Intelligent conversation challenge...

WyattEarp

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Sure, most people hide their age.
I look at it that everyone was young once, that is not a badge of honour.
Getting old is a an achievement on its own that not everybody will achieve.
I am 69.
May I ask how is your sex life?

I am friends with a few 70something men. It seems some are very interested in sex while others could care less.
 

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So my question is this:
Can we put aside all our customary/habitual bullshit and have an intelligent, deep conversation about what is happening?

I know there are a lot of intelligent men and women here. Yes, sometimes we don't show it or forget it because some of us put a lot of time and energy into bickering over trivia and nonsense.

But this pandemic is serious. This virus is a wicked motherfucker! It is not even a life form! And it could obliterate society as we know it.

We are all passengers on Spaceship Earth. Many of us are the pilots and navigators, too. And we are in deep shit that shows no inclination to go away any time soon. And we are fumbling all over the place. We are struggling.

How do we get out of it? The question could be, how do we survive?

It seems to me the first step is to put aside the bickering so that we can together understand how we got into it. It will take a collective effort... not pointing fingers!

For me, I have always found that the most useful way of finding a way out of a jam was to first understand how I got into it.

Most of all, what we are doing seems to fall into Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results.

This is an invitation to an intelligent, courteous dialogue... :yo:

Perry
Good Luck.
 

Fradi

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May I ask how is your sex life?

I am friends with a few 70something men. It seems some are very interested in sex while others could care less.
It was non existent for 5 years after my wife passed away she basically meant everything in the world to me. Then I decided to see this amazing young lady who I have been seeing ever since plus some others. This works for now I am not interested in dating.

Up until this virus hit it was great. Not like when I was in my 20-30 obviously but all those years of being a jock is still paying off.
Btw I am a Montrealer I rarely post here, I was banned there recently for of all things shilling, wtf especially since nobody is working, go figure.
Ridiculous, but anyway some times you get on the wrong side of someone I guess, you really think at my age I would or need to do that.
Luckily I can see who ever I want to see and have my own connections through the SP.
For now it is safety first, I guess if I could go without for 5 years it won’t be so difficult to last out this virus.
 

WyattEarp

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Btw I am a Montrealer I rarely post here, I was banned there recently for of all things shilling, wtf especially since nobody is working, go figure.
Ridiculous, but anyway some times you get on the wrong side of someone I guess, you really think at my age I would or need to do that.
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Oh, if you're a Montrealer that answers my question. You've been getting laid a lot since you were a teenager. They'll have to push down your erection when they close the casket. Lol.

I have also been banned from the local MTL board. In my case, I enjoyed joking about the mods censoring comments and threads. This in The Lounge of all places. Needless to say, a mod who takes his job too seriously isn't going to find a joke about their censorship too funny.
 

Fradi

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Yes we are extremely lucky in Montreal, there are plenty of amazingly gorgeous young women to choose from.
I have been very lucky in finding some that are just fabulous to spend time with.
 

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Most of all, what we are doing seems to fall into Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results.
perhaps the atomic energy could be the death of us all. our destructive nature is only as good as our inability to do good and our ability to good is only as good as our ability to grasp the knowledge to do good

 

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Maybe we should listen to people like Elon Musk who is trying to change the world and protect consciousness by being the first person to make us multi planetary species. ...
On that topic, I watched a series of videos from a science perspective on why we haven't been contacted or found any intelligent alien life. Along the lines of the Fermi paradox and the Great Filter, some speculate that life and intelligent species encounter a number of filters or existential threats and they haven't have survived long enough to communicate with us.

I think that the competition that our species evolved with means we tend to be more focused on our own events and less on the threats that we can't conceptualise. That and fear prevents people from accepting sources that contradict their views, no matter how scientific or substantiated it is.
 

