If you agree with the lockdown....

[bebe]

It's about to happen

I missed the update. did Ford close anything..oh wait today was about having some pro baller talk.

Kids ought to be happy, Dr. Tam said Halloween should proceed. I will do what I do every year, keep the house in total darkness ..who really wants a bunch of strangers knocking on their door.

 

[TeeJay]

I missed the update. did Ford close anything..oh wait today was about having some pro baller talk.

Kids ought to be happy, Dr. Tam said Halloween should proceed. I will do what I do every year, keep the house in total darkness ..who really wants a bunch of strangers knocking on their door.

They have some rather funny guidelines for Halloween but I just shake my head at the bomb shelter denizens screaming we should cancel it outright

Kids wearing masks picking up prepackaged candies are certainly safer than people sitting in a restaurant or a drive thru window

 

[lenny2]

"Experts: COVID-19 herd immunity strategy could lead to 'overwhelming death and devastation' Abby Haglage

Wed, October 14, 2020, 11:34 AM PDTSenior Trump administration officials have reportedly endorsed a reopening strategy that hinges on exposing young, healthy people to COVID-19 in order to protect those at highest risk, the New York Times writes. The plan is aimed at achieving “herd immunity,” defined by the Mayo Clinic as when a “large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely.”

Herd immunity is typically only reached through vaccination, and experts say attempting to attain it without a vaccine — in the midst of a pandemic where as many as 95 percent of Americans aren’t immune — could be disastrous. “Two to 6 million deaths is a perfectly reasonable back-of-the-envelope calculation,” Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University, tells Yahoo Life.

When asked about the potential loss of life that could occur from a herd immunity strategy, a spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services directed Yahoo Life to a series of tweets from its secretary, Alex Azar. In them, Azar mentions a meeting with Trump’s newest coronavirus adviser, Dr. Scott Atlas, as well as some of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, a petition created by a subset of scientists who believe herd immunity is the best solution.

But this group of scientists — who did not reply to Yahoo Life’s request for comment — are decidedly in the minority. Schaffner, a 50-year-plus veteran of epidemiology, says taking their approach to herd immunity would be playing with fire. “If we leave it to the virus itself, we have to recognize that in many parts of the United States at present, less than 5 percent of people have been infected,” he says. “That means the virus would have to infect a vastly larger number of people to actually achieve herd immunity — at the price of huge amounts of social disruption, sickness, hospitalizations and, obviously, deaths.”

This level of illness, he says, could lead to a catastrophic loss of life. “The price would be enormous,” says Schaffner. “You would be rivaling the 1918 colossal influenza pandemic.” An estimated 50 million people worldwide died from that pandemic, including close to 700,000 people in the U.S. alone. Experts believe that roughly 25 percent of the U.S. population was infected with the virus at the time, leading to a 12-year drop in the average life expectancy rate.

Dr. Dara Kass, Yahoo Life’s medical contributor, believes there are many reasons why herd immunity could be a deadly disaster — not least of them that young, healthy people are not immune from severe illness. “There is a risk of every person getting infected passing away,” Kass says. “It may be smaller for young people than older people, but this is not a riskless infection.”

She notes that other countries, such as New Zealand, have been able to reopen by taking more serious precautions to prevent COVID-19, like enacting rigorous contact tracing programs. Meanwhile, the approach of Sweden, which set out to achieve herd immunity, has been labeled a “disaster” and a “failure,” resulting in one of the highest per capita death rates in the world.

Kass suggests that this example is even more reason to avoid it. “There is no objective evidence that this would work. None,” she says. “What these people are advocating for is a hypothetical that could result in overwhelming death and devastation, with no backing from any public health.” To employ this strategy, she says, would not only put young people at risk but force older and more vulnerable people to have to endure even more isolation — all seemingly in an effort to reopen the country more quickly. “They’re basing this on a hypothetical that makes their lives easier,” says Kass. “It’s lazy.”

