In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

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More code for I can’t answer.

Sad that someone in this country would cheer the killing of civilians simply because they were Jews driving in the West Bank.

Palestinians and the UN no longer recognize settlers as civilians.
They are armed militants now.
And quite often terrorists.

“Disturbing evidence of Israeli forces frequently facilitating, supporting and participating in settler attacks, makes it difficult to discern between Israeli settler and State violence,” said the experts. “The impunity of one is reinforced by the impunity of the other.”

Of course only the UN, ICJ or ICC can make the official ruling.
But Palestinians have a legit argument that settlers are not civilians.

Which means Palestinians are not committing terrorism by targeting them.

 

[canada-man]

New Palestinian Terrorist Group Emerging in West Bank



A new armed Palestinian group has been established in the northern West Bank town of Salfit, media reported on Sunday.

The Jerusalem Post learned that a number of terror militias have been operating there for several months. The new group, called the “Martyr Omar Abu Laila Battalion,” is named after a Palestinian terrorist who carried out a stabbing attack near Ariel, in the central West Bank, killing two Israelis, a soldier and a civilian.


On March 17, 2019, the terrorist stabbed Sergeant Gal Keidan at Ariel Junction, grabbed the soldier’s gun and opened fire, hitting Rabbi Achiad Ettinger, who later succumbed to his wounds. The terrorist was later killed in an exchange of fire with Israeli army forces.

Senior Palestinian Authority officials and leaders of Fatah, the ruling faction, have since praised Abu Laila for the attack. A memorial has been erected in his honor in the village of Abwein, near Ramallah, where he had been hiding before he was killed.

In a statement announcing its establishment, the Martyr Omar Abu Laila Battalion said its “soldiers were preparing many surprises that would shake the brutal [Israeli] entity”. Similar groups operate in the northern West Bank, including the “Lions’ Den” group, the Jenin Battalion, the Nablus Battalion and the Balata Battalion.

These groups consist of dozens of armed men affiliated with various factions, including Fatah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad. According to Palestinian sources, other armed groups have also appeared in other areas of the West Bank, including Bethlehem and Hebron.

New Palestinian Terrorist Group Emerging in West Bank - Algemeiner.com

 

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New Palestinian Terrorist Group Emerging in West Bank

Except if they are targeting settlers they are not terrorist any more since settlers are likely militants.

 

[basketcase]

Palestinians and the UN no longer recognize settlers as civilians.
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Many Palestinians may not and that's a problem. The UN and international law does. I'm proud of you though for at least admitting you think someone being Jewish makes them a valid target.


p.s. the armed combatant's argument is funny coming from you as you continually argue that Israel has no right to try and arrest or shoot back at attackers. Even your little buddy was smart enough to see how flawed that argument is. You've tried it before but if you really believe settler civilians are valid targets because a small number of them are violent then that same logic would apply to Palestinian civilians.

 

[basketcase]

The two state solution is dead, killed by colonization through 'settlers'.
The one state, apartheid solution is active.
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Amazing that you keep rejecting peace talks and a solution both sides agree on in favour of Israel forcing Palestinians into something only 22% of Palestinians support.

p.s. Considering how many time Palestinian and Arab leadership have rejected various Two State peace options and how many prominent Palestinian factions reject the possibility of a Jewish majority state, could it be that Israeli leadership isn't the only problem?

 

[basketcase]

No, they are the local population, the instigators are the colonizing foreign army.
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What trash. Do you think First nations in Canada are entitled to shoot at you or Metro police without repercussion?

Oh that's right, you think Palestinians are so far beneath you that they have no agency.

And BTW. this is something that should be condemned, not praised.
A large majority of 71% say they support the shooting of two settlers in Huwara

Looks like you're going to get yourself another intifada soon.
Congrats.

Besides your insane belief that I have any influence on the conflict... Why are you so happy that a bunch more Palestinians and Israelis will needlessly die?

 

[basketcase]

p.s. Palestinian support for terrorism is now up to 61%.

 

[Frankfooter]

Many Palestinians may not and that's a problem. The UN and international law does. I'm proud of you though for at least admitting you think someone being Jewish makes them a valid target.


p.s. the armed combatant's argument is funny coming from you as you continually argue that Israel has no right to try and arrest or shoot back at attackers. Even your little buddy was smart enough to see how flawed that argument is. You've tried it before but if you really believe settler civilians are valid targets because a small number of them are violent then that same logic would apply to Palestinian civilians.

