Interesting: Aliens are monitoring our nuclear activities

GPIDEAL

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More their incomprehensible behavior!
I gotta apologize to you Fuji. I didn't mean that they were smarter than you. Gonna change my post that you quoted, but you answered it smartly, heh, heh.
 

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And you won't ever!
Did you forget about that 'Prime Non-Interference Directive' followed by Star Trek and other superior aliens in the universe. Aliens are under strict orders NOT to change or interfere with the evolutionary development of beings they come across who are inferior to them such as us Earthlings. All they are allowed to do is discreetly watch and study Earthlings as we would study monkeys in the jungle or in a Zoo......
Ya, kinda like us preserving parks, endangered species, the Galapagos Islands, etc.
 

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And you won't ever!
Did you forget about that 'Prime Non-Interference Directive' followed by Star Trek and other superior aliens in the universe. Aliens are under strict orders NOT to change or interfere with the evolutionary development of beings they come across who are inferior to them such as us Earthlings. All they are allowed to do is discreetly watch and study Earthlings as we would study monkeys in the jungle or in a Zoo......
lol dont turn this into a Trekkie forum...you'll destroy the integrtty of the arguement.

But I can see that actually being the case for some beings. Always best to just observe before you reveal anything
 

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lol dont turn this into a Trekkie forum...you'll destroy the integrtty of the arguement.

But I can see that actually being the case for some beings. Always best to just observe before you reveal anything
That's 'logical' Major.
 

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I worry about ET's that would consider us a food source to be harvested.
You'd think that if they are that far advanced that they would need to still eat meat? Surely they would learn how to produce an endless supply of food for themselves.
 

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You'd think that if they are that far advanced that they would need to still eat meat? Surely they would learn how to produce an endless supply of food for themselves.

Could be we are just now ready for harvest
 

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I worry about ET's that would consider us a food source to be harvested.
You mean you worry that a clearly advanced race of beings would treat a lower form of life like we treat our lower forms of life.
 

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I worry about ET's that would consider us a food source to be harvested.
I think that the only way that we humans can get over our silly issues and wars with one another is if there is a very clear and real threat to the entire human species...The threat would have to be so big that we'd have no choice but to squash our own petty issues and work together for survival and advancement of the human species...something like aliens trying to harvest us for food
 

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I have no doubt that there is life on other planets. I would even speculate that it’s more common than we realize.

However, the distance between stars in incomprehensibly far. From our understanding of science, interstellar space travel is impossible.

So, if aliens were capable of interstellar space travel, then they would possess technology that’s completely beyond us. To them, we would be like Neanderthals. I doubt that we would be all that interesting. I seriously doubt they would come all that great distance just to study us. It’s even more doubtful that they would go to do stupid shit like put circles in our crops.
 

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I think that the only way that we humans can get over our silly issues and wars with one another is if there is a very clear and real threat to the entire human species...The threat would have to be so big that we'd have no choice but to squash our own petty issues and work together for survival and advancement of the human species...something like aliens trying to harvest us for food

That thesis has been around for years.

The MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH for centuries
Only now we see the people who show no threat or have an alliance with people who show threat will survive the next world war.
 

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Two things wrong with the idea of aliens buzzing around Earth:
  • The problem of distance. Let's just say that these aliens are coming from a planet around the nearest star to our solar system, Proxima Centauri, about four light-years away. The amount of time and energy required to go from there to here and back again is truly staggering. The numbers are so big they become irrational.

  • The problem of secrecy. It is extraordinarily peculiar that these alien craft would care one way or another whether us humans see them or not. If they're trying to hide themselves, they're doing a piss-poor job of it, since there are credible sightings almost daily. And if they're not trying to hid themselves, then they're doing a piss-poor job of that as well. Either way, it just doesn't make sense.
There actually is some convincing evidence. Intelligent, trained observers like pilots, police and security personnel continue to report these sorts of anomalies. They can't all be written off as swamp gas or helicopters or whatever.

