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The UN's refusal to condemn Israel of apartheid or genocide combined with your incessant to the contrary is hate speech. You are knowingly spreading falsehoods about Israel for the sole purpose of inciting hate against Israel. That is disgusting.
Here's the UN report on Israeli genocide.

Here's the UN report finding Israel is apartheid.
 
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Kautilya

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The process is irrelevant. The UN clearly passes the type of resolution that you explicitly told us that they do not. It was a blanket statement by you with no qualifiers. Now, since you've been proven wrong, you are pretzelling and moving the goalposts by saying, "Oh, it's the process." Your debating skills are severely lacking. You need to remain consistent to have any credibility.

The History Channel article proved how false your claims are. You need to admit that your statements were wrong and they were all part of a vain attempt to explain why the UN has NEVER passed any resolutions condemning Israel of committing apartheid or genocide as you constantly accuse them of.

The UN's refusal to condemn Israel of apartheid or genocide combined with your incessant to the contrary is hate speech. You are knowingly spreading falsehoods about Israel for the sole purpose of inciting hate against Israel. That is disgusting.
The only thing that is relevant is the process. You said, the UN passes resolutions against countries. I said they adopt resolutions against crimes, not countries. You disproved yourself by showing an instance of the UN actually passing a resolution against a crime thereby negating your own statements and pretzeling yourself.

You also pretzeled yourself by first denying there was any apartheid in South Africa, then saying you support apartheid and then showing a resolution that condemned apartheid. You further pretzeled yourself when you called UN reports, "not worth the paper they were written on", but repeatedly and incorrectly use UN resolutions and reports, to try and further your points, only to end up shooting yourself in the dick every single time.

Also, the ICJ's opinion that Israel should stop genocide and stop incitement to genocide, is enough proof, that Israel is engaging in genocide. Further, the UN General Assembly infact adopted a resolution in the 80s condemning Israel for being a participant in genocide in Lebanon. That is unrelated to the Gaza genocide of course, but it irrefutably shows you that Israel has engaged and continues to engage in genocide, and it is for all intents and purposes state policy to do so. Infact, denying this reality is hate speech of the most severe order because there is no worse crime than genocide.
 

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Here's the UN report on Israeli genocide.
Keep deflecting. A report is not a resolution. A report has no binding authority like a resolution has.

Neither the body of the UN nor the UNSC has ever passed a resolution condemning Israel of apartheid or genocide. You should acknowledge what is an actual fact instead of trying to sleaze around it.

Please produce a resolution condemning Israel of genocide and if you can't please stop knowingly promoting hate speech. That is what you are doing.
 
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Keep deflecting. A report is not a resolution. A report has no binding authority like a resolution has.

Neither the body of the UN nor the UNSC has ever passed a resolution condemning Israel of apartheid or genocide. You should acknowledge what is an actual fact instead of trying to sleaze around it.

Please produce a resolution condemning Israel of genocide and if you can't please stop knowingly promoting hate speech. That is what you are doing.
There is absolutely no requirement for a resolution to be adopted by the UN General Assembly to consider a crime of genocide, a genocide. You are basically saying "others dont agree" or "others havent yet agreed". As I said once before, relying on other's support, is weakness and a lack of conviction in your arguments.

The only thing that needs to happen is for a crime to meet the minimum criteria set forth by the UN genocide convention, to be considered a genocide. The report irrefutably proves that Israeli actions in Gaza amount to genocide.

Hence genocide.
 

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Keep deflecting. A report is not a resolution. A report has no binding authority like a resolution has.

Neither the body of the UN nor the UNSC has ever passed a resolution condemning Israel of apartheid or genocide. You should acknowledge what is an actual fact instead of trying to sleaze around it.

Please produce a resolution condemning Israel of genocide and if you can't please stop knowingly promoting hate speech. That is what you are doing.
Israeli policies are now being brought to the US.



 
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Wow that is an absolutely shameful pic. Reminds me of 19th century colonial era racism. Which is incidentally what Zionism is.
The speaker will end up being the one booted out.
Jama was in the right when the NDP kicked her out and she's still in the right now.
 
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There is absolutely no requirement for a resolution to be adopted
Such a ridiculous claim. How about a finding of guilt as a requirement?

