In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

[basketcase]

Every single settlement is a war crime.
A war crime you support.
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Wow that's pretty bullshit.
1) I've been quite clear about my opposition to settlements outside of land swaps agreed to in a peace deal.

2) I guess this means you admit that the UN and all your rights groups think that being a Jew in 'Palestinian land' doesn't make one a valid military target like you've been claiming.

 

[basketcase]

This is what you mean by 'random Jews', isn't it?
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Your posts are dumb.

These are examples of what I'm talking about from this month.

Palestinian to be charged for stabbing woman in Netanya; coat saved her from harm

Alleged terror attack in coastal city occurred on March 12; suspect from West Bank did not have an entry permit into Israel

www.timesofisrael.com

Hamas gunman wounds three in Tel Aviv attack

A Palestinian gunman opened fire in Tel Aviv on Thursday, wounding three people before being killed by police in what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu labelled a "terror attack" amid rising unrest in the West Bank.

www.reuters.com

Gunman captured after attack on Israeli couple in West Bank town

A Palestinian gunman opened fire on Sunday on an Israeli couple in their car, wounding the man, in a West Bank town where a similar shooting last month prompted Israeli settlers to go on a violent rampage.

www.reuters.com

Two Israeli settlers killed in West Bank shooting, days after Israeli raid kills 11 Palestinians

Two Israeli settlers were shot and killed in the West Bank on Sunday, local settler leader Yossi Dagan said, calling it "an extremely serious terrorist attack." The shooting sparked revenge attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinians, causing at least one death and numerous injuries.

www.cnn.com

The pathetic thing about your rabid hatred is you read my posts condemning violent settlers but pretend I support them simply because I also condemn violent Palestinians.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yet you've posted directly from BDS about how they don't support any peace plan. But sure, speak for the Palestinians despite 88% of them rejecting the idea of equal rights you want them forced into.

They post a peace plan you won't accept, that's different.
You can never accept an Israel that gave Palestinians the same rights as Jews.
That's why can't accept it as a peace plan.

 

[Frankfooter]

Wow that's pretty bullshit.
1) I've been quite clear about my opposition to settlements outside of land swaps agreed to in a peace deal.

2) I guess this means you admit that the UN and all your rights groups think that being a Jew in 'Palestinian land' doesn't make one a valid military target like you've been claiming.

1) You're backing war crimes. You don't get to 'swap' land you stole. Not if you claim to support the two state solution.
2) The UN says settlers are actins as militants with the backing of the IDF. You tell us how you can tell which 'settlers' are unarmed civilians and which ones are militants.

The pathetic thing about your rabid hatred is you read my posts condemning violent settlers but pretend I support them simply because I also condemn violent Palestinians.

You pretend you are balanced but you will post endlessly about Hamas and once a month say you are against settler violence.
There are 89 pages in this thread and I'd guess there are less than 10 posts with you denouncing settler violence, of the 1700 posts here.

The stats show that Israel and Israeli settlers commit way more 'terrorism' than Palestinians.
If you were balanced you'd be posting about settler attacks much more.

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www.btselem.org

 

[basketcase]

They post a peace plan you won't accept, that's different....

Except they don't actually endorse any peace plan

You can never accept an Israel that gave Palestinians the same rights as Jews.
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Sorry but Israel does give all citizens equal rights. The PA on the other hand have laws based explicitly on religion such as the ones banning Jewish land ownership and making it a capitol offence to sell land to Jews. of course you find it impossible to criticize such things.


And on the topic of rejecting equal rights,


As I've said repeatedly, if you actually supported equal rights, you'd have some words critical of the 77% of Palestinians who reject the idea. Thankfully your racist elitism and double standard has you ignoring what Palestinians say, do, or want.

 

[basketcase]

1) You're backing war crimes....

I'm not the one claiming that it's okay to kill civilians simply because of their religion and the actions of other civilians.

You tell us how you can tell which 'settlers' are unarmed civilians and which ones are militants.

Thankfully for your mental health, you are incapable of understanding your arguments apply both ways. If a Jew being in the West Bank makes them a valid target because other Jews may commit war crimes then every Palestinian in Gaza would be a valid target because their leaders regularly commit war crimes. Tell us, how you can tell which Palestinians are unarmed civilians and which ones are militants.

Interesting you're taking the attitude of 'kill 'em all and let god sort them out'. Do you even think about what you're posting?

 

[basketcase]

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You pretend you are balanced but you will post endlessly about Hamas ...

Hamas is a designated terrorist entity in Canada. Being a settler isn't on that list.

 

[Frankfooter]

Except they don't actually endorse any peace plan

Like I said, you don't accept ending apartheid as a viable peace plan.
That's your own racism speaking, not reality.

Sorry but Israel does give all citizens equal rights. The PA on the other hand have laws based explicitly on religion such as the ones banning Jewish land ownership and making it a capitol offence to sell land to Jews. of course you find it impossible to criticize such things.

