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A lot of people in iPhone/Mac forums have tried to reproduce and reported back being unsuccessful. It's happening to a select few and its become a very loud echo chamber thanks to the media.

Apple being Apple, probably will step up and fixes it via updates or gives away free bumpers to anyone impacted.
yes here is Apple being Apple. they really love you, they really do lol
AppleCare memo emphasizes no free bumpers for iPhone 4 reception

"We ARE NOT appeasing customers with free bumpers -- DON'T promise a free bumper to customers," the memo reads.

and remember don't hold your phone in it's natural position ;)


and furthermore
Five Possible Bugs Facing the New iPhone 4
 

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Nokia takes sly dig at Apple over phone grip styles


Trust the world's largest phone maker to educate us on how to hold our phones the right way. The four methods highlighted include "thumb and finger," "the cup," "the balance," and, finally, "the four edge grip," which looks marginally ridiculous since hardly anyone holds their phones that way. I apologize if you're one of the people who does.
Of course, the only reason Nokia posted a "How do you hold your Nokia?" entry on its Conversations blog Monday is probably to take a sly dig at the recent iPhone 4 antenna issues resulting in signal degradation. If that's not it, we don't know what the reason is.
Nokia also threw in some numbers, stating that more than 1 billion Nokia devices are being used today, before pulling out its trump card saying that users are free to hold their device any way they like without suffering any signal loss. Snap! You win, Nokia.
source http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20009161-1.html

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Nokia takes sly dig at Apple over phone grip styles

Trust the world's largest phone maker to educate us on how to hold our phones the right way. The four methods highlighted include "thumb and finger," "the cup," "the balance," and, finally, "the four edge grip," which looks marginally ridiculous since hardly anyone holds their phones that way. I apologize if you're one of the people who does.
Of course, the only reason Nokia posted a "How do you hold your Nokia?" entry on its Conversations blog Monday is probably to take a sly dig at the recent iPhone 4 antenna issues resulting in signal degradation. If that's not it, we don't know what the reason is.
Nokia also threw in some numbers, stating that more than 1 billion Nokia devices are being used today, before pulling out its trump card saying that users are free to hold their device any way they like without suffering any signal loss. Snap! You win, Nokia.
source http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20009161-1.html

LOL
Better tell these guys.



http://photos.appleinsider.com/nokia.death.grip.001.jpg (this one is gold, Nokia's own instructions tell clients if they hold it wrong, they'll encounter signal loss.)

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Keep on trolling, AM. =)
lol djk you need to get a sense of humour. don't be such a fanboi! Nokia make fun of Apple boohoo
Maybe you can appreciate Motorola making fun of Apple more ;)

Motorola advert revels in anti-iPhone schadenfreude
Jobs & Co set for 'Death Grip' recall?

Motorola is taking advantage of the iPhone 4 'Death Grip' debacle by kicking Apple when it's down: the Droid maker ran a full-page ad in Wednesday's New York Times ridiculing the Jobsian handset's antenna problems.

In the advert, below a photo of its upcoming Droid X complete with the obligatory smiling lass, is a paragraph of advertising copy extolling the Android phone's features. One part of that exaltation is this sentence:

And most importantly, it comes with a double antenna design. The kind that allows you to hold the phone any way you like and use it just about anywhere to make crystal clear calls.

the ad: http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/06/30/droid_ad_large.jpg

Motorola is not alone in its ridicule of the iPhone 4. On Monday, Nokia hosted a mocking how-to on its company blog outlining four ways to hold their Finnish fones – a teasing tweaking that was a direct response to Apple's contention that the iPhone 4's reception problems are caused by users holding it wrong.

There's both humor and schadenfreude in Motorola and Nokia's tossing of their respective banana-cream pies into Cupertino's face after the iPhone's banana-peel slippage — to mix metaphors a wee bit.

However, there is a serious side to this tomfoolery. Apple has been riding high for quite some time, and its competitors and detractors have been waiting impatiently for Jobs & Co to make a major misstep. And that time may have arrived.

In a detailed review and antenna exegesis released today, the exceptionally intelligent folks at Anandtech said of the iPhone 4's reception problems:
The main downside to the iPhone 4 is the obvious lapse in Apple's engineering judgment. The fact that Apple didn't have the foresight to coat the stainless steel antenna band with even a fraction of an ounce worth of non-conductive material either tells us that Apple doesn't care or that it simply doesn't test thoroughly enough.

