Intelligent conversation challenge...

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On that topic, I watched a series of videos from a science perspective on why we haven't been contacted or found any intelligent alien life. Along the lines of the Fermi paradox and the Great Filter, some speculate that life and intelligent species encounter a number of filters or existential threats and they haven't have survived long enough to communicate with us.

I think that the competition that our species evolved with means we tend to be more focused on our own events and less on the threats that we can't conceptualise. That and fear prevents people from accepting sources that contradict their views, no matter how scientific or substantiated it is.

Yes this is very true for the average person. Eventually the earths resources will get depleted due to overpopulation, and destroyed due to pollution if a change is not made before a certain point of no return. This covid virus is just a glimpse of how bad it can get and how much it affects life and the ones we love. The world is not like we know it anymore and all it took was a little virus and a few months. Look at all the indirect fall out to economy, mental states, broken lives, depression, lost and neglected loved one, etc...

While people are now conditioned for their own self interest and reacting against direct perceived fears and threats, eventually as a society and collective they will realize it is not sustainable. Hopefully they learn something from this experience as a collective and realign some priorities. In present reality I don’t expect the majority of attitudes to change and life will try to return to normal as soon as possible.

There are events and/or people that accelerate this change and push people towards a paradigm shift like what Elon Musk is trying to accomplish. Elon is establishing an infrastructure of electric self driving cars especially robo taxis that will become ubiquitous due to cost effectiveness and efficiency, the starlink for global internet communication and solar power and battery storage. If he accomplishes this such as makes ICE vehicles obsolete, provides global internet coverage and enables first settlement and/base on moon and Mars will be remembered in history for as long as our civilization exists not because he was the first to accomplish this but because he realized this point of no return and did his part to protect consciousness and provide infrastructure to assist to make earth a sustainable place. Maybe his technology does something good for the environment and spawns other innovations that can help improve our life like the neuralink and AI. We as a society will have no choice but to use his technology because it will be cheap, effective and efficient, and it will be everywhere.

Regarding intelligent life I think it doesn’t really matter if it exists or doesn’t. Nothing changes on earth knowing this other then it will help evolve people faster up the spiral dynamics. However, given the age of the earth, the universe, and how many galaxies, stars, and planets are out there it’s highly unlikely that there no other higher intelligent and more evolved life forms out there somewhere and I am including a form of AI intelligent conscious life into this mix. We could be a version of this AI just evolving into its ultimate and could potentially accelerate this when we enable and achieve AI singularity. If they exist does it really matter if they seeded earth with microbes or whatever genetic information it is needed for life to form and evolve to its ultimate. If they are that intelligent to travel that far and fast then they will probably not want to interfere in our evolution until we are ready and evolved enough to communicate with them to avoid the negative influence.

Maybe these major events such as covid are already coded in our genetic code and is just one small increment of a huge sequence to help accelerate our evolution to its ultimate collective consciousness eventually.

 

[shack]

Hate to break it to you, but Einstein did not say this. It is a Buffy-ism. That's right, Buffy the Vampire Slayer said it during an episode on her show, and then it gained wide spread usage in ordinary language - probably because it makes perfect sense.

Pretty sure that that saying has been around longer than Buffy.

However, I do have a big issue with that saying. It is by no means anywhere close to what any definition of insanity would be. I highly doubt that any reputable psychiatric, psychological or medical journal/organization would have that as a definition, let alone the definition.

It is however a very good example of what an insane person would think/do, as in, it is insane to think that doing the same thing... It is like saying the definition of "fat" is eating too much. A trait can be associated with a particular action/condition but that does not make it a definition.

It's a pet peeve of mine whenever I hear it. It drives me insane.

 

[lessjamie7]

I find it strange that the world is now consumed with the notion that life is priceless.
How come it wasn’t priceless prior to COVID 19?
I guess when 80 year old, rich white men can die, this shit gets serious.

Dear Mr. out4fun.

The baited comment committee has discussed your statement and unanimously agreed it's rating to be a solid 3.8.

Though not worthy of a reply ( a minimum of 6.4 is required ) a good effort just the same.

Good day sir.

 

[out4fun]

Dear Mr. out4fun.

The baited comment committee has discussed your statement and unanimously agreed it's rating to be a solid 3.8.

Though not worthy of a reply ( a minimum of 6.4 is required ) a good effort just the same.

Good day sir.

Is this not a reply?

 

[Insidious Von]

I would love to hear your logic about that 'debunking'.

Basketcase, it's too late in the day for me to formulate a rational response, I'm going to have to sleep on it. In the meantime here's a conversation between Richard Dawkins and My Love.

 

[icespot]

What we are living is a wake up call for our humanity. We need to change and stop over consuming. If we ignore this warnings humanity will end. Natures job is to ensure life finds a way and if we get in her way, life will take us down.

Even the Bible gives us a clear warning in the story of Noah. If we don't respect the world there will be a flood.

However, I have faith in us and I am certain we will make the proper choices to make life better. We always improve and learn from past mistakes.

Also, wish people would stop blaming white men for all evils. Look white men don't rule every country, but presently the countries that have been ruled by white men are much better to live in than the countries ruled by men from other races.

I am a minority and the white men that made our laws made sure I have the same rights and opportunities as them. Yes they have assholes, but lucky for us they are a minority and probably equal to the assholes from other races.

So it's time to sacrifice a little, make changes and time to work together. If we do our future will be good, if we don't nature is responsible to all life and it will make sure that life finds a way.