No, you are lying.
1) Israeli Arabs do not have the right to self determination
2) Israeli Arabs in Jerusalem have fewer rights
3) Palestinians living under Israeli occupation live as stateless refugees in Gaza and the West Bank with zero human rights.

This is all detailed in reports by the UN, HRW, Amnesty and B'tselem.
But you know that.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/in-the-21st-century-anti-zionism-means-anti-semitism.779680/post-7795756

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

And on the topic of rejecting equal rights,
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As I've said repeatedly, if you actually supported equal rights, you'd have some words critical of the 77% of Palestinians who reject the idea. Thankfully your racist elitism and double standard has you ignoring what Palestinians say, do, or want.

There's a reason you don't supply links to those polls, isn't there?
Palestinians favour a one-state over a two-state solution, poll finds

 

[Frankfooter]

Hamas is a designated terrorist entity in Canada. Being a settler isn't on that list.

But Kach is, and Ben Gvir and quite a few settlers are members of that movement.
Join me in calling for the ICC to investigate both sides for all accused of 'terrorism'.

I'm not the one claiming that it's okay to kill civilians simply because of their religion and the actions of other civilians.

Actually you are, you keep arguing its ok to kill Palestinians based on their religion even when they are civilians.
I argue that settlers are committing terrorism with the backing of the state and as a result Palestinians have the right of self defence against the foreign, racist militants.

Thankfully for your mental health, you are incapable of understanding your arguments apply both ways. If a Jew being in the West Bank makes them a valid target because other Jews may commit war crimes then every Palestinian in Gaza would be a valid target because their leaders regularly commit war crimes. Tell us, how you can tell which Palestinians are unarmed civilians and which ones are militants.

Interesting you're taking the attitude of 'kill 'em all and let god sort them out'. Do you even think about what you're posting?

This is exactly what you argued to justify Israel killing civilians during the Great March of Return. Now you say you're against it?
I assume this means you'll support a call for Israel to be investigated over charges of targeting civilians.

Five years on from the Great March of Return wounds are still unhealed - Latest News & Developments - Medical Aid for Palestinians

Ahmad is still being treated for a gunshot wound he sustained during the ‘Great March of Return’ protests in Gaza, five years ago today.

www.map.org.uk

 

[Klatuu]

Hamas is a designated terrorist entity in Canada. Being a settler isn't on that list.

The settlements have been designated a violation of the Geneva Convention by Canada. A war crime against Palestinians.
The settlers are violating that law. The settlers also work with the IDF to remove and displace Palestinians largely through violence - these are also war crimes on 24/7 basis.

The armed settlers or settlers that are part of the support structures of the settler paramilitaries are illegal combatants. The settlers that work in concert with the IDF are also illegal combatants.

 

[basketcase]

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No, you are lying.
1) Israeli Arabs do not have the right to self determination
2) Israeli Arabs in Jerusalem have fewer rights
3) Palestinians living under Israeli occupation live as stateless refugees in Gaza and the West Bank with zero human rights.
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1) Idiotic claim just because you don't like the fact that Israeli Arabs CHOOSE to be Israelis and in polling overwhelmingly would prefer remaining Israeli in any kind of peace deal. Says a lot that they would rather live in a state where they face systemic racism rather than live under the PA or Hamas.

2) Arabs in East Jerusalem have full opportunity to get Israeli citizenship though they face huge intimidation from Palestinian groups about it. It's not that much different than permanent residents in Canada. They can choose to become citizens but unless they do, they don't have the privileges of citizenship.

3) West Bank and Gaza Palestinians DON'T WANT to be Israelis no matter how much you want them forced into it.

There's a reason you don't supply links to those polls, isn't there?
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Another dumb claim. But of course you want to ignore it when Palestinians reject what your elitism wants to force them into.

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2087%20English%20full%20text%20March2023.pdf

 

[basketcase]

And while we're at it:



And speaking of armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel, terrorism or not?

Gunfire hits homes on northern kibbutz, in suspected attack by West Bank terrorists

No injuries but slight damage caused to Ma'ale Gilboa houses; footage published by Islamic Jihad shows shots being fired at Israeli town in distance; army searching for gunmen

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[basketcase]

The settlements have been designated a violation of the Geneva Convention by Canada. A war crime against Palestinians.
The settlers are violating that law. The settlers also work with the IDF to remove and displace Palestinians largely through violence - these are also war crimes on 24/7 basis.

The armed settlers or settlers that are part of the support structures of the settler paramilitaries are illegal combatants. The settlers that work in concert with the IDF are also illegal combatants.

You better have a word with Franky. He keeps claiming that Amnesty and B'Tselem are impeccable sources and they both reject your claims that being a Jew in the West Bank makes you a valid target.

