If you agree with the lockdown....
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We're different countries. What happened over on the other side of the planet is irrelevant.
Covid barely grazed Canada. All of our damage and destruction was caused by the government and leftism.
See all the responses at the following url, which include this:
"In this case I think it's an honest mistake. This has come from a misunderstanding of the CDC provisional counts of deaths table which shows 2.1 million. What folks don't realize is that the table begins with week 5 (Feb. 1) and doesn't include 240,000+ deaths in Jan."
No, that's not all your doing with a total lockdown, which implies they're useless & that is false. When people stay at home for weeks any virus in them or in their home is generally destroyed: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html
Moreover any virus in them is contained & not being spread to others who are isolated & not infected. OTOH if thousands gather at sporting events, on mass transit, bars, nightclubs, restaurants, concerts, etc, there is the chance for super spreading to occur.
"How ‘Superspreading’ Events Drive Most COVID-19 Spread":
How ‘Superspreading’ Events Drive Most COVID-19 Spread
As few as 10 percent of infected people may drive a whopping 80 percent of cases in specific types of situations
www.scientificamerican.com
What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:
1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.
Canadaman I mean Decoy, Canada handled it pretty good and is now doing what will need to be done because of selfish COVIDIDIOTS who continue to take it lightly. More restrictions are coming. Enjoy your winter lockdown.
I agree with you. I also don't think governments in Canada at any level would have the balls to jail people who disobey the lockdown. It would be hard to institute but it would be the best solution. I also agree with you about the restaurant/bar industry. The actual problem lies with human beings. Some of us are selfish, greedy and immature. That will not change in the near future.
I know CNN isn't reliable. It's a joke but the lockdown is in effect to stem an overflow into hospitals. It hasn't happened yet. If they don't lockdown they believe the cases will get so high that there will be an overflow like there was in some states and European countries. It's not a myth. Some of these places had to open field hospitals in order to deal with all the sick. We don't want that to happen here.
They should offer to liquify the food, just use a straw, mask can stay pretty much in place
LOL If I'm just having a glass of wine (or two) I sit in my own booth and read. I pull my mask up when the server comes to the table and when I go to the washroom. Or if someone walks past me, I pull my mask up.
1. You can't say "obviously clear" and "probably" in the same argument. That wouldn't even fly in a first year university essay.
2. HIV transmission has been down for a while. And how could you possibly know the stats for that at this point? How many people are running out to get tested for HIV right now?
3. Again, how could you possibly know the current abortion stats? Are you privy to information that the rest us aren't? You are simply guessing. Guessing and assuming and saying "probably" is a very weak argument.
And I won't get