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Frankfooter

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I have repeatedly condemned terrorism from extremist Israeli settlers and have condemned extremists in Israeli leadership positions.
No, you condemn 1/100 settler attacks and never condemn the Israeli government.
Never.
Feel free to find the posts that deny these statements.

I'll just start with a repost here.
You have repeatedly defended Israel's targeting of civilians at the March of Return, including the use of snipers to intentionally cripple children with the use of exploding bullets.

Go ahead and prove me right and you the liar.
Unless you are now willing to call out these acts:


Only racist scum think self defence includes attacking civilians who were not engaged in acts of violence.
 

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No, you condemn 1/100 settler attacks and never condemn the Israeli government.
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Wow your claims are stupid attempts to justify your overt antisemitism.

I know you want me to condemn Israel for shooting back at gunmen while desperately trying to avoid calling it terrorism when Palestinian extremists choose to attack Jewish civilians.
 

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No, you are lying your face off.
I argue for equal rights, the end of apartheid and application of international law.
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So why is it you argue Jews simply being in the West Bank makes them legitimate targets and say Jews quietly visiting their holy site is an attack? Why do you keep claiming Jews are illegitimate colonizers (while happily living in a real colonial entity)?

Not to mention believing in equal rights is contradicted by your refusal to give Palestinians and Israelis the right to completely detest the farce you want them forced into.
 

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Wow your claims are stupid attempts to justify your overt antisemitism.

I know you want me to condemn Israel for shooting back at gunmen while desperately trying to avoid calling it terrorism when Palestinian extremists choose to attack Jewish civilians.
There were 144 settler attacks in one night after the Jerusalem attack.
You called out one.

Are you now calling settlers who attack Palestinians 'civilians'?
 

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So why is it you argue Jews simply being in the West Bank makes them legitimate targets and say Jews quietly visiting their holy site is an attack?
So much in that one sentence.

First, you claim that the Al Aqsa is now owned by Israel or its Jewish population.
Second, you claim armed settlers backed by the IDF are 'quietly visiting'.
Third, you ignore previous treaties and Israelis breaking those treaties.

That's the epitome of settler colonialism in one sentence, basketcase.
You just argued that Palestinians have no rights living in land recognized as their occupied homeland.

It all comes back to your arguments that Israel can keep whatever land they can steal by force. That settlements 'aren't the problem', that taking people's homes by force is ok if they are Palestinians.
Its about as blatantly racist and colonial as it comes here, basketcase.

Just like shack, who appears to have run away after being caught lying.
No wonder you think its racist to say 'free Palestine', you seem to think that Palestine is free only for 'settlers'.

The past is the past and it's been so long it is END OF STORY. No right of return or land claims for the Arabs.
There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.
 

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Just like shack, who appears to have run away after being caught lying.
Hardly. My debate with you was strictly about your posting history and using a timeline, I have irrefutably proved my point.

But you keep lying and changing the topic and looking for proof of things that you'd previously accepted.

If you want to prove me wrong, all you have to do is produce one post prior to my challenge, where you condemn a particular Pali act of violence as terror. Go ahead. I dare you.

Until you do, you lose and I'm done with you.
 

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Hardly. My debate with you was strictly about your posting history and using a timeline, I have irrefutably proved my point.

But you keep lying and changing the topic and looking for proof of things that you'd previously accepted.

If you want to prove me wrong, all you have to do is produce one post prior to my challenge, where you condemn a particular Pali act of violence as terror. Go ahead. I dare you.

Until you do, you lose and I'm done with you.
You have been proven to be lying about my posts.
You lied right here.

You make false accusations, I back mine up.
You are lying about my posts, you are an untrustworthy proven racist.

By the way, this is the correct way to post a gif:




Meanwhile, Israel shot 82 people today, killing 10.
 
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There were 144 settler attacks in one night after the Jerusalem attack.
You called out one.
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Are these 144 'attacks' things like Israel trying to arrest terror suspects?

It's amazing that you're even trying to challenge me on how often I condemn some Israelis or the Israeli government considering your lengthy history of making excuses for Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, etc. The only thing you've ever said critical of Palestinian leadership is when you complain that the PA is preventing Hamas from ruling.
 

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So much in that one sentence.

First, you claim that the Al Aqsa is now owned by Israel or its Jewish population.
Second, you claim armed settlers backed by the IDF are 'quietly visiting'.
Third, you ignore previous treaties and Israelis breaking those treaties.
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You love making up your own reality when your arguments have been exposed as farcical hatred.

Israel controls Jerusalem according to the peace treaty with Jordan. Israel has ceded religious management of Al Aqsa/Temple Mount to the Jordanian WAQF. The WAQF allows non-Muslims to visit at certain specified hours. This is just another case where you ignore what Arab Muslims say.

Amazing you claim it is supporting equal rights to say the Muslim caretakers aren't allowed to give Jews permission to walk around Judaism's holiest site on occasion and instead you push religious incitement. Another example is you believing there is "Palestinian land" but no such thing as "Jewish land". Just like you demand Palestinian self determination (while ignoring what they want) and rejecting self determination for Jews.

And just like your unwillingness to listen to or give agency to Arabs; Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty giving Israel control of the West Bank. That treaty says that a Palestinian state is to be negotiated based on that land. Sadly you keep supporting groups like Hamas who choose violence and reject the idea of pushing both sides to negotiate peace.
 

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You love making up your own reality when your arguments have been exposed as farcical hatred.

Israel controls Jerusalem according to the peace treaty with Jordan. Israel has ceded religious management of Al Aqsa/Temple Mount to the Jordanian WAQF. The WAQF allows non-Muslims to visit at certain specified hours. This is just another case where you ignore what Arab Muslims say.