The UN and B'tselem have both noted that settlers are acting as militants with the backing of the IDF.
Not civilians.

The occupation is illegal but somehow you think killing people to maintain an illegal, apartheid occupation is ok.
Why?

 

[Frankfooter]

What trash. Do you think First nations in Canada are entitled to shoot at you or Metro police without repercussion?

Oh that's right, you think Palestinians are so far beneath you that they have no agency.

And BTW. this is something that should be condemned, not praised.
A large majority of 71% say they support the shooting of two settlers in Huwara



Besides your insane belief that I have any influence on the conflict... Why are you so happy that a bunch more Palestinians and Israelis will needlessly die?

Why would you think I'm happy people are dying?
I keep arguing for BDS as the only non-violent solution to the apartheid occupation and de facto one state solution.

You say:
BDS is antisemitic
Protests are antisemitic
Going to the ICC is antisemitic
UN resolutions are antisemitic

Then you turn around and support shooting Palestinians who protest, Palestinians who resist, Palestinians who are just living in their homes and all of Gaza.
While accusing me of supporting violence.

Get a mirror.
And support BDS.

 

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You all have gone at it hammer and tongs through multiple threads and neither one of you is going to comment on the power grab and counter protests going on in Israel this last week?

 

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p.s. Palestinian support for terrorism is now up to 61%.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

 

[Frankfooter]

You all have gone at it hammer and tongs through multiple threads and neither one of you is going to comment on the power grab and counter protests going on in Israel this last week?

I mentioned it a couple of times but its just one of a few subjects the Israeli supporters don't want to touch.
Its hard for someone like basketcase to defend turning Israel into Iran, so he just avoids the protests and law changes altogether.

 

[basketcase]

The UN and B'tselem have both noted that settlers are acting as militants with the backing of the IDF.
Not civilians.
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Bullshit. Some people might have claimed that the settlers WHO ARE acting as militants can be treated like such. This is the same as saying that Palestinians who are acting as militants can be treated like such.

As I've said before but doesn't get through your insanely racist and immoral double standard, if all Jews in the West Bank are valid targets because other Jews act as militants, then all Palestinians would be valid targets because some Palestinians are part of militant terror groups.

But that's not what you argue. You claim being a Jew in the West Bank makes you a valid target while at the same time claiming that actual Palestinian militants who shoot at Jews or police can't face consequences.

More of your absolutely ridiculous racist bullshit.

 

[basketcase]

Why would you think I'm happy people are dying?
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When you're cheering of an intifada instead of calling for peace.

But you've been pretty consistent in not caring what Palestinians say or do, as long as you can use it in your crusade against Israel.

 

[basketcase]

You all have gone at it hammer and tongs through multiple threads and neither one of you is going to comment on the power grab and counter protests going on in Israel this last week?

It's been mentioned. I think it's disgusting. Franky thinks anything about Israel is disgusting.


The last time it was brought up, Franky said Israel is moving towards being like Iran (which I agree with) but then I pointed out Franky repeatedly makes excuses for Iran and reminded him about his posts calling Iran a democracy.

 

[basketcase]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The wording of the question asked by that Palestinian polling agency is about support for "armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel". Nothing ambiguous there.


But as I said before, it is refreshing to see someone be overt with their disgusting moral compass.

 

[Frankfooter]

When you're cheering of an intifada instead of calling for peace.

But you've been pretty consistent in not caring what Palestinians say or do, as long as you can use it in your crusade against Israel.

I call for peace through supporting BDS here in every post.
BDS is a Palestinian movement.

You support apartheid and won't admit Palestinians deserve basic human rights.
Your 19th century colonial racism is the source of the attitude that brings on the violence.

 

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It's been mentioned. I think it's disgusting. Franky thinks anything about Israel is disgusting.


The last time it was brought up, Franky said Israel is moving towards being like Iran (which I agree with) but then I pointed out Franky repeatedly makes excuses for Iran and reminded him about his posts calling Iran a democracy.

no

 

[Frankfooter]

Bullshit. Some people might have claimed that the settlers WHO ARE acting as militants can be treated like such. This is the same as saying that Palestinians who are acting as militants can be treated like such.

