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Frankfooter

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Not gonna waste my time or TERB bandwidth playing your stupid questions game. People can read what we each wrote and draw their own conclusions.
If you insist, this was you quoting Meir Kahane.
I have to say that I didn't think 'every accusation is a confession' would include all your accusations of supporter terrorism.

Actually it means that Jews will make sure that they will not allow such a threat happen to their race again.

Others have appropriated it for their own causes. Do you think that the renowned Meir Kahane was concerned about other genocides. If so, then he was a true humanitarian and philanthropist. Personally, I think he was only referring to Jews.
Wiki:
"Never again" is a phrase or slogan which is associated with the lessons of the Holocaust and other genocides. The slogan was used by liberated prisoners at Buchenwald concentration camp to denounce fascism. It was popularized by Jewish Defense League founder Meir Kahane in his 1971 book, Never Again! A Program for Survival.

The exact meaning of the phrase is debated, including whether it should be used as a particularistic command to avert a
second Holocaust of Jews or whether it is a universalist injunction to prevent all forms of genocide.

The phrase is widely used by politicians and writers and it also appears on many
Holocaust memorials. It has also been appropriated as a political slogan for other causes, from commemoration of the 1976 Argentine coup, the promotion of gun control or abortion rights, and as an injunction to war on terror after the September 11 attacks.

There absolutely zero dispute or debate when it is in reference to the Holocaust. The debate materializes only when people try to apply it to other events. It's kind of like how "apartheid" has been misappropriated and redefined for the sole purpose of demonizing Israel

It's an amazing coincidence, that in both of those cases, the misappropriation of a term/phrase involves Israel and both in a negative way. It must be the occupation that makes definitions change before our very eyes.
 

basketcase

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...now you're defending Kahanists as well.
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You're a fucking loser.

As I said, Kahane isn't listed as a terrorist because he's dead. Kach is, just like Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, ...There are many posts where I condemn Kach just like there are many posts where I condemn Hamas (something you are to elitist to do)


p.s. You quoted Kahane too. That's where this discussion started.
 

Frankfooter

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Thanks for admitting you have zero interest in equal rights, just the destruction of the Jewish presence.
You sound crazier and crazier these days.
Prior to the genocide the one state solution with equal rights was the best option.
Palestinians should be given the option to choose whether its a one state or two state and how much restitution Israel should pay.
Now, zionism needs to be dismantled the way nazis were taken out of power in Germany.
Germany still existed, just without fuckwad genocidal racists running it.

Why would you argue that genocidal war criminals should get to rule as long as they want?


 

Frankfooter

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So why do you support the views of Bin Laden?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
What a fucking stupid question.

You quoted the terrorist Kahane and declared you back his philosophy, calling him 'renowned'.
All I did was say yes, Kahane and Bin Lade are both equally renowned terrorists.

You're going to need to do better on the hasbara, this attack is really quite pathetic.
 

Frankfooter

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You're a fucking loser.

As I said, Kahane isn't listed as a terrorist because he's dead. Kach is, just like Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, ...There are many posts where I condemn Kach just like there are many posts where I condemn Hamas (something you are to elitist to do)


p.s. You quoted Kahane too. That's where this discussion started.
Cut the insults, please.

Now you're joining up with shack with equally idiotic claims. Are you going to declare that Bin Laden isn't a terrorist too because he's also dead?

This discussion started when shack quoted Kahane and declared he backed his philosophy, calling Kahane 'renowned'.
I quoted Kahane and the Canadian government listing that says Kahanists like Kach are listed as terrorists.

For some reason you think quoting the government and identifying terrorists means you are backing them.
By this screwy logic you have declared yourself a Hamas supporter by repeatedly quoting them.

Hamas has committed some war crimes, Israel has committed way more, including the illegal occupation, apartheid and genocide. Israel wins hands down by committing the most evil crimes against humanity, crimes only committed by regimes like Pol Pot and the Nazis. Take both Hamas and Israel to trial at the ICC and ICJ, ban zionists the way nazis are banned.

How can you defend these acts and think you are the good side?


 

Frankfooter

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Why do you support the views of Hamas, PIJ, and PFLP? Canada considers them just as terrorist as Kach.
Why do you beat your wife?
Stop with the stupid straw man shite.

I back peace, equal human rights and the application of international law to both sides.
End the occupation, end apartheid and end the genocide.

Germany is arresting protesters for speaking in Arabic now. Your movement is cracking down on free speech globally and implementing right wing fascism in the US.
Back free speech and equal rights. Not racism through colonialism and zionism.

