If you agree with the lockdown....

[doggystyle99]

You're so fucking full of shit!

Yes of course there are cultural differences between EU countries, but nothing that would affect the spread of coronavirus anymore from one country to another, or that one country would "listen" to their government more than another EU country.

This is complete BULLSHIT that you pulled out of your ass in a pathetic attempt to explain away why Sweden now has a much lower daily infection rate than many other EU countries.

Take it from someone who has actually lived in Europe for half his life

Sweden has significantly more similarities to its border neighboring countries Denmark, Norway and Finland than it does all these other countries you try to ignorantly compare them to. If you lived in Europe and you didn't figure out the difference between Nordic Vs European countries and people you simply lived more of an uninformed life, not surprised that you are unaware of these vast and significant differences that affect the spread of the virus. I've previously pointed them out numerous times to you, not that you've understood what they are.
The fact that you also think East Asian countries do not have these important differences to North American's is another example of how uncultured you are.
Other than your Dutch passport proving your Dutch it proves nothing else, there are many uninformed people even from the Netherlands.

Here is the prevalence of the Coronavirus in Sweden compared to its border neighbouring countries who all share so many sociological norms with one another.

As of October 15
--------------------------7 day average---------------7 day average/Mln
Sweden--------------653------------------------------64/Mln
Denmark------------410------------------------------70/Mln
Norway--------------131------------------------------24/Mln
Finland---------------228-----------------------------41/Mln

As your made up assumptions about Sweden you can clearly assume Sweden has reached herd immunity and others haven't and these numbers are a representative of it.
You can also clearly see your other common assumption that those other countries are in a 2nd wave meanwhile Sweden isn't, again these numbers are clearly showing that.

 

[shack]

Learn what societal norms are, there is a huge diffeence between Europeans and Nordic countries, their people and their sociological makeups. There is a difference between people in Norway Vs Spain,

No way. They love bullfighting in Oslo.

 

[TeeJay]

Hawaii is remote???

Um its a US island so people travel between it and mainland all the time

New Zealand is a separate country (also thousands of km further away from any covid hotspots) and much easier to contain

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

All the more reason for Hawaii to shut down.

Hawaii has a much smaller population than New Zealand. And way more C-19 deaths

Hawaii's main income is tourism. If you shut that down for too long the entire island will go bankrupt

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Sweden has significantly more similarities to its border neighboring countries Denmark, Norway and Finland than it does all these other countries you try to ignorantly compare them to. If you lived in Europe and you didn't figure out the difference between Nordic Vs European countries and people you simply lived more of an uninformed life

I need a good laugh this morning, so please tell us what these cultural differences are that would cause the virus to infect one country much more than the other. You said something along the lines of Swedes will listen to their government more. Please show stats that back up your opinion

As your made up assumptions about Sweden you can clearly assume Sweden has reached herd immunity and others haven't and these numbers are a representative of it.
You can also clearly see your other common assumption that those other countries are in a 2nd wave meanwhile Sweden isn't, again these numbers are clearly showing that

Sweden must have attained some level of herd immunity because there are relatively few infections (and almost no deaths), even though the entire country never shut down. Bars, restaurants, cinemas....etc are all wide open and yet they dont have many infections

 

[MissCroft]

Sure, i can. It's simple logic. Here's an example:

A coin has 2 sides, side A & side B. It is "obviously clear" that if you flip the coin a trillion times it will "probably" land on side A at least once.

Yes, I understand the laws of probability. Let's use a smaller number (because of course in a trillion, it will, lol). If you flip a coin five times it is "obviously clear" that it will "probably" land on Side A at least once. True. BUT, that doesn't mean for certain that it will. Just because it can land on side A, doesn't mean that it will. Get it? Just because there might be fewer abortions doesn't mean that there are fewer abortions. Therefore, you cannot state it as a fact which you are trying to do by saying that it is "obviously clear"...… And then saying "probably" thus negating the "obviously clear".

It's simple. If I say, "It is obviously clear that there is tarragon in this soup" then a minute later I say, "there is probably tarragon in this soup", I have negated the first statement i.e. It is no longer "obviously clear". Simple logic. At this point, I am only guessing about the tarragon. (Sorry, I'm picky with wording, lol).

And comparing a coin toss to abortion stats is ridiculous. Abortions are not RANDOM like a coin toss. There are many factors at play.

Stats are not relevant to my point. I base my conclusion on other reasons...............…….Again stats are not relevant to my point.

That says it all.

" Based on what we know at this time, pregnant people might be at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19 compared to non-pregnant people. Additionally, pregnant people with COVID-19 may be at increased risk for other adverse outcomes, such as preterm birth."

Which is precisely why some women may have gotten abortions during this time! Because pregnant women are at a greater risk. Because people are worried about the future, etc. I don't even think that you realize that you are undermining your own argument.

However, I don't know if the numbers have gone up or down or remained the same. I don't have access to the stats. I'm not even sure if all them have to be reported. Don't forget that there is also an abortion pill (NOT the same as the morning-after pill) that only doctors can prescribe. I don't think those are reported.

And whatever changes in both abortion stats and HIV stats that may have occurred are only temporary. When things get better and/or there is vaccine, people are going to be f*&*ing like rabbits again! LOL

But all of this is completely off topic anyway. No hard feelings - I hope that all of us here are still friends? It's okay to have interesting debates.

 

[lenny2]

Yes, I understand the laws of probability. Let's use a smaller number (because of course in a trillion, it will, lol). If you flip a coin five times it is "obviously clear" that it will "probably" land on Side A at least once. True.