As I've said before but doesn't get through your insanely racist and immoral double standard, if all Jews in the West Bank are valid targets because other Jews act as militants, then all Palestinians would be valid targets because some Palestinians are part of militant terror groups.

But that's not what you argue. You claim being a Jew in the West Bank makes you a valid target while at the same time claiming that actual Palestinian militants who shoot at Jews or police can't face consequences.

More of your absolutely ridiculous racist bullshit.

Ok, lets limit to settlers who are actively illegally colonizing Palestine through force.
Oh, wait, that's all of them.
Every single settlement is a war crime and every single settler a war criminal.


Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms

Really, this is a question that the ICC and UN should answer. But over the last year or so the number of attacks by settlers backed by the IDF has gone up massively. B'tselem, for instance, posted that settlers are civilians about a decade ago but now also posts that settlers are part the state violence that is the apartheid regime. If you want a serious answer to this question take it to the ICC. Good luck.

B'tselem:
Since occupying the West Bank in 1967, Israel has misappropriated more than 2 million dunams of land there for its own purposes, including building and expanding settlements and paving roads for settlers. Some areas have been officially taken over by the state, others through daily acts of settler violence. These two seemingly unrelated tracks are both forms of state violence: the Israeli apartheid regime and its representatives actively aid and abet the settlers’ violence as part of a strategy to cement the takeover of Palestinian land.

Settlers are part of the Israeli policy of colonization.
This is what you call 'random Jews', isn't it?

Illegal settlers attack Huwara and torch Palestinian property

A Palestinian family was in their home when the settlers set it on fire

www.middleeastmonitor.com

 

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The Real Meaning Of 'Pro-Palestinian'
by Bassam Tawil
March 27, 2023 at 5:00 am




An anti-Israel group called Palestinian Solidarity Forum (PSF) on March 20 invited officials from the Iranian-backed Palestinian terror groups Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) to speak at an event at the University of Cape Town in South Africa.

The two terror leaders, Khaled Qaddoumi of Hamas and Nasser Abu Sharif of PIJ, addressed students during the annual "Israel Apartheid Week," a one-sided propaganda event smearing Israel that takes place every year on a number of university campuses in the US and Europe.

Inviting Hamas and PIJ officials to participate in such events shows that the real aim of the so-called pro-Palestinian groups is not to help the Palestinians, but to incite and spread hate and libels against the only democracy in the Middle East: Israel.

This public display of support for terror groups does not serve the interests of the Palestinians. Instead, it sends a message to the Palestinians that the students and professors at the universities around the world support terrorism as a means to kill Jews and destroy Israel.

The participation of the terror leaders in the "Israel Apartheid Week" shows that the real intention of the anti-Israel groups on campus is not to criticize Israel, but to eliminate it.

Hamas and PIJ, which call for the destruction of Israel and reject a two-state solution, are designated as terrorist organizations by the US, Canada, the European Union, Israel, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Britain. The two groups have carried out thousands of terror attacks against Israel, including suicide bombings, drive-by shootings, stabbings, and car-rammings. They are also responsible for the launching of thousands of missiles from the Gaza Strip into Israel over the past two decades.

It is ironic that those purporting to be "pro-Palestinian" would invite representatives of radical Islamist groups to spew hate against hatred against Israel at a time when Palestinians living under the rule of Hamas and PIJ in the Gaza Strip are suffering from oppression and repression.

For the past two decades, the two Palestinian terror groups have dragged the residents of the Gaza Strip into several rounds of fighting with Israel, mostly after launching missiles towards Israeli cities and towns. The wars have claimed the lives of thousands of Palestinians and brought havoc on the two million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip.

More disturbing is that the students at the South Africa university did not conceal their support for Hamas and PIJ "resistance" against Israel. The term "resistance" is a euphemism for terror attacks against Israelis. The "pro-Palestinian" students even held a "vigil" on campus in support of the "martyrs that sacrificed their lives for the liberation of Palestine." The term "martyrs" refers to the terrorists of the two groups who were killed while carrying out attacks against Israel or during armed clashes with Israeli security forces.

During the "vigil," the students held flags and banners of Hamas and Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed terror group in Lebanon, as well as photos of Qassem Soleimani, the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps commander who was assassinated by the US in Iraq in 2020.