Schaffner agrees that those who buy into it are missing the point. “There are always people — and I think more this time, because of the political overtones — who are dubious about the epidemic, who don’t really understand how it’s spread, and who, if they are not personally affected, don’t care very much,” he says. “We have a core of conspiracy theorists in the United States that seem to be with us. So it’s not really surprising. What is surprising is that there are people supporting it who seem to have some scientific background. I find it stunning.”

Although some may continue to argue that herd immunity has been achieved with other infections, such as measles, Schaffner says proponents of that theory are misguided. “They forget the price. Before we had a measles vaccine, 500 children died each year in the United States of measles and its complications,” he says. “That’s the price of herd immunity. Nature is fierce. It’s not benign.”

Experts: COVID-19 herd immunity strategy could lead to 'overwhelming death and devastation'

White House officials have reportedly endorsed a reopening strategy aimed at reaching herd immunity by infecting young people. Experts tell Yahoo Life the result could "rival the 1918 flu pandemic."

www.yahoo.com

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No, that's not all your doing with a total lockdown, which implies they're useless & that is false. When people stay at home for weeks any virus in them or in their home is generally destroyed: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html

But my point was eventually you have to open up the economy again, which means new infections will go up again.
All you're doing is delaying the inevitable

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Nordic countries and East Asian countries are significantly better at listening and adhering to what their government tells them to do whether it's out of trust or fear

Where did you get this bullshit from?? Oh wait, you pulled it out of your ass
I lived in Europe and there's absolutely no difference between how people in Sweden, Holland or Portugal listen to their government.
Stop making up shit!!

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate

I think you finally revealed your true motivation, you hate working and you'd rather stay home and live off the government dime.

All your posts make sense now

 

[doggystyle99]

Kids wearing masks picking up prepackaged candies are certainly safer than people sitting in a restaurant or a drive thru window

You are once again saying two different things and doing it without even noticing that you are contradicting yourself.

In multiple threads your claim has been "Masks do not work"
Now all of a sudden you think "Kids wearing masks picking up prepackaged candies are certainly safer than people sitting in a restaurant or a drive thru window"

How do you come up with this nonsense?

 

[doggystyle99]

Where did you get this bullshit from?? Oh wait, you pulled it out of your ass
I lived in Europe and there's absolutely no difference between how people in Sweden, Holland or Portugal listen to their government.
Stop making up shit!!

Definitely not from a FB buddy who lives in Sweden

Learn to read again there is a diffeence between Europeans and Nordic people, There is a difference between people in Denmark Vs Italy, there is a difference between people in Norway Vs Spain,
There is a difference between people in Finland Vs UK, there is a difference between people in Sweden Vs France. You can substitute any of those European countries with one another Vs the Nordic countries and the difference will still remain.
Even if you did live in Europe, I highly doubt it was any different than how you live in Canada...in terms of how uninformed you were and are.

 

[squeezer]

Where did you get this bullshit from?? Oh wait, you pulled it out of your ass
I lived in Europe and there's absolutely no difference between how people in Sweden, Holland or Portugal listen to their government.
Stop making up shit!!

Phil, should be follow Wisconsin's lead? Just let it rip through our communites so you and the rest of the AMIGOS can pretend it's life just like it was October of 2019?

'It will get worse before it gets better': Wisconsin shatters previous daily records with more than 3,700 new coronavirus cases

Wisconsin shattered previous daily records Thursday as the state's health crisis continued to soar to new heights\u00a0unimpeded.

www.jsonline.com

but alas my selfish friend, we have a responsible Prime Minister

Justin Trudeau: Canada-US border will stay closed until America gets COVID-19 under control

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www.usatoday.com

poor Disantis, even with under reporting the cases and doing his best to downplay the deaths, FLORIDA is taking a shit kicking because he is an AMIGO with power. All Amigos need to be sheep not leaders. As leaders they bring death!