That supports my point. So you were wrong in saying:

"You can't say "obviously clear" and "probably" in the same argument. That wouldn't even fly in a first year university essay."

As I said:

Sure, i can. It's simple logic. Here's an example:

A coin has 2 sides, side A & side B. It is "obviously clear" that if you flip the coin a trillion times it will "probably" land on side A at least once.

Just because it can land on side A, doesn't mean that it will. Get it?

Obviously. That's why i used the word "probable" not "will" certainly do so.

Just because there might be fewer abortions doesn't mean that there are fewer abortions. Therefore, you cannot state it as a fact which you are trying to do by saying that it is "obviously clear"...… And then saying "probably" thus negating the "obviously clear".

Wrong again. Like i said:

Sure, i can. It's simple logic. Here's an example:

A coin has 2 sides, side A & side B. It is "obviously clear" that if you flip the coin a trillion times it will "probably" land on side A at least once.

It's simple. If I say, "It is obviously clear that there is tarragon in this soup" then a minute later I say, "there is probably tarragon in this soup", I have negated the first statement i.e. It is no longer "obviously clear". Simple logic.

Irrelevant. Because that's not what i've been saying. Instead what i've been saying is it is obviously clear that it is probable all in one statement, not separating them into 2 different statements as you did.

And comparing a coin toss to abortion stats is ridiculous. Abortions are not RANDOM like a coin toss. There are many factors at play.

I never said abortions are like a coin toss or have only two factors in play. My point is valid no matter how many factors are involved. The coin toss example was to show that you are wrong when you said:

"You can't say "obviously clear" and "probably" in the same argument."

In fact i can use them in the same argument when i say it is obviously clear that probably abortions were down during the lockdown. Whether or not you agree with me that that is obvious is besides the point.

 

[lenny2]

Hawaii's main income is tourism. If you shut that down for too long the entire island will go bankrupt

At the cost of how many lives. They could use some federal relief as businesses in other countries have received.

"The new testing program is an effort to stem the devastating downturn the pandemic has had on Hawaii's tourism-based economy. Officials had touted the mandatory quarantine rule as an integral part of Hawaii's early success in keeping the coronavirus at bay.

But gaps in the pre-travel testing program coupled with increasing cases of COVID-19 across the U.S. have raised questions about whether Hawaii is ready to safely welcome back vacationers.

And when local restrictions were eased before summertime holidays, community spread of the disease spiked to alarming levels, forcing a second round of stay-at-home orders for residents and closures for non-essential businesses."

Thousands arrive in Hawaii on first day pre-travel testing

About 8,000 people landed in Hawaii on the first day of a pre-travel testing program that allowed travellers to come to the islands without quarantining for two weeks if they could produce a negative coronavirus test.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[doggystyle99]

I need a good laugh this morning, so please tell us what these cultural differences are that would cause the virus to infect one country much more than the other. You said something along the lines of Swedes will listen to their government more. Please show stats that back up your opinion

Yes there are significant differences between Nordic countries & their population Vs European countries & their population which has a significant affect on the spread of the virus. Not that you've retained any of these facts that have been previously explained to you. Try reading the responses.

A lot of people got a great laugh at you posting your Dutch passport photo as if that makes any difference to your non factual posts, it absolutely doesn't because you are uninformed yet again on another subject.....not surprising though. How many months did you live in Europe?

Sweden must have attained some level of herd immunity because there are relatively few infections (and almost no deaths), even though the entire country never shut down. Bars, restaurants, cinemas....etc are all wide open and yet they dont have many infections

As per your assumption of herd immunity on Sweden (which your criteria has changed numerous times) that they have attained, again the rate they are having infections is just as high as their border neighbouring countries that you have claimed are in a second wave, and substanitially higher to other border neighbouring countries who they share more similarities with than rest of Europe.
How does someone like yourself figure Denmark is in a 2nd wave but Sweden is not when the rate of infections is very similar adjusted for population?
Again the low amount of deaths currently is not only limited to Sweden it's being seen around the world, you would have to have a little knowledge and understanding of the Coronavirus to know why.

Here is the prevalence of the Coronavirus in Sweden compared to its border neighbouring countries who all share so many sociological norms with one another.

As of October 15
------------------------7 day average-----------------7 day average/Mln

Sweden--------------653------------------------------64/Mln
Denmark------------410------------------------------70/Mln
Norway--------------131------------------------------24/Mln
Finland---------------228-----------------------------41/Mln

I didn't post the 7 day average number of cases as of October 16th as I previously mentioned Sweden does not report number of cases on the weekend and they take more than half the week reporting and re-adjusting the number of cases.

 

[jalimon]

I am surprise this thread is dragging on... I mean directly from the subject you see that it's post by someone that not tolerate any debate. It' à la Trump.. My way or no way.

I mean the subject says you are in imbecile if you do not agree with him... Case close. Even if I do not agree with a lockdown I am still an imbecile because I would agree with what our scientist at public health tells me to do. I mean they have studyed the matter a bit more then me. To say the least..

 

[lenny2]

Again the low amount of deaths currently is not only limited to Sweden it's being seen around the world, you would have to have a little knowledge and understanding of the Coronavirus to know why.

I'm wondering if you have an opinion or any comments on this article:

newsGP - Are COVID death rates really falling globally?

Around the world, COVID is becoming a disease of younger people, and death rates may be tracking lower. But experts warn against complacency and reliance on at-times rubbery data.

www1.racgp.org.au