Sure. JDL hasn't committed any terrorism in a couple decades yet you still call them terrorists so we can reconvene in 2027 and discuss whether Hamas are still terrorists. Until then we'll have to agree with Canada, the EU, and the US that Hamas is a terrorist entity.
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Between '85 and 2001 JDL committed more terrorism then Islamic extremists.Sure. JDL hasn't committed any terrorism in a couple decades yet you still call them terrorists so we can reconvene in 2027 and discuss whether Hamas are still terrorists. Until then we'll have to agree with Canada, the EU, and the US that Hamas is a terrorist entity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_LeagueIn a 1986 study of domestic terrorism, the Department of Energy concluded: "For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States. [...] Since 1968, JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22. Thirty-nine percent of the targets were connected with the Soviet Union; 9 percent were Palestinian; 8 percent were Lebanese; 6 percent, Egyptian; 4 percent, French, Iranian, and Iraqi; 1 percent, Polish and German; and 23 percent were not connected with any states. Sixty-two percent of all JDL actions are directed against property; 30 percent against businesses; 4 percent against academics and academic institutions; and 2 percent against religious targets." (Department of Energy, Terrorism in the United States and the Potential Threat to Nuclear Facilities, R-3351-DOE, January 1986, pp. 11–16)
Their present and past leaders call for ethnic cleansing, yet here you are defending them.
So much for your claims of defending human rights.
Um, no.Between '85 and 2001 JDL committed more terrorism then Islamic extremists.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
Between founding and 9/11 Hamas alone killed 199 in suicide bombings alone.
You also might have missed but JDL isn't designated a terrorist by Canada, the EU, or the US. Hamas is and oh yeah, their leaders present and past call for ethnic cleansing and instead of being some fringe group are a major player in Palestinian politics.
Do you realize how stupid you look in calling out JDL for terrorism while refusing to do so for Hamas?
We are talking terrorism in the US, not Israel.Um, no.
Funny how long you are spending defending an organization built around ethnic cleansing.
You're starting to sound like bud plug and his defence of Shields.
You now want to change the topic because even though you want to defend them, you know that Hamas are a disgusting group of racists and terrorists.We are talking terrorism in the US, not Israel.
Funny how long you are spending defending an organization built around ethnic cleansing.
You're starting to sound like bud plug and his defence of Shields.
Canada, the EU, and the US consider Hamas a terrorist entity. Instead of listening to them, you prefer reports commissioned by a bunch of dictators who are massive human rights abusers.
And yet the JDL has a history of committing terrorism in North American and Hamas doesn't.You now want to change the topic because even though you want to defend them, you know that Hamas are a disgusting group of racists and terrorists.
Canada, the EU, and the US consider Hamas a terrorist entity. Instead of listening to them, you prefer reports commissioned by a bunch of dictators who are massive human rights abusers.
And there you go accusing all the EWSCA members of being dictators and human rights abusers.
While defending Israeli apartheid!
Some set of standards you've got going there.
You should call for all those states, and Israel, to be held to the law and for all of them to cease all human rights abuses.
Instead you complain about those states commissioning studies, as if that were more evil then running an apartheid state.
And yet you are looking for more excuses to avoid criticizing Hamas and Palestinian terrorism in general. JDL are scum but aren't a terrorist group. Hamas is.And yet....
And yes, the vast majority of ESWCA members are massive human rights abusers. How many of the following are not horrible places for human rights?
Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, The Sudan, The Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, The United Arab Emirates and Yemen. Damn right I'll complain about most of them because they deserve it. Sadly you won't say a word of criticism about them though.
And I'll repeat. I'll stick with Canada, the EU, and US while you stick with some of the world's worst.
Oh, I agree, all of those countries have human rights abuse issues, as does the US and even Canada.And yet you are looking for more excuses to avoid criticizing Hamas and Palestinian terrorism in general. JDL are scum but aren't a terrorist group. Hamas is.
And yes, the vast majority of ESWCA members are massive human rights abusers. How many of the following are not horrible places for human rights?
Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, The Sudan, The Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, The United Arab Emirates and Yemen. Damn right I'll complain about most of them because they deserve it. Sadly you won't say a word of criticism about them though.
And I'll repeat. I'll stick with Canada, the EU, and US while you stick with some of the world's worst.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/united-states
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/canada
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/european-union
Can you find me many countries that are totally clean?
And can you find me any other country accused of apartheid and a half century of illegal occupation?
Oh, Iran passed the latest IAEA inspection.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...iran-living-nuclear-deal-171029121448119.html
And Israel continues to sell weapons for genocide.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...arms-trade-rogue-regimes-171022100816302.html
Are you seriously trying to compare Human rights in Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, Mauritania, Sudan, and the rest to Canada? Holly shit you're psychotic.Oh, I agree, all of those countries have human rights abuse issues, as does the US and even Canada....
Are you seriously trying to compare human rights in Israel with Qatar?Are you seriously trying to compare Human rights in Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, Mauritania, Sudan, and the rest to Canada? Holly shit you're psychotic.
Apartheid with ........?
And as another hilarious example of your hateful hypocrisy, you say I shouldn't criticize the massive human rights abuses in most ESWCA because Canada still has some problems. Yet at the same time, issues in Canada don't stop your rabid campaign against Israel's existence. Obviously it's only democracies you criticize.
With a couple exceptions, the ESWCA is the worst of the worst when it comes to human rights. Tunisia is the only country on that list with credibility when it comes to human rights yet you refuse to condemn any of them unless it furthers your agenda (like when you briefly criticized Saudi as a tool to condemn the US).
With a couple exceptions, the ESWCA is the worst of the worst when it comes to human rights. Tunisia is the only country on that list with credibility when it comes to human rights yet you refuse to condemn any of them unless it furthers your agenda (like when you briefly criticized Saudi as a tool to condemn the US).
I've condemned Saudi Arabia (who you keep defending) as well as Israel. We had a fun argument about which is worse, which you only barely lost.And as another hilarious example of your hateful hypocrisy, you say I shouldn't criticize the massive human rights abuses in most ESWCA because Canada still has some problems. Yet at the same time, issues in Canada don't stop your rabid campaign against Israel's existence. Obviously it's only democracies you criticize.
With a couple exceptions, the ESWCA is the worst of the worst when it comes to human rights. Tunisia is the only country on that list with credibility when it comes to human rights yet you refuse to condemn any of them unless it furthers your agenda (like when you briefly criticized Saudi as a tool to condemn the US).
But none of the ESWCA rule through apartheid, which is one step below genocide in the list of human rights horrors or crimes.
So unless you've got one of those ESWCA countries committing genocide, then I'm sorry, but Israel is winning the race to the bottom there as well.
Congrats.
(and if you do, we can also start discussing Israel's support of genocide in Myanmar as well, that also looks to be lots of fun.)
1) Only as a tool to attack US policyI've condemned Saudi Arabia (who you keep defending)
2) Where the fuck do you get off claiming I defend Saudi Arabia?
You are pathetic and disgusting. You know your posts have zero merit so all you can do is lie about what other people say. You are the worst kind of bigot who dresses up his bias in pretty sounding language. It's quite clear you feel Muslims and Arabs are incapable of moral behaviour and you have enough of an ego that you want to impose your will on them. You show exactly the same kind of colonial era racism that you claim to be against.
1) Only as a tool to attack US policy
2) Where the fuck do you get off claiming I defend Saudi Arabia?
You are pathetic and disgusting. You know your posts have zero merit so all you can do is lie about what other people say. You are the worst kind of bigot who dresses up his bias in pretty sounding language. It's quite clear you feel Muslims and Arabs are incapable of moral behaviour and you have enough of an ego that you want to impose your will on them. You show exactly the same kind of colonial era racism that you claim to be against.
As noted, I support investigations and laying of charges bases on UN, HRW and Amnesty reports.
I support the rule of law and human rights for all parties.
You should get over your anger issues and learn to support human rights for all peoples.
And you have repeatedly denied that Hamas has done anything wrong. Shows you are full of shit.As noted, I support investigations and laying of charges ....
You are a supporter of Hamas and an unrepentant liar. You have no claim to speak for human rights.
No, I have noted that the charges you accuse Hamas are questionable.And you have repeatedly denied that Hamas has done anything wrong. Shows you are full of shit.
You are a supporter of Hamas and an unrepentant liar. You have no claim to speak for human rights.
I trust the findings of the UN, HRW and Amnesty, just not you.
You, after all, started this thread by lying about Iran's nuclear fuel for page after page.
Crazy denials. I love how you pretend Hamas is innocent even when Hamas claims credit and when HRW, Amnesty, UN, Canada, the EU, and US call them out for it. Your track record is hilarious.No, I have noted that the charges you accuse Hamas are questionable.....
But any accusation gets made against Israel and you happily jump on board without a moment's hesitation. No need for investigation when you want to demonize Israel.
No, I have noted that the charges you accuse Hamas are questionable.Crazy denials. I love how you pretend Hamas is innocent even when Hamas claims credit and when HRW, Amnesty, UN, Canada, the EU, and US call them out for it. Your track record is hilarious.
But any accusation gets made against Israel and you happily jump on board without a moment's hesitation. No need for investigation when you want to demonize Israel.
I trust the findings of the UN, HRW and Amnesty, just not you.
You, after all, started this thread by lying about Iran's nuclear fuel for page after page.
I support the rule of law and human rights for all parties.
You should get over your anger issues and learn to support human rights for all peoples.
Which shows you have no interest in holding Palestinians accountable, only Israel.No, I have noted that the charges you accuse Hamas are questionable.....
For instance, the UN (the actual UN, not your cabal of dictators), Amnesty, and HRW all agree that Hamas and other Palestinian terror factions committed numerous crimes against humanity during the Gaza war yet you disagree. Of course you automatically promote any charge made against Israel no matter how ridiculous.
The rights respecting world agrees that Hamas is a terrorist group but you would rather follow the lead of UAE, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Iran.
Its so sad you have to lie so often.Which shows you have no interest in holding Palestinians accountable, only Israel.
For instance, the UN (the actual UN, not your cabal of dictators), Amnesty, and HRW all agree that Hamas and other Palestinian terror factions committed numerous crimes against humanity during the Gaza war yet you disagree. Of course you automatically promote any charge made against Israel no matter how ridiculous.
The rights respecting world agrees that Hamas is a terrorist group but you would rather follow the lead of UAE, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Iran.
As you did in the first bunch of pages in this thread about Iranian nuclear stocks.
I suspect that the charges laid by HRW, Amnesty and the UN about Hamas are correct, as I suspect their charges about Israel are as well.
That's why I stand by my call for both sides to be charged and held before the law, based on those charges.