If the "pro-Palestinian" groups really cared about the Palestinians, they would be speaking out against the repressive measures and human rights violations perpetrated by Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

On March 22, Hamas security officers beat and arrested Palestinian journalist Hani Abu Rizek. According to sources in the Gaza Strip, Abu Rizek was arrested after he reported that Palestinians were complaining about high taxes imposed by the Hamas government.

By voicing support for Hamas and ignoring the plight of Palestinians such as Abu Rizek, the students marking the so-called "Israel Apartheid Week" are actually saying that they back the terror group's crackdown on journalists.

Glorifying a mass murderer such as Soleimani is not an expression of solidarity with the Palestinians. In fact, many Palestinians have denounced the slain Iranian military commander as a murderer responsible for atrocities against many Muslims, including Iraqis, Syrians and Palestinians. When Hamas hung billboards with Soleimani's photos in the Gaza Strip, Palestinians tore them down as an act of protest against his crimes.

The "pro-Palestinian" activists on the campuses probably do not know that Palestinians in the Gaza Strip were celebrating and handing out sweets upon learning about the assassination of Soleimani. Palestinian columnist Ibrahim Hamami commented:

"Anyone who praises Qassem Soleimani is complicit in his crimes. I consider any statement in this regard as political stupidity and a betrayal of the blood of the Muslims that was shed by this criminal."

It is hard to see how support for a mass murderer such as Soleimani and Iran's proxy terror groups – Hamas, PIJ and Hezbollah – does anything good for the Palestinians. On the contrary, those who are empowering these terrorists are doing a massive disservice to the Palestinians, especially those who continue to suffer under the rule of Hamas and PIJ in the Gaza Strip.

Instead of building schools and hospitals for their people, Hamas and PIJ are investing millions of dollars in smuggling and manufacturing weapons and digging tunnels that would be used to infiltrate Israel and kill Jews. Instead of improving the living conditions of their people, Hamas and PIJ leaders are imposing new taxes and leading comfortable lives in Qatar, Lebanon and other countries. Instead of bringing democracy and freedom of speech to their people, the terror groups are arresting and intimidating journalists, human rights activists and political opponents.

All these violations are, needless to say, of no concern to the so-called "pro-Palestinian" students on the campuses. Have these students ever denounced Hamas for suppressing public freedoms and depriving its people of a good life? No. Will these students ever call out the Palestinian leadership for the financial corruption and persecution of political opponents and critics? No.

The "pro-Palestinian" individuals and groups might also understand that by siding with Hamas and PIJ, they are harming, not helping, the same people -- the Palestinians -- they claim to support.

Hamas, for example, has a long history of going after journalists who dare to expose its corruption. These include Abu Rizek, arrested by Hamas last week; Saeed Ahmad in November 2022, for exposing the alleged involvement of the terror group in smuggling Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Europe; and a year earlier, without providing any explanation.

In addition to journalists, targeted by Hamas on a regular basis, academics are also being arrested by the terror group. Salem al-Sabah, for instance, head of the University of Palestine in the Gaza Strip, was arrested by Hamas last year -- without even an arrest warrant, leading "many" social media users to denounce the episode as a "kidnapping." His alleged crime was reportedly to have "exposed figures close to Hamas and accused them of money laundering and corruption."

The silence of the "pro-Palestinian" students towards these arrests actually causes harm to Palestinians: it allows Hamas to continue its brutality without having to worry about negative reactions from the international community.

The "pro-Palestinian" activists on campuses have again proven that all they have to offer is hatred toward Israel. The real "pro-Palestinian" advocates are those who want to see a good life for the Palestinians, not those who encourage them to embrace terror groups.

Instead of sitting at a campus and aligning themselves with Hamas and PIJ, the "pro-Palestinian" activists should, for example, wage campaigns to demand democracy and freedom of speech for the Palestinians living under the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

These activists should be defending the rights of women and gays in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip. That is the way to be a real "pro-Palestinian" activist. Being "pro-Palestinian" does not necessarily mean that one has to be anti-Israel.

Instead of calling for boycotts and sanctions against Israel, the "pro-Palestinian" students should invite Israelis and Palestinians to their campuses to build, not destroy, bridges between the two peoples. If these students want Palestinians to boycott Israel, they should offer the Palestinians jobs and salaries, not more messages of hate.

Bassam Tawil is a Muslim Arab based in the Middle East.

The Real Meaning Of 'Pro-Palestinian' :: Gatestone Institute