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Yup, you were caught lying again, there is nothing in the quote that says Hamas supports terrorism, as you claimed.
And I call out Israel more because they kill way more civilians then Hamas does.
Nobody, including Israel, has a right to attack civilians or to collectively put them in the world's largest prison.
You keep on being an apologist for Palestinian terrorism. Everyone including Hamas knows that they use the terms 'resistance' to describe terrorism.

But you are afraid of criticizing Hamas terrorism because it would mean you hate something other than Israel existence.
 

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You keep on being an apologist for Palestinian terrorism. Everyone including Hamas knows that they use the terms 'resistance' to describe terrorism.
Resistance is not terrorism.
Nice try.

You were caught lying and your only argument is that?
Pathetic.
 

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Resistance is not terrorism.....
The why does Hamas keep praising attacks on Israeli civilians calling them 'resistance' and 'self defense'?

A quick google search:

Attack on police
Sami Abu Zouhri, spokesman for Hamas, said in a statement that “the Jerusalem operation is a natural response to Israeli terrorism and the desecration of the Al-Aqsa Mosque.” He said the attack proves “that the Intifada continues and our people are united behind the resistance.”
http://www.newsweek.com/jerusalem-a...ooting-sign-continued-intifada-against-636640

A stabbing attack on a bus that inured 16
“A morning of resistance, a morning for the nation,” wrote Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum on his Facebook page, above a photo of a black-handled combat knife lying on the pavement encircled by police tape.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-leaders-praise-tel-aviv-stabbing-as-heroic/

Plenty of other examples
 

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The why does Hamas keep praising attacks on Israeli civilians calling them 'resistance' and 'self defense'?

A quick google search:
The word 'resistance' is not equal to the word 'terrorism', and no, Hamas didn't say they supported terrorism in their charter as you claimed.

And note that the Israeli's killed were 'border police' or 'border guards', who work with the IDF on 'counter terrorism'.
The Israel Border Police (Hebrew: מִשְׁמַר הַגְּבוּל‎, Mišmar Ha-Gvul) is the gendarmerie and border security branch of the Israel National Police. It is also commonly known by its Hebrew abbreviation Magav (מג"ב‎), meaning border guard; its members are colloquially known as Magavnikim (מג"בניקים‎). Border Guard is often used as the official name of the Israel Border Police in English. While its main task is securing Israel's borders, it has also been deployed in assisting the Israel Defense Forces, and for counter-terrorism and law enforcement operations in the West Bank, as well as in Jerusalem.

The Israeli Border Police is renowned for including a large number of soldiers from minority backgrounds, being a particularly popular choice with Druze recruits, but also includes many soldiers from Circassian, Arab Christian and Bedouin background.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Border_Police

That doesn't sound like a civilian force.

The Border Police, known by the Hebrew acronym Magav, has recently become the most popular unit among new Israel Defense Forces recruits for combat service, according to IDF and Israel Police figures. The unit has pulled ahead of those that used to be the most popular, including Golani, the Paratroops and Givati.
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.740866
And again, Israeli's killed 3071 Palestinians since 2009.
They are the violent ones, the ones occupying and the ones running apartheid.

Can I buy you a membership at IJV?
Sounds like you need to hear it from the only side you'll listen to.
http://ijvcanada.org/
 

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The word 'resistance' is not equal to the word 'terrorism', and no, Hamas didn't say they supported terrorism in their charter as you claimed....
So Hamas describes terror attacks as resistance but you still want to pretend otherwise. Nice.


And Hamas once again undermines your argument. Their leader in Gaza just stated:
“Over is the time Hamas spent discussing recognizing Israel. Now Hamas will discuss when we will wipe out Israel,” Sinwar said, according to the Hamas-linked news agency Shehab.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-chief-we-wont-discuss-recognizing-israel-only-wiping-it-out/

And you will still 'promote peace' without the slightest criticism of Hamas openly rejecting peace and supporting Israel's destruction. You are a complete fraud.
 

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And note that the Israeli's killed were 'border police' or 'border guards', who work with the IDF on 'counter terrorism'....
And as I said, you will look for any excuse to avoid criticizing Palestinian terrorism.

BTW. Toronto police routinely work with CSIS on counter-terrorism. Do they loose their civilian status too?
 

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So Hamas describes terror attacks as resistance but you still want to pretend otherwise. Nice.


And Hamas once again undermines your argument. Their leader in Gaza just stated:
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I know, they talk such evil its a miracle Israel just doesn't nuke the lot of them.
That makes them sound like such an evil party, who does that remind me of?
. President Donald Trump delivered a fiery, combative speech to the United Nations General Assembly, threatening to “totally destroy” North Korea,
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/19/at-u-n-trump-threatens-to-totally-destroy-north-korea/

You gonna call Trump a terrorist too?

All we know is that Israel has killed 3071 Palestinians while Palestinians have killed 51 and you seem to think that the violent ones are the Palestinians.
Those are the facts, regardless of who is talking tough.
 

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And as I said, you will look for any excuse to avoid criticizing Palestinian terrorism.
The wiki page says they are a branch of the IDF, so no, they aren't civilian and that's not terrorism.
Use your terms correctly, otherwise you're treading into hate speech.
 

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The wiki page says they are a branch of the IDF, so no, they aren't civilian and that's not terrorism.
Use your terms correctly, otherwise you're treading into hate speech.
You keep looking for any excuse to avoid criticizing Palestinians.