The Anandtech reviewers continue: "The best scenario is for Apple to coat the antenna and replace all existing phones with a revised model. The ideal situation is very costly for Apple but it is the right thing to do."

Motorola, Nokia, and other competitors may be witnessing the beginning of the Toyotafication of the iPhone 4: an embarrassing, costly recall.

To muck about with another metaphor, the jury is still out but the lawyers have begun to smell blood. As each day goes by, it becomes increasingly clear that Apple has a real problem on its hands — or, more to the point, in the hands of iPhone 4 owners.

How Apple responds to this problem will reveal a lot about the company and its mercurial leader.

Even Steve Jobs' powers of persuasion and coercion have their limits. As Anandtech reminds us: "There's nothing Apple nor anyone else can do to get around physics, plain and simple." ®

Source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/30/motorola_droid_x_ad_mock_apple/
other sources: http://news.google.com/news/story?q...sult&ct=more-results&resnum=2&ved=0CB0QqgIwAQ
 

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Installed my bumper yesterday..... I've not had a single call issue since installing it, but then I didn't have many, 2-3 in the last week, before I installed it.

I've taken some photos and posted them to Facebook - they look fantastic in full screen viewing. The display continues to amaze me, apparently I'm not alone: http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._iphone_4_retina_display_to_rival_phones.html

Another vast improvement I've noticed over my 3G is GPS accuracy - it's crazy good, down to what part of the house I'm in..... used a cheap app today to measure/map my bike ride, very detailed bread crumb mapping.... even to the point where I rode in a circa in a parking lot and it picked up that detail..... 10.3 miles at 15 mph... not cycleguy speed but a nice ride on a perfect OH day.

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iPhone feels the heat from Droid X factor

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_gadg/ytech_gadg_tc2996

While the world continues to line up for the latest iPhone — reception problems and all — Verizon's just-announced jumbo-screen Motorola Droid X has racked up a bevy of admiring reviews.

David Pogue at the New York Times calls the Droid X (slated to arrive July 15 for $199, with a two-year Verizon Wireless contract and after a mail-in rebate) a "big, beautiful contender" with an "almost-Imax screen" (4.3 inches diagonally, to be exact, or almost a inch bigger than the iPhone's 3.5-inch display). The phone performs like a "speed rocket," Pogue gushes, and benefits from Google's "open and customizable"
 

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iPhone feels the heat from Droid X factor

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_gadg/ytech_gadg_tc2996

While the world continues to line up for the latest iPhone — reception problems and all — Verizon's just-announced jumbo-screen Motorola Droid X has racked up a bevy of admiring reviews.

David Pogue at the New York Times calls the Droid X (slated to arrive July 15 for $199, with a two-year Verizon Wireless contract and after a mail-in rebate) a "big, beautiful contender" with an "almost-Imax screen" (4.3 inches diagonally, to be exact, or almost a inch bigger than the iPhone's 3.5-inch display). The phone performs like a "speed rocket," Pogue gushes, and benefits from Google's "open and customizable"
looks damn big: http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l%3D252185%26a%3D252195%26po%3D7,00.asp?p=n

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Interestingly, this is the first phone I know that combines 3G and CDMA. Bell and Telus will love it!
3G has been out on CDMA for awhile now. It's called EVDO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution-Data_Optimized

3G is a standard for a result - third generation cellular standards.. HSPA or EVDO both fall under this category. Just like WiMax or LTE will fall under 4G. Sprint is betting on WiMax with CDMA while most other HSPA based carriers are betting on LTE.

Another good example of this is high definition video. Before Toshiba lost to Sony, Blue Ray or HD DVD were both ways to achieve this. While each was different in format discs, DRM, licensing, etc. They both offered the end user the same thing - high def video and audio.
 

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A lot of people in iPhone/Mac forums have tried to reproduce and reported back being unsuccessful. It's happening to a select few and its become a very loud echo chamber thanks to the media.

Apple being Apple, probably will step up and fixes it via updates or gives away free bumpers to anyone impacted.
This is Apple being Apple.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html

They'll be providing an update for iPhone users. But if any iPhone user finds the whole experience unacceptable, they can walk away. As always, looking out for the customer.