 

basketcase

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Cut the insults, please.
...
Then cut the lies and cut the spambot promotion of hatred.

Still waiting for you to explain why you think Kach being on Canada's terrorist list makes Israel evil yet keep pretending that Hamas, PIJ, and PFLP being on that list is just a political lies.
 

basketcase

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Why do ...
You have repeatedly said those groups shouldn't be designated terror entities, repeatedly parroted their racist propaganda, and repeatedly justified their behaviours even after your own sources condemn them.


Your "equal rights" claims are obvious bullshit as you repeatedly state that jews have no right to be in the West bank and have repeatedly stated that only Muslims should be allowed at shared holy sites.

Your "international law" claims are obviously bullshit since you endlessly justify Hamas war crimes while also trying to deny them.
 

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This discussion started when shack quoted Kahane and declared he backed his philosophy, calling Kahane 'renowned'.
Sorry. If you say that I support Kahane's ideals because I said he was "renowned", then the same applies to you when you said that Bin Laden was "renowned".

And quoting someone does not equate with backing their philosophy.

With logic like that, anybody whoever quoted Mein Kampf backs Hitler's philosophy. Is that your claim?

Churchill quoted Mein Kampf:

50,51

The main thesis of Mein Kampf is simple.
  • Man is a fighting animal; therefore the nation, being a community of fighters, is a fighting unit.
  • Any living organism which ceases to fight for its existence is doomed to extinction.
  • A country or race which ceases to fight is equally doomed. The fighting capacity of a race depends on its purity. Hence the need for ridding it of foreign defilements.
  • The Jewish race, owing to its universality, is of necessity pacifist and internationalist. Pacifism is the deadliest sin; for it means the surrender of the race in the fight for existence.
  • The first duty of every country is therefore to nationalise the masses; intelligence in the case of the individual is not of first importance; will and determination are the prime qualities.
  • The individual who is born to command is more valuable than countless thousands of subordinate natures.
  • Only brute force can ensure the survival of the race; hence the necessity for military forms.
  • The race must fight; a race that rests must rust and perish. Had the German race been united in good time, it would have been already master of the globe.
  • The new Reich must gather within its fold all the scattered German elements in Europe.
  • A race which has suffered defeat can be rescued by restoring its self-confidence.
  • Above all things the Army must be taught to believe in its own invincibility.
  • To restore the German nation, the people must be convinced that the recovery of freedom by force of arms is possible.
  • The aristocratic principle is fundamentally sound. Intellectualism is undesirable.
  • The ultimate aim of education is to produce a German who can be converted with the minimum of training into a soldier.
  • The greatest upheavals in history would have been unthinkable had it not been for the driving force of fanatical and hysterical passions.
  • Nothing could have been effected by the bourgeois virtues of peace and order.
  • The world is now moving towards such an upheaval, and the new German State must see to it that the race is ready for the last and greatest decisions on this earth.
  • Foreign policy may be unscrupulous.
  • It is not the task of diplomacy to allow a nation to founder heroically, but rather to see that it can prosper and survive.
  • England and Italy are the only two possible allies for Germany. No country will enter into an alliance with a cowardly pacifist state run by democrats and Marxists.
  • So long as Germany does not fend for herself, nobody will fend for her.
  • Her lost provinces cannot be regained by solemn appeals to Heaven or by pious hopes in the League of Nations, but only by force of arms.
  • Germany must not repeat the mistake of fighting all her enemies at once.
  • She must single out the most dangerous and attack him with all her forces.
  • The world will only cease to be anti-German when Germany recovers equality of rights and resumes her place in the sun.
  • There must be no sentimentality about Germany’s foreign policy.
  • To attack France for purely sentimental reasons would be foolish.
  • What Germany needs is increase of territory in Europe.
  • Germany’s pre-war colonial policy was a mistake and should be abandoned.
  • Germany must look for expansion to Russia and especially to the Baltic States.
  • No alliance with Russia can be tolerated. To wage war together with Russia against the West would be criminal, for the aim of the Soviets is the triumph of international Judaism.
Such were the “granite pillars” of his policy
 
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Frankfooter

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Sorry. If you say that I support Kahane's ideals because I said he was "renowned", then the same applies to you when you said that Bin Laden was "renowned".

And quoting someone does not equate with backing their philosophy.

With logic like that, anybody whoever quoted Mein Kampf backs Hitler's philosophy. Is that your claim?