 

[Insidious Von]

What we are living is a wake up call for our humanity. We need to change and stop over consuming. If we ignore this warnings humanity will end. Natures job is to ensure life finds a way and if we get in her way, life will take us down. Even the Bible gives us a clear warning in the story of Noah. If we don't respect the world there will be a flood

Icespot is on to something, The Book of the prophet Joel also applies. The economy as we know it is dead, humanity needs to adapt or get culled by the forces of nature. According to Joel, the Messiah will take the form of a man twice. The first time as The lamb of God sent to forgive humanity's sins, the second time as the Avenging Angel of a capricious God.

I admit to never having read The Origin Of The Species, but I have read Carl Sagan's The Dragons of Eden, Kurt Vonnegut's Galapagos and Anthony Burgess's (A Clockwork Orange) The End of the World news. From these books I understood that Darwin got the science right but he didn't understand human nature and didn't take freedom of choice into account. Maybe like Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto, evil men used Darwin for their own evil strategies. It's been suggested that Darwin, like Marx, is responsible for the darkest actions of evil men: Hitler's Holocaust, Stalin's Great Purge, Mao's Great Leap Forward and Mao taken to extremes in Pol Pot's Agrarian Revolution. I will have to read Darwin for myself, which may be a challenge given my advanced age. I read Nietzsche's Also Sparch Zarathustra (primarily due to Richard Strauss's tone poem) it left me confused. I haven't commented on it - I can't live up to Otto (Kevin Kline) in A Fish Called Wanda.

 

[Insidious Von]

A Clockwork Orange had a profound effect on your humble narrator, I had to read the book. Stanley Kubrick took an entirely different approach to the novel than he did with Stephen King's The Shining. The Shining was his vision, with A Clockwork Orange he followed the source material - except that he ended the film with the finale of Beethoven's 9th Symphony. He left out the last chapter in which the newly freed Alex Delarge goes out into society. He comes to the harsh realization that he is no longer the carefree anarchist, he's become irrelevant, his only option is to settle down and start a family.

 

[mellowjello]

Is this not a reply?

Not really, more like a shot, and well deserved.

 

[Insidious Von]

Kubrick was perceptive enough not to include the First Movement of Beethoven's 9th in A Clockwork Orange, he couldn't do justice to it - it would have been an abomination. When Beethoven was writing it, he viewed it as kicking down the door of musical convention. Unfortunately his viewpoint was perverted by Adolf Hitler when he said of the USSR, "we have only to kick down the door and the whole rotten structure will fall to the ground". Mingia was he wrong!

 

[escortsxxx]

I don't want to make this virus out to be less than what it is as I have asthma and may not survive it but I think alot of people are making it out to be more than what it is. Let's face it, half of the pop is basically immune to it. Final death rate for the rest is unknown but will probably land somewhere between 3 and 8 percent . Also keeping in mind that nowhere near 1% has even got it yet, I do realize that more people are still to get it. My point is that the numbers just aren't there and I'm sure we will have a vaccine before they do get meaningful. The havoc on ourveconomy may cause more human pain than the virus does, we will see. People compare this to a war which is ridiculous. We are a pampered generation (boomers) that is lucky we never had to live through a war. We just have to be careful, take care of ourselves, live life day to day, enjoy the little things that come our way. This will eventually pass and life will go on.

Lets be clear - the past hospital full death rate is 17% - currently our hospitals are running out of room when ALMOST no one is infected. We are losing healthy medical staff to the virus under PERFECT conditions and you want to raise the rate of infected by a factor of 100 ? Death rates, which are at 1% will jump to by 5 first, as ventilators go - then as the next life saving steps that stop people form progressing to that stage go - we will see another jump of times 3. So in perspective we have about 15 k dead now and 1k dead per day form now on if we did nothing to start. Yes your being lied doubt only 2 weeks be over my March bs and you dint need a mask and its not that dangerous and you cant catch it from someone who does not show symptoms crap etc.

THE GOVERNMENT< like DUCK AND COVER - is lying to keep people calm. You seen the lies -they been under reporting not OVER reporting. I mean, I though this was obvious? Fox news says its nothing yet, washes and cleans everything since January. It SOP for the gov in a crisis "There nothing to fear - remain calm - panic is worse however. Just be adult and realize your getting Disney bed time stories.

 

[lessjamie7]

What we are living is a wake up call for our humanity. We need to change and stop over consuming. If we ignore this warnings humanity will end. Natures job is to ensure life finds a way and if we get in her way, life will take us down.

Even the Bible gives us a clear warning in the story of Noah. If we don't respect the world there will be a flood.

However, I have faith in us and I am certain we will make the proper choices to make life better. We always improve and learn from past mistakes.

Also, wish people would stop blaming white men for all evils. Look white men don't rule every country, but presently the countries that have been ruled by white men are much better to live in than the countries ruled by men from other races.

I am a minority and the white men that made our laws made sure I have the same rights and opportunities as them. Yes they have assholes, but lucky for us they are a minority and probably equal to the assholes from other races.

So it's time to sacrifice a little, make changes and time to work together. If we do our future will be good, if we don't nature is responsible to all life and it will make sure that life finds a way.

I am a minority and the white men that made our laws made sure I have the same rights and opportunities as them. Yes they have assholes, but lucky for us they are a minority and probably equal to the assholes from other races.

Wow a glimpse of optimisim in an otherwise right or left world , great comment Icespot.

LJ