As a reminder, if you are not fully satisfied, you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund.
How does Google treat their loyal customers?

http://gizmodo.com/5521919/nexus-one-3g-bugs-no-longer-of-interest-to-google
 

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Apple Inc. said Friday that it was "stunned" to find that its iPhones have for years been using a "totally wrong" formula to determine how many bars of signal strength they are getting.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-stunned-to-find-iPhones-apf-1175483258.html?x=0

Apple better start getting their shit together. Signal strength issue, AT&T sucking, antena problem, security breach and lost pre-orders. They are losing their luster.
 

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Apple Inc. said Friday that it was "stunned" to find that its iPhones have for years been using a "totally wrong" formula to determine how many bars of signal strength they are getting.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Apple-stunned-to-find-iPhones-apf-1175483258.html?x=0

Apple better start getting their shit together. Signal strength issue, AT&T sucking, antena problem, security breach and lost pre-orders. They are losing their luster.
you are so right!!
there has been another security breach!! over at good ole Apple iTunes and apps store

July 4, 2010 3:23 PM PDT
Reports: iTunes accounts, App Store hacked


Various blogs are reporting that it appears some iTunes customer accounts have been hacked and that funds from those accounts may have been used to purchase apps in the iTunes App Store.
Earlier Sunday, Engadget reported an inexplicable uptick in sales of book apps by a developer identified as Thuat Nguyen. According to the blog, at the time of writing its report, Nguyen apps accounted for 42 of the top 50 books by revenue in the Books section of the iTunes App Store. Engadget went on to mention "a number of people reporting up to hundreds of dollars being spent unwillingly from their [iTunes] account to these specific books."
Blog TNW Apple reported that the phenomenon appeared to extend beyond apps by one developer, and that it seemed to be international in scope. It also ran excerpts from several posts to the MacRumors: Forums Web site.
"Yesterday my credit union contacted me saying there was suspicious activity on my debit card." TNW Apple quoted one post as saying. "Sure enough over 10 transactions in the $40-$50 area all on iTunes equaling to $558."
A call made by CNET to Apple for comment was not returned by publication time.
Despite roaring sales for its new products, Apple has been getting a bit bruised lately. Among other things, the company's most-recent knock 'em dead gadget, the iPhone 4, has had reception problems; the company's response to the issue has been widely lampooned in the press; Apple faces a challenge from Google's Android operating system in the mobile arena; its policy regarding submissions to the iPhone App Store and its refusal to make the iPhone and iPad compatible with Adobe's widespread Flash software have been seen by some as a sign of control-freak tendencies; and the company's media policies have reportedly captured the notice of antitrust authorities.

source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20009658-37.html
 

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iPhone 4 Lawsuits Start Rolling

Show of hands, who didn't see this one coming? Anyone? Like you, your neighbor, the local convenience store owner, and even little Billy who's more interested in what SpongeBob is up to than the world of tech, we could see the class action lawsuit(s) coming, and they've now arrived.

The first one rolled out Maryland, and the list of complaints are numerous. They include:

General Negligence (Apple and AT&T)
Defect in Design, Manufacture, and Assembly (Apple)
Breach of Express Warranty (Apple)
Breach of Implied Warranty for Merchantability (Apple and AT&T)
Breach of Implied Warranty of Fitness for a Particular Purpose (Ajpple and AT&T)
Deceptive Trade Practices (Apple and AT&T)
Intentional Misrepresentation (Apple and AT&T)
Negligent Misrepresentation (Apple and AT&T)
Fraud by Concealment (Apple AT&T)

Lawsuits over the iPhone 4's well documented antenna problems have also come from Washington, Massachusetts, and probably a few other places. One of the suits says "the refusal of Apple and AT&T to both acknowledge and offer to fix users' phones is incredulous."

For those of you who may have been abducted by aliens and just now returned to Earth, Apple has been catching heat for what many are saying is a defect in the iPhone 4's design that causes the device to lose a signal when covering the antenna, most often when holding it with the left hand. Steve Jobs called it a "non issue" and suggested holding the device a different way.
source: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/iphone_4_lawsuits_start_rolling
 

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This is Apple being Apple.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html

They'll be providing an update for iPhone users. But if any iPhone user finds the whole experience unacceptable, they can walk away. As always, looking out for the customer.
lol whatever works for ya fanboi!!

Apple's iPhone 4 denial: insulting or ignorant?