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Most of all, what we are doing seems to fall into Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results.
Hate to break it to you, but Einstein did not say this. It is a Buffy-ism. That's right, Buffy the Vampire Slayer said it during an episode on her show, and then it gained wide spread usage in ordinary language - probably because it makes perfect sense.
 

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I believe we have become accustomed to a certain standard or expectation of how our lives should be. this is evident in first world countries. however, nature feels differently.

while I feel most people want to live happy lives that are fulfilling and bountiful, life isnt that way. expecting it to be is naive and rather short sighted. first world countries have become comfortable with all its wonderful technology, access to resources and improved living standards. nature will always find a way to cull the weak despite how hard we try to out smart it.

nature is doing its job, and unfortunately nature doesnt give a shit about any living creature.

Ive always been a fan of Darwinism. survival of the fittest. evolution has shaped humanity and pretty much all life on this planet. constantly improving from one generation to the next and those that could not compete became obsolete. as a society and being human we have compassion which has been a down fall in some ways. we care for the poor, the sick, the addicts, and anyone who cannot be responsible for themselves. we are taxed for programs that most successful people do not use. we no longer as individuals bear the weight of our choices and those choices are loaded onto the government and society.

when I look at the covid I see nature trying to do its job and people interfering with that. most healthy people will experience little to some symptoms of the virus and apparently go on with life little for wear. I am not a doctor so I am not 100% sure on this. I have been watching the news and the number of people dying isnt that great. perhaps 3% of the population. those 3% are the elderly and medically fragile people.

people are meant to die. we spend millions/billions trying to keep alive people who have abnormal medical issues. I think we should stop wasting resources on not only covid people but many other people. sometime you need to cut the dead weight....

This is not love of Darwinism Darwinsm has WINNERS -that is you use whatever you ahve to win. This is some kind of Nihilism darwinistic offshoot a cult of kali - where parasites are seen as the greatest form of life.
 

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This thread is a microcosm of social media. I'm not sure if this was the direction the original poster had in mind. Anyway, I find many people on various social media are projecting their own feelings and thoughts about the world we live in. In a way, it is really amplifying people's original views about our world. However, these thoughts go in so many directions.

I am more sanguine about where the world heads from here. I am also a realist. I don't think when this subsides everyone suddenly changes their lifestyles, their daily concerns and their desires. While the virus is a major global challenge, I think people especially many of us in the first world do not know real challenges. Many of our grandparents (and some of your parents) lived through and survived a lot worse.
Yes/no - Western problems are a think - walked up hill back to school 8 miles both ways . ..
but these new threats of globalism are a different class - while this virus pales to a bio weapon which would be 1000 times worse -99% kill rate+ high spreed, long drown out death for maximum doctor kills - it is the fact we dont know when and if this will occur -this virus is worse than the Flu of 2018 in theory its only oure tech allows it to be less and more at the same time. Errors matter more than when it took 30 days by ship to get somewhere
 

WyattEarp

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it is the fact we dont know when and if this will occur -this virus is worse than the Flu of 2018 in theory its only oure tech allows it to be less and more at the same time.
I keep hearing comparisons to the Spanish Flu from various sources. I find a virus that killed children and oddly young adults far more terrifying.

The Spanish Flu probably had taken down many, many 80 year olds that it came in contact with. There just wasn't a lot of octogenarians in 1918.

Per archives.gov: In one year, the average life expectancy in the United States dropped by 12 years.

Yes of course, modern medicine has given many a chance with this new viral outbreak.
 

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I don't want to make this virus out to be less than what it is as I have asthma and may not survive it but I think alot of people are making it out to be more than what it is. Let's face it, half of the pop is basically immune to it. Final death rate for the rest is unknown but will probably land somewhere between 3 and 8 percent . Also keeping in mind that nowhere near 1% has even got it yet, I do realize that more people are still to get it. My point is that the numbers just aren't there and I'm sure we will have a vaccine before they do get meaningful. The havoc on ourveconomy may cause more human pain than the virus does, we will see. People compare this to a war which is ridiculous. We are a pampered generation (boomers) that is lucky we never had to live through a war. We just have to be careful, take care of ourselves, live life day to day, enjoy the little things that come our way. This will eventually pass and life will go on.
 