I've never seen anything that couldn't otherwise be explained, but I do know people personally who have had such experiences, and they don't suffer from delusions or are ones to bullshit. And they've got no reason whatsoever to make up shit.

The whole concept is so riddled with peculiarities it's hard to know what to believe.
 

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But the problem with your two points is this....

Two things wrong with the idea of aliens buzzing around Earth:
  • The problem of distance. Let's just say that these aliens are coming from a planet around the nearest star to our solar system, Proxima Centauri, about four light-years away. The amount of time and energy required to go from there to here and back again is truly staggering. The numbers are so big they become irrational.


  • You are rationalizing this point according to what we as humans know and understand at this point in time which apparently really isnt that much. We dont even really know our selves or our own planet let alone our own solar system. Theres so much about science that we still have yet to learn; we havent even figured out cancer which really is simply a mutation of cells. Perhaps there are other beings out there that know and understand way way more than us; as you said we may be like neanderthals to them. 300 years ago the concept of flying was "godly"...now we fly with ease. We havent even known nuclear power for 100 years yet but 200 years ago the concept would be way out in the ether....nuclear power could be like a wood burning stove to other beings.

    Maybe for them getting to earth is like a drive to Niagara Falls for us...who knows

    [*]The problem of secrecy. It is extraordinarily peculiar that these alien craft would care one way or another whether us humans see them or not. If they're trying to hide themselves, they're doing a piss-poor job of it, since there are credible sightings almost daily. And if they're not trying to hid themselves, then they're doing a piss-poor job of that as well. Either way, it just doesn't make sense.
    Maybe they think differntly fro us...maybe its all part of some plan that is working beautifully...or maybe they are screwing up in their approach. Just because they may be above us doesnt mean they are free of error.... we are above snakes but we still screw up and get bit from time to time right?
 

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Major Major, you make good points and my arguments aren't bullet-proof. It just seems so odd though. I mean, if we were going to make ourselves known to an alien race on a distant planet, this is not likely how we'd do it - skulking around in the middle of the night, etc.
 

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I mean, if we were going to make ourselves known to an alien race on a distant planet, this is not likely how we'd do it - skulking around in the middle of the night, etc.
But cap'm... we cant comment on how we would approach another alien race because we havent been there yet....I'll bet dollars to donuts we'll probably screw it up the first few times (if we survive that long) because its so foriegn to us.... new processes always have growing pains
 

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Civilization has a hard enough time interpreting/accepting religions, sciences and philosophies -- imagine if Aliens were confirmed by our governments. Talk about chaos!

Hopefully, I'll see that day before I die.
 

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Civilization has a hard enough time interpreting/accepting religions, sciences and philosophies -- imagine if Aliens were confirmed by our governments. Talk about chaos!

Hopefully, I'll see that day before I die.
Chaos? Not so sure - half the population would think it was the second coming of whoever, and the other half would be busy working out conspiracy theories. Not much different than now...
 

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Civilization has a hard enough time interpreting/accepting religions, sciences and philosophies -- imagine if Aliens were confirmed by our governments. Talk about chaos!

Hopefully, I'll see that day before I die.
I don't think there'll be chaos at all. It's one thing to believe in some sort of religion and have that belief wholly based on faith (ie: no concrete evidence). It's another thing entirely to experience something that's physically real. Those who believe in some religion will simply fold the knowledge of extraterrestrials into their own faith system. See http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc814.htm and http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0407/shatter.html.

Remember the story of the War of the Worlds broadcast in Oct 1938? Some point to the reaction of the broadcast as evidence of what might happen to humanity if the existence of extraterrestrials was confirmed. But the broadcast wasn't about the existence of extraterrestrial life, it was about that extraterrestrial life laying waste to the earth.

Personally, like 5hummer, I hope to live to see the day when it's confirmed that we're not alone.
 
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