 

[basketcase]

But Kach is, and Ben Gvir and quite a few settlers are members of that movement.
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Bullshit. I know because Kach is banned in Israel. Ben Gvir has an ideology based on Kahane's teaching but the same logic would say the PA has an ideology based on Amin al-Husseini. Hamas isn't a terrorist group simply because they are racists, they are a designated terrorist group because they regularly conduct acts of terror.


More importantly, one settler being inspired by a terrorist group doesn't make every Jew a valid target like you want to claim. As I said, your 'logic' would justify Israel killing off every Palestinian in the West Bank since some Palestinians are members of terrorist groups who actively attack civilian targets.

Your racist double standard shows every time you argue Jews are legitimate targets because some other Jews are violent while Palestinians who attack Israelis should be protected from any consequences.

Fucking pathetic and deep down, you know it.

 

[basketcase]

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Palestinians favour a one-state over a two-state solution, poll finds

Even stupider is your out of date poll contradicts the news article you posted.


Unless you think that 26% is greater than 29%.

http://www.jmcc.org/documents/Jmcc98En_M2211.pdf

Must suck when you have to deal with people who actually look at poll data instead of relying on some blog's interpretation.

 

[Klatuu]

You better have a word with Franky. He keeps claiming that Amnesty and B'Tselem are impeccable sources and they both reject your claims that being a Jew in the West Bank makes you a valid target.

You’d be advised to revisit that statement. Neither Amnesty nor B’Tselem consider illegal combatants civilians.

In fact, B’Tselem connects settler violence with Israeli policy. Settler Violence = State Violence.

Settler Violence = State Violence

Since occupying the West Bank in 1967, Israel has misappropriated more than 2 million dunams of land there for its own purposes, including building and expanding settlements and paving roads for settlers. Some areas have been officially taken over by the state, others through daily acts of...

www.btselem.org

 

[Klatuu]

And speaking of armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel, terrorism or not?

Gunfire hits homes on northern kibbutz, in suspected attack by West Bank terrorists

No injuries but slight damage caused to Ma'ale Gilboa houses; footage published by Islamic Jihad shows shots being fired at Israeli town in distance; army searching for gunmen

www.timesofisrael.com

Are you seriously asking us to privilege Israeli civilians over Palestinians civilians? Have you given up all pretense of hiding your racism?

 

[Frankfooter]

1) Idiotic claim just because you don't like the fact that Israeli Arabs CHOOSE to be Israelis and in polling overwhelmingly would prefer remaining Israeli in any kind of peace deal. Says a lot that they would rather live in a state where they face systemic racism rather than live under the PA or Hamas.

2) Arabs in East Jerusalem have full opportunity to get Israeli citizenship though they face huge intimidation from Palestinian groups about it. It's not that much different than permanent residents in Canada. They can choose to become citizens but unless they do, they don't have the privileges of citizenship.

3) West Bank and Gaza Palestinians DON'T WANT to be Israelis no matter how much you want them forced into it.

Palestinians live under apartheid as detailed below.
Your views are those of a supremacist.

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

 

[Frankfooter]

And while we're at it:
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And speaking of armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel, terrorism or not?

Gunfire hits homes on northern kibbutz, in suspected attack by West Bank terrorists

No injuries but slight damage caused to Ma'ale Gilboa houses; footage published by Islamic Jihad shows shots being fired at Israeli town in distance; army searching for gunmen

www.timesofisrael.com

You keep acting like you're surprised that Palestinians turn to violence while living under a brutal, 53 year old, apartheid occupation with no other options.
You and Israel oppose BDS, protests, going to the ICC, equal rights, ending the occupation, giving back Palestinian land and any other real form of peaceful solution.
Then you turn around and try to blame the victims for resisting the apartheid occupation.

Join me in supporting BDS as a peaceful way forward.

 

[Frankfooter]

Bullshit. I know because Kach is banned in Israel. Ben Gvir has an ideology based on Kahane's teaching but the same logic would say the PA has an ideology based on Amin al-Husseini. Hamas isn't a terrorist group simply because they are racists, they are a designated terrorist group because they regularly conduct acts of terror.


More importantly, one settler being inspired by a terrorist group doesn't make every Jew a valid target like you want to claim. As I said, your 'logic' would justify Israel killing off every Palestinian in the West Bank since some Palestinians are members of terrorist groups who actively attack civilian targets.

Your racist double standard shows every time you argue Jews are legitimate targets because some other Jews are violent while Palestinians who attack Israelis should be protected from any consequences.

Fucking pathetic and deep down, you know it.

The zionist movement you back is a movement based on racial supremacy and 19th century colonialism.
Its been put in power through terrorism and violence.

You can't be a supporter of apartheid and accuse anyone else of racism or supporting violence.

I support BDS, non violence and anti racism.
You support apartheid.

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org