You are now arguing that a finding of guilt is not required for a resolution convicting a country of guilt. I see that your mastery of logic has not changed.
 

Kautilya

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Such a ridiculous claim. How about a finding of guilt as a requirement?

You are now arguing that a finding of guilt is not required for a resolution convicting a country of guilt. I see that your mastery of logic has not changed.
It is not the UN General Assembly's job, to find anyone guilty. Again, this shows you have no idea of what you are talking about. You are stringing words together. But they are meaningless mumbo jumbo.
 

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The only thing that is relevant is the process.
You are a very funny guy.

The only thing that is relevant is the end result, i.e. whether or not the UNGA adopts a resolution. If you had that, your argument may have some substance. Sadly, for you, you have utterly failed to produce such a document.

So I'll ask you once again, please produce the numbered resolution passed by the UNGA or the UNSC condemning Israel of genocide or apartheid.
 

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Israeli policies are now being brought to the US.
So, are you now claiming that this proves that the UN has passed a resolution condemning Israel of genocide, because that is what we were discussing and you were supposed to produce the UNGA or UNSC resolution that says so.

Instead you post a picture from an American college.😲 :LOL: :ROFLMAO: 😂
 

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It is not the UN General Assembly's job, to find anyone guilty.
So I was right. You are claiming that no finding of guilty behaviour is required to render a guilty verdict. LOLOLOLOL.

If the UNGA wants to pass a resolution claiming guilt, it most certainly IS their job. They need to be able to justify their verdict.
 
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So I was right. You are claiming that no finding of guilty behaviour is required to render a guilty verdict. LOLOLOLOL.

If the UNGA wants to pass a resolution claiming guilt, it most certainly IS their job.
That is an incoherent, non-response. A non-sequitur. As I said, you are stringing words together but they are meaningless mumbo jumbo.
You are a very funny guy.

The only thing that is relevant is the end result, i.e. whether or not the UNGA adopts a resolution. If you had that, your argument may have some substance. Sadly, for you, you have utterly failed to produce such a document.

So I'll ask you once again, please produce the numbered resolution passed by the UNGA or the UNSC condemning Israel of genocide or apartheid.
Whether or not the UNGA or UNSC adopt a resolution is irrelevant. The UNSC is made up of countries that are genocide supporters, who act in bad faith, not just on this issue but many others as well. Hence the calls for UNSC reform. Same with the UNGA where countries act with their own interests in mind and hence passing a resolution is a political affair, not a reflection of fact.

What is relevant are UN reports, ICJ and ICC, the latter two of which specifically focus on war crimes and genocide. These are the elements of the UN that deal with facts. Atleast to the extent possible. Are there UN reports calling Israel's actions in Gaza genocide? Yes there are. Did the ICJ provide an advisory opinion that Israel should stop genocide and stop incitement to genocide? Yes, they did. Hence genocide. Nothing else is relevant.
 
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So, are you now claiming that this proves that the UN has passed a resolution condemning Israel of genocide, because that is what we were discussing and you were supposed to produce the UNGA or UNSC resolution that says so.

Instead you post a picture from an American college.😲 :LOL: :ROFLMAO: 😂
Your stance is as idiotic as MAGAts demanding that unless trump is sent behind bars for over 10 years, he's innocent and everything else is weaponizing the legal system.

You keep thinking that narrowing your entire moral argument into 'it must be a UN resolution' makes you look smart instead of showing how pathetically tiny your argument has become.

 
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The pro peace crowd here were happy that after Israel destroyed an Iranian embassy the Iranians found a way to respond that stopped the escalation into full on war.
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Sorry but which country launched 300 drones and ballistic missiles, even though those drones have been proven incapable of targeting specific sites?

And you must be upset that Jordan actively shot some down while Saudi and some Iraqi sources helped in the targeting.
 

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How was Hamas supposed to ceasefire when its Israel doing all the bombing and invading, basketcase?
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I know you think Palestinians are sub-human but in the real world, they could have agreed to any of the half-dozen ceasefire proposals.



Hamas violated the UNSC order by rejecting deals and refusing to release the hostages. Sadly you love Hamas' violent goals so much you refuse to believe they are accountable for their actions.
 
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