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I don't want to make this virus out to be less than what it is as I have asthma and may not survive it but I think alot of people are making it out to be more than what it is. Let's face it, half of the pop is basically immune to it. Final death rate for the rest is unknown but will probably land somewhere between 3 and 8 percent . Also keeping in mind that nowhere near 1% has even got it yet, I do realize that more people are still to get it. My point is that the numbers just aren't there and I'm sure we will have a vaccine before they do get meaningful. The havoc on ourveconomy may cause more human pain than the virus does, we will see. People compare this to a war which is ridiculous. We are a pampered generation (boomers) that is lucky we never had to live through a war. We just have to be careful, take care of ourselves, live life day to day, enjoy the little things that come our way. This will eventually pass and life will go on.
I think that we will find that the mortality rate will be far less than the 3-8 percent you suggest. We won't know for sure until the antibody tests are rolled out. I've hear figures as low as 0.4% mortality rate which would make this about twice as lethal as the common seasonal flu.
 

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I think that we will find that the mortality rate will be far less than the 3-8 percent you suggest. We won't know for sure until the antibody tests are rolled out. I've hear figures as low as 0.4% mortality rate which would make this about twice as lethal as the common seasonal flu.
I think you are right especially if you factor in the asymptomatic people. Imagine how low the death rate will be compared to world population. It will be statistically insignificant.
 

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Coronavirus: German study shows COVID-19 might not be fatal as previously thought

Basically they are saying that the infection rate is way higher (15%) but largely undiscovered due to inadequate testing, thus the fatality rate is way lower than indicated by insufficient testing (0.37%).

 

Malibuk

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Final death rate for the rest is unknown but will probably land somewhere between 3 and 8 percent . Also keeping in mind that nowhere near 1% has even got it yet
The final fatality rate will be way less than 3 - 8%, and it is quite possible that way more than 1% have been infected already.

The fatality rate is the number of deaths over the total number of infected.
The total number of infected is not known.
There are many people who had no symptoms, many who had mild symptoms, and many who simply recovered without ever being tested/counted.
There has been so little testing that using the number on known cases in the equation is ludicrous.
Plus the very small percentage of people who have been tested are the ones who are most likely to be infected.

I don`t think we will ever know the real fatality rate unless everybody does the anti-body test when this is all said and done, and this is highly unlikely to happen.
Or at least do a comprehensive random test of a high percentage of people in a significant size area and extrapolate a reasonable figure from that.
 

WyattEarp

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Coronavirus: German study shows COVID-19 might not be fatal as previously thought

Basically they are saying that the infection rate is way higher (15%) but largely undiscovered due to inadequate testing, thus the fatality rate is way lower than indicated by insufficient testing (0.37).
That's certainly better than earlier estimates. If no actions to mitigate were taken, 0.37% still would result in a lot of fatalities. 1.9 million in the EU. 1.2 million in the U.S. 139,000 in Canada. Of course, we are taking actions to mitigate. The question is what should we be doing now and in the near-term.
 

Malibuk

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That's certainly better than earlier estimates. If no actions to mitigate were taken, 0.37% still would result in a lot of fatalities. 1.9 million in the EU. 1.2 million in the U.S. 139,000 in Canada. Of course, we are taking actions to mitigate. The question is what should we be doing now and in the near-term.
I think we are doing the best we can but the big question is when do we risk opening up the economy?

If the fatality rate really was 10 - 20 times higher than 0.37%, we would have to wait way longer along the curve to risk it.
In which case, the cure could end up being way worse than the virus.

So this study could be very good news for those who will soon be opening up there economies, hopefully without overwhelming their health systems.
 
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