Apple released a surreal missive on Friday morning that said the only thing wrong with the iPhone 4 is the way it calculates signal-strength bars. That letter is either an honest explanation or total bullshit — and it's high time that a competent, unbiased antenna-engineering team found out.

On the face of it, Apple's letter — which The Reg reported on earlier today — appears ludicrous in the extreme. Like an alcoholic in deep denial, Apple says that it's not their fault, it's the bars'.

There has been a firestorm of complaints about the iPhone 4's reception problems — hop on over to Cupertino's own discussion forums, for example, and check out recent pitchforks-and-torches outcries such as the real reason for bad reception PART 2! and Apple says iPhone 4 calculates bars wrong. And while you're there, dip into 3G data speed on iPhone 4 is painfully slow. But hurry — on Friday morning there was an active thread called Apple's Statement and Software Fix, but it has since been blocked.

While many posters note that their iPhone 4's reception is quite acceptable, thankyouverymuch, a good percentage say that reception quality has dropped noticeably below what they experienced with previous-generation iPhones.

Perhaps they didn't read Apple's letter, which points out that the signal-strength bar miscalculation "has been present since the original iPhone."

The Reg hesitates to point out three flaws in Apple's argument, simply because they're so obvious that we fear insulting your intelligence. But bear with us:

- iPhone 4 owners aren't complaining about the number and height of their signal-strength bars, they're complaining about poor reception.

-If the bar-height problem exisited in identical form in previous iPhones, why is Apple only now citing it as the reason behind the current hullabaloo?

-How does Apple explain the myriad reports — here's a particularly straightforward one — of reception problems caused by bridging the iPhone 4's two external antennas by touching the spot where they meet?


In a comprehensive and generally favorable review of the iPhone 4, Anandtech delves deeply into the iPhone 4 reception capabilities, with a particularly interesting investigation of its antennas. In sum, Anandtech's conclusion is that the iPhone 4's overall reception quality is superior to that of the iPhone 3GS, but that it is much more susceptible to signal attenuation when its 3G antenna's tuning is disturbed by being touched.

In other words, according to Anandtech's data, when the iPhone 4 is in an area of high signal strength, and when its antenna is not being detuned by coming in contact with what Anandtech refers to as "ugly bags of mostly water" — meaning humans — it will outperform earlier iPhones.

However, when signal strength is poor and the antennas are compromised, the resulting more-severe attenuation would cause the iPhone 4's reception to dip below that of the iPhone 3GS.

As Anandtech puts it in a discussion of touch-induced radio-frequency attenuation:

There's nothing Apple nor anyone else can do to get around physics, plain and simple. It's something which demonstrably affects every phone's cellular reception.
Add in an external antenna you're essentially forced to touch and bridge to another adjacent antenna while holding, and the signal attenuation is even worse. The fact of the matter is that either the most sensitive region of the antenna should have an insulative coating, or everyone should use a case. For a company that uses style heavily as a selling point, the latter isn't an option. And the former would require an unprecedented admission of fault on Apple's part.


If Anandtech's testing and arguments are correct, then Apple's "it's the bars" argument is, not to put too fine a point on it, insulting.

But there's one other possibility: that Apple actually believes that the iPhone 4's problems aren't problems at all, but merely a matter of bar-based hysteria that has somehow erupted only now, even though they claim that the unintended signal-bar deception has existed in the iPhone since its release in 2007.

Luckily, it should be relatively straightforward, as we stated earlier, for a competent, unbiased antenna-engineering team to discover the truth. After all, as AnandTech pointed out: "There's nothing Apple nor anyone else can do to get around physics."

The iPhone 4 is a physical thing, not an idea, not an opinion. Its UI can be argued over, but its physical properties are just that: physical, not stylistic. They can be tested, and their performance parameters can be plotted.

Anandtech has made an excellent start, but the definitive analysis of the iPhone 4 is yet to be completed. We await the evenhanded analysis of seasoned experts who are well-versed in the black arts of antenna design and testing.

Millions of dollars, a gathering legal storm, and the reputation of Apple, its executives, and its design and engineering teams hang in the balance.

As the tagline for the 1990s television phenomena The X-Files declared: "The truth is out there." If you, dear reader, have the expertise — and we know some of you do — go find it. Please. ®

source: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/02/apple_iphone_4_denial_letter/


getting jobbed again and loving it eh fanbois?
 
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