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article246472450.html

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Definitely not from a FB buddy who lives in Sweden

Learn to read again there is a diffeence between Europeans and Nordic people, There is a difference between people in Denmark Vs Italy, there is a difference between people in Norway Vs Spain

No there isnt. Stop pulling bullshit out of your ass

 

[doggystyle99]

No there isnt. Stop pulling bullshit out of your ass

Learn what societal norms are, there is a huge diffeence between Europeans and Nordic countries, their people and their sociological makeups. There is a difference between people in Denmark Vs Italy, Norway Vs Spain, Finland Vs UK, and Sweden Vs France. You can substitute any of those European countries with one another Vs the Nordic countries and the difference will still remain.
It is not surprising you're unaware of these vast and important differences.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Learn what societal norms are, there is a huge diffeence between Europeans and Nordic countries, their people and their sociological makeups. There is a difference between people in Denmark Vs Italy, Norway Vs Spain, Finland Vs UK, and Sweden Vs France. You can substitute any of those European countries with one another Vs the Nordic countries and the difference will still remain.
It is not surprising you're unaware of these vast and important differences

You're so fucking full of shit!

Yes of course there are cultural differences between EU countries, but nothing that would affect the spread of coronavirus anymore from one country to another, or that one country would "listen" to their government more than another EU country.

This is complete BULLSHIT that you pulled out of your ass in a pathetic attempt to explain away why Sweden now has a much lower daily infection rate than many other EU countries.

Take it from someone who has actually lived in Europe for half his life

 

[lenny2]

I think you finally revealed your true motivation, you hate working and you'd rather stay home and live off the government dime.

All your posts make sense now

Except i don't "live off the government dime", pay taxes & you're wrong, as usual.

 

[lenny2]

But my point was eventually you have to open up the economy again, which means new infections will go up again.
All you're doing is delaying the inevitable

In New Zealand the lockdowns brought the infections to zero & they experienced over 100 days infection free after opening up & they also experienced a return to normal life, stadiums full of spectators, etc. So what you said is not "all" that lockdowns do.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

In New Zealand the lockdowns brought the infections to zero & they experienced over 100 days infection free after opening up & they also experienced a return to normal life, stadiums full of spectators, etc. So what you said is not "all" that lockdowns do

NEWSFLASH: they are a remote island with a very strict travel ban

You want to travel to New Zealand

Visa applications to visit, work, or study in New Zealand are now open. This information is for people who requested a border exception or who could not travel while the border was restricted.

www.immigration.govt.nz

The New Zealand border is currently closed to almost all travellers to help stop the spread of COVID-19. Only a small number of people can travel to New Zealand, such as New Zealand citizens and people with a critical purpose to travel. You may need to request to travel first

 

[lenny2]

NEWSFLASH: they are a remote island with a very strict travel ban

Perhaps the USA should take a hint. Also wear masks, quit having mass protests (& other super spreader events) & act responsibly.

Hawaii is an even more remote island, yet failing miserably vs C-19 compared to New Zealand.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Perhaps the USA should take a hint. Also wear masks, quit having mass protests (& other super spreader events) & act responsibly.

Hawaii is an even more remote island, yet failing miserably vs C-19 compared to New Zealand

Hawaii doesnt have a travel ban. All you have to is take a quick test before you fly in and you're good to go

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www.hawaiitourismauthority.org

 

[lenny2]

Hawaii doesnt have a travel ban. All you have to is take a quick test before you fly in and you're good to go

No one said they did. Though perhaps they should. In any case, as i said, they've failed relative to hard lockdown country New Zealand:

Perhaps the USA should take a hint. Also wear masks, quit having mass protests (& other super spreader events) & act responsibly.

Hawaii is an even more remote island, yet failing miserably vs C-19 compared to New Zealand

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No one said they did. Though perhaps they should. In any case, as i said, they've failed relative to hard lockdown country New Zealand:

Perhaps the USA should take a hint. Also wear masks, quit having mass protests (& other super spreader events) & act responsibly.

Hawaii is an even more remote island, yet failing miserably vs C-19 compared to New Zealand

Hawaii is also a much bigger tourist destination than NZ, plus they have a much higher population density

Google Search

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[lenny2]

Hawaii is also a much bigger tourist destination than NZ, plus they have a much higher population density

Google Search

Google Search

All the more reason for Hawaii to shut down.

Hawaii has a much smaller population than New Zealand. And way more C-19 deaths.