Amazing you claim it is supporting equal rights to say the Muslim caretakers aren't allowed to give Jews permission to walk around Judaism's holiest site on occasion and instead you push religious incitement. Another example is you believing there is "Palestinian land" but no such thing as "Jewish land". Just like you demand Palestinian self determination (while ignoring what they want) and rejecting self determination for Jews.

And just like your unwillingness to listen to or give agency to Arabs; Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty giving Israel control of the West Bank. That treaty says that a Palestinian state is to be negotiated based on that land. Sadly you keep supporting groups like Hamas who choose violence and reject the idea of pushing both sides to negotiate peace.
This 'visit' was against the rules of the treaty, which is why it was reported as 'storming' the Al Aqsa and why it was called out internationally.
I support treaties, which means that both sides are supposed to abide.
One side doesn't get to declare unilaterally that they are making a 'peaceful visit' with the backing of the army whenever they like.

You claim to support the two state solution but also refuse to abide by any treaties, support constant land theft and colonization and apartheid rule.

 

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Of course you think it's wrong that Israel tried to arrest terror suspects and think it's a good thing that Palestinian gunmen shot at them. I'm sure you guys are salivating at the death toll as it feeds your hate campaign.
Unlike you, I don't think its a good thing when anyone gets shot.
Which is why I support BDS as the only way to end the violent apartheid rule you keep supporting.

Why do you defend this?
 

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This 'visit' was against the rules of the treaty, ...
Wow that's another stupid claim. Thanks for confirming your hatred doesn't care about reality and thanks for confirming your belief that you don't actually care about equal rights or what the Islamic WAQF says. Why do you think Jews should be banned from walking around outside at their holiest site?

Unlike you, I don't think its a good thing when anyone gets shot.
Except when they are Jews in the West Bank in which case you only comment on why they are there (another example of your 'equal rights'.

And no, I don't have a problem when police trying to arrest suspects (who bragged all over social media of their attacks) and shooting back when the terror suspects shoot at them.

p.s. I notice that instead of commenting on Lions Den posts celebrating their attacks on the arrest team or the pictures Al Jazeera posted with armed gunmen attacking them, you desperately try and demonize Israel by showing civilians running away. Being a civilian doesn't mean you can attack people with impunity.

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Wow that's another stupid claim. Thanks for confirming your hatred doesn't care about reality and thanks for confirming your belief that you don't actually care about equal rights or what the Islamic WAQF says. Why do you think Jews should be banned from walking around outside at their holiest site?


Except when they are Jews in the West Bank in which case you only comment on why they are there (another example of your 'equal rights'.

And no, I don't have a problem when police trying to arrest suspects (who bragged all over social media of their attacks) and shooting back when the terror suspects shoot at them.

p.s. I notice that instead of commenting on Lions Den posts celebrating their attacks on the arrest team or the pictures Al Jazeera posted with armed gunmen attacking them, you desperately try and demonize Israel by showing civilians running away. Being a civilian doesn't mean you can attack people with impunity.
Now you are openly against the two state solution, declaring that Jewish Israelis have rights to take what the want and go where they want in the land you used to say should be Palestine.
Today, after shooting 82 people, Israel also announced more illegal settlements, all a war crime.

You still argue that Palestinians living in what should be Palestine don't have the right to self defence against a foreign occupying army and that right only applies to settler colonialists stealing land from the native population.
Of course you don't have a problem with Israel shooting 82 Palestinians and killing 11.
You never have a problem with Israel killing Palestinians.

Israel should end the occupation or end apartheid.
They need to deescalate yet all you do is defend them when they kill Palestinians.

Why would you defend this kind of crap?

How are you any different than those Israelis handing out candies and dancing for joy?
 

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Now you are openly against the two state solution, declaring that Jewish Israelis have rights to take what the want and go where they want in the land you used to say should be Palestine.
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WTF are you yammering on about? Are you too upset at having your bullshit claims about supporting equal rights exposed that your ability to post sensibly broke? Even Al Jazeera shows that this was a violent gun battle, not a massacre of civilians like you are trying to use claims of to demonize Israel.

And I've been pretty clear that I oppose settlement construction and want a negotiated solution that both sides can agree on. You just hate the idea that I think terror groups like Lions Den killing civilians is a far more serious problem than building houses that can be turned over in a peace deal like Israel has already done repeatedly.
 

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WTF are you yammering on about? Are you too upset at having your bullshit claims about supporting equal rights exposed that your ability to post sensibly broke? Even Al Jazeera shows that this was a violent gun battle, not a massacre of civilians like you are trying to use claims of to demonize Israel.

And I've been pretty clear that I oppose settlement construction and want a negotiated solution that both sides can agree on. You just hate the idea that I think terror groups like Lions Den killing civilians is a far more serious problem than building houses that can be turned over in a peace deal like Israel has already done repeatedly.
82 Palestinians shot, 11 killed.
No Israeli injuries.

That's a slaughter, not a battle.

If you don't want the native population to resist your illegal occupation you should end the occupation or give them full human rights, including the vote.
Instead, this is what's happening.


So now you've got apartheid, international condemnation and a possible rebellion by the people Israel is occupying.
Whatcha gonna do now?

 

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82 Palestinians shot, 11 killed.
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A whole bunch of Palestinian gunmen shoot at Israeli arrest teams. Israel is fully within it's rights to shoot back.

There are two possibilities.
1) Israel tries to arrest terror suspects
2) Israel assassinates terror suspects

That's it. I know you prefer secret option C where Palestinians are allowed to attack Jews without consequences but that is just part of your psychopathic view on race relations.
 
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