Churchill quoted Mein Kampf:

50,51

The main thesis of Mein Kampf is simple.
  • Man is a fighting animal; therefore the nation, being a community of fighters, is a fighting unit.
  • Any living organism which ceases to fight for its existence is doomed to extinction.
  • A country or race which ceases to fight is equally doomed. The fighting capacity of a race depends on its purity. Hence the need for ridding it of foreign defilements.
  • The Jewish race, owing to its universality, is of necessity pacifist and internationalist. Pacifism is the deadliest sin; for it means the surrender of the race in the fight for existence.
  • The first duty of every country is therefore to nationalise the masses; intelligence in the case of the individual is not of first importance; will and determination are the prime qualities.
  • The individual who is born to command is more valuable than countless thousands of subordinate natures.
  • Only brute force can ensure the survival of the race; hence the necessity for military forms.
  • The race must fight; a race that rests must rust and perish. Had the German race been united in good time, it would have been already master of the globe.
  • The new Reich must gather within its fold all the scattered German elements in Europe.
  • A race which has suffered defeat can be rescued by restoring its self-confidence.
  • Above all things the Army must be taught to believe in its own invincibility.
  • To restore the German nation, the people must be convinced that the recovery of freedom by force of arms is possible.
  • The aristocratic principle is fundamentally sound. Intellectualism is undesirable.
  • The ultimate aim of education is to produce a German who can be converted with the minimum of training into a soldier.
  • The greatest upheavals in history would have been unthinkable had it not been for the driving force of fanatical and hysterical passions.
  • Nothing could have been effected by the bourgeois virtues of peace and order.
  • The world is now moving towards such an upheaval, and the new German State must see to it that the race is ready for the last and greatest decisions on this earth.
  • Foreign policy may be unscrupulous.
  • It is not the task of diplomacy to allow a nation to founder heroically, but rather to see that it can prosper and survive.
  • England and Italy are the only two possible allies for Germany. No country will enter into an alliance with a cowardly pacifist state run by democrats and Marxists.
  • So long as Germany does not fend for herself, nobody will fend for her.
  • Her lost provinces cannot be regained by solemn appeals to Heaven or by pious hopes in the League of Nations, but only by force of arms.
  • Germany must not repeat the mistake of fighting all her enemies at once.
  • She must single out the most dangerous and attack him with all her forces.
  • The world will only cease to be anti-German when Germany recovers equality of rights and resumes her place in the sun.
  • There must be no sentimentality about Germany’s foreign policy.
  • To attack France for purely sentimental reasons would be foolish.
  • What Germany needs is increase of territory in Europe.
  • Germany’s pre-war colonial policy was a mistake and should be abandoned.
  • Germany must look for expansion to Russia and especially to the Baltic States.
  • No alliance with Russia can be tolerated. To wage war together with Russia against the West would be criminal, for the aim of the Soviets is the triumph of international Judaism.
Such were the “granite pillars” of his policy
So now you are arguing you support Hitler by quoting him.
You're doing really well.

You posted that you base your interpretation of 'never again' on the philosophy of Meir Kahane, leader of a group Canada recognizes as terrorists. Your wiki article even notes that its popularization was by Kahane and JDL, also recognized as terrorists in the US.

Are you really arguing that 'never again' is a phrase popularized by terrorists?


Actually it means that Jews will make sure that they will not allow such a threat happen to their race again.


Others have appropriated it for their own causes. Do you think that the renowned Meir Kahane was concerned about other genocides. If so, then he was a true humanitarian and philanthropist. Personally, I think he was only referring to Jews.


Wiki:
"Never again" is a phrase or slogan which is associated with the lessons of the Holocaust and other genocides. The slogan was used by liberated prisoners at Buchenwald concentration camp to denounce fascism. It was popularized by Jewish Defense League founder Meir Kahane in his 1971 book, Never Again! A Program for Survival.

The exact meaning of the phrase is debated, including whether it should be used as a particularistic command to avert a
second Holocaust of Jews or whether it is a universalist injunction to prevent all forms of genocide.

The phrase is widely used by politicians and writers and it also appears on many
Holocaust memorials. It has also been appropriated as a political slogan for other causes, from commemoration of the 1976 Argentine coup, the promotion of gun control or abortion rights, and as an injunction to war on terror after the September 11 attacks.

There absolutely zero dispute or debate when it is in reference to the Holocaust. The debate materializes only when people try to apply it to other events. It's kind of like how "apartheid" has been misappropriated and redefined for the sole purpose of demonizing Israel


It's an amazing coincidence, that in both of those cases, the misappropriation of a term/phrase involves Israel and both in a negative way. It must be the occupation that makes definitions change before our very eyes.
 
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