Hamas promotes terrorism. Hamas commits terrorism. Hamas refuses to discuss peace and only wants Israel destroyed. It is sad that you can't see your way to criticize any of that.
 

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You keep looking for any excuse to avoid criticizing Palestinians.

Hamas promotes terrorism. Hamas commits terrorism. Hamas refuses to discuss peace and only wants Israel destroyed. It is sad that you can't see your way to criticize any of that.
If you recall, this started with a challenge of what heinous acts either Hamas or Israel were up to in the last week.
I posted a pretty massive list of Israeli acts, you dug back to June to find one act that was just rebellion against an illegal occupation.

Hamas committed a lot of terrorism, but lately have turned away from it. They now stop most rockets and have stated they will accept the two state solution and have promised to stop using terrorism. That deserves praise, much as when the IRA and Mandella turned away from terrorism. Should they resort to more terrorism, I'll criticize them.

Until then I'll criticize the side running apartheid.
That's way worse then anything Hamas is up to now.
 

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So you are forced to admit that Hamas is anti-peace and pro-war but you try to quickly change the topic.

And what in my posting history makes you think I support Trump?
Hamas talks tough, like Trump, but their recent actions have them working towards peace, unlike Trump.
Agreeing to not use terrorism is a move towards peace.
This is not:
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779347
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779350
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779337

Again, is Hamas guilty of anything as bad in the same timeframe?
 

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Hamas talks tough,...
Actually they talk like terrorists and act like terrorists. In fact they are terrorists according to Canada, the US, and the EU.

I agree that it would be a move towards stability if they actually stop committing terrorism but as long as the Hamas leadership believes “Over is the time Hamas spent discussing recognizing Israel. Now Hamas will discuss when we will wipe out Israel,” moving towards peace is impossible.
 

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You recall where you have repeatedly claimed Hamas was opposed to terrorism? Too bad Hamas' own words expose you as a fraud.
Too bad Hamas' actions expose you as a fraud.
They have been stopping rocket attacks from other groups and have now promised not to use terrorism while in the unity government.

Your fixation on the word 'terrorism' has blinded you to the fact that you are supporting the far worse crime of apartheid.
 

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Too bad Hamas' actions expose you as a fraud.
Except when they have committed terror attacks and had cells planning terror busted in this past year.

They have been stopping rocket attacks from other groups
Except the ones they haven't. At least 16 have been fired this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2017

and have now promised not to use terrorism while in the unity government.
We'll see. If they follow through then I'll praise their choice. They will also have to do a 180 on policy though and stop trying to destroy Israel and accept the concept of a permanent peace.

Your fixation on the word 'terrorism' ...
Sorry pal but whatever bullshit you want to claim about Israel, Hamas are a designated terrorist entity according to Canada, the US, and the EU. The fact that you continually try to make excuses why their attack are okay changes nothing.
 

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So then you think Trump talks like a terrorist, as he said almost the exact same thing about North Korea.
Although I'd prefer otherwise, Trump is the elected leader of the US. Hamas are a terrorist group that only hold Gaza because of a military coup against the executive and the Palestinian constitution.
 

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Except when they have committed terror attacks and had cells planning terror busted in this past year.
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Again, those pale in comparison the daily war crimes, state terrorism and apartheid that Israel does daily.
You have to dig back 6 months, but the weekly reports from pchr.org are way more shocking.

20 Palestinian civilians, including 14 children, were wounded in the West Bank, Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip.

Israeli forces conducted 47 incursions into Palestinian communities in the West Bank and 8 others into occupied Jerusalem.

50 civilians, including 7 children, were arrested in the West Bank.

6 of them, including a child, were arrested in Jerusalem and its suburbs.

Israeli forces closed 8 offices of 3 media companies and arrested 2 journalists in the West Bank.

Israeli forces continue to target the Gaza Strip border areas.

Israeli authorities continue to make a Jewish majority in occupied East Jerusalem.

Two houses were demolished in Silwan village without a prior warning while the demolition of a third house was delayed.

Israeli forces continue settlement activities in the West Bank

3 dunums and 600 square meters were seized from al-Ta’amrah lands, east of Bethlehem.

Israeli forces continued to target the Palestinian fishermen in the Gaza Strip Sea.

12 Shooting incidents were documented against Palestinian fishing boats in the northern and southern Gaza Strip. No casualties were reported.

Four fishermen were arrested, and their boat and 8 fishing nets were confiscated in addition to destroying and drowning a boat in the Sea in the northern Gaza Strip.

Israeli forces turned the West Bank into cantons and continued to impose the illegal closure on the Gaza Strip for the 10th

Dozens of temporary checkpoints were established in the West Bank and others were re-established to obstruct the movement of Palestinian civilians.

2 Palestinian civilians were arrested at the checkpoints in the West Bank.
http://pchrgaza.org/en/?p=9656
 

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Again, ...
You go to disgusting lengths to avoid criticizing Hamas terrorism and rejection of peace.


p.s It is also amusing how you claim that we shouldn't listen to the military experts but then you jump to a Palestinian rights organization that only criticized Israel as a valid source (of course if the criticized Hamas or the PA they'd be locked up, tortured, and/or shot).

p.p.s. I see your 'unbiased' source chooses to omit why all these Palestinians were arrested. Seems once again you are unwilling to criticize Palestinian actions but are happy to criticize Israeli police for doing their job.
 
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