due to a massive Iranian missile and drone attack is months-old footage of a fire in Chile, a reporter for a fact-finding division of the BBC clarified Sunday.
Shayan Sardarizadeh posted screen captures from the video broadcast by Iran alongside shots from the same video circulating on social media earlier this year.
Iran on Saturday night launched a large wave of around 300 attack drones and missiles from its territory toward the Jewish state, in the first-ever direct attack on Israel by the Islamic Republic, triggering air raid sirens throughout the country.
Tensions between Israel and Iran had reached a new high in recent days as the Islamic Republic vowed to avenge seven Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps members, including two generals, who were killed in an alleged Israeli airstrike on a building near Tehran’s consulate in Damascus on April 1.
The Israel Defense Forces said Sunday that 99 percent of the incoming missiles and drones were downed before they reached the country. Several ballistic missiles hit inside an airbase, causing minor damage. The US, UK, France, and Jordan all participated in efforts to intercept the incoming drones.
www.timesofisrael.com
Iran state TV airs clip of blaze in Chile, claims it shows destruction in Israel
Fact-finding analyst highlights spurious Islamic Republic broadcasting amid wave of social media clips falsely claiming Israel was pounded by Iranian rockets
A video clip aired by Iran’s state TV service claiming to show fiery destruction in Israel due to a massive Iranian missile and drone attack is months-old footage of a fire in Chile, a reporter for a fact-finding division of the BBC clarified Sunday.
Shayan Sardarizadeh posted screen captures from the video broadcast by Iran alongside shots from the same video circulating on social media earlier this year.
Iran on Saturday night launched a large wave of around 300 attack drones and missiles from its territory toward the Jewish state, in the first-ever direct attack on Israel by the Islamic Republic, triggering air raid sirens throughout the country.
Tensions between Israel and Iran had reached a new high in recent days as the Islamic Republic vowed to avenge seven Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps members, including two generals, who were killed in an alleged Israeli airstrike on a building near Tehran’s consulate in Damascus on April 1.
The Israel Defense Forces said Sunday that 99 percent of the incoming missiles and drones were downed before they reached the country. Several ballistic missiles hit inside an airbase, causing minor damage. The US, UK, France, and Jordan all participated in efforts to intercept the incoming drones.
Iran state TV airs clip of blaze in Chile, claims it shows destruction in Israel
Fact-finding analyst highlights spurious Islamic Republic broadcasting amid wave of social media clips falsely claiming Israel was pounded by Iranian rockets
www.timesofisrael.com
Wouldn’t it be nice if regimes like Russia and Iran would just feed fake videos to their population instead of actual war and death?Iranian style Pallywood
Iran state TV airs clip of blaze in Chile, claims it shows destruction in Israel
Fact-finding analyst highlights spurious Islamic Republic broadcasting amid wave of social media clips falsely claiming Israel was pounded by Iranian rockets
A video clip aired by Iran’s state TV service claiming to show fiery destruction in Israel due to a massive Iranian missile and drone attack is months-old footage of a fire in Chile, a reporter for a fact-finding division of the BBC clarified Sunday.
Shayan Sardarizadeh posted screen captures from the video broadcast by Iran alongside shots from the same video circulating on social media earlier this year.
Iran on Saturday night launched a large wave of around 300 attack drones and missiles from its territory toward the Jewish state, in the first-ever direct attack on Israel by the Islamic Republic, triggering air raid sirens throughout the country.
Tensions between Israel and Iran had reached a new high in recent days as the Islamic Republic vowed to avenge seven Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps members, including two generals, who were killed in an alleged Israeli airstrike on a building near Tehran’s consulate in Damascus on April 1.
The Israel Defense Forces said Sunday that 99 percent of the incoming missiles and drones were downed before they reached the country. Several ballistic missiles hit inside an airbase, causing minor damage. The US, UK, France, and Jordan all participated in efforts to intercept the incoming drones.
Iran state TV airs clip of blaze in Chile, claims it shows destruction in Israel
Fact-finding analyst highlights spurious Islamic Republic broadcasting amid wave of social media clips falsely claiming Israel was pounded by Iranian rockets
Okay, so if you aren't for Israel's position, then why dont you support the pro-Palestinian protestors? They are not asking to genocide Jews. They are asking for Palestinian sovereignty. With Palestinian sovereignty comes peace and an end to all these things.
Proud to stand in solidarity with #Toronto's Jewish community after the Islamic Regime in Iran's attack on Israel.
@JustinTrudeau
must immediately: — Designate the #IRGC on the terrorist list; and — Remove the arms embargo to support democratic ally Israel's defence. Shame on those “peaceful protestors” who romanticize terrorism & cheered for the Islamic regime on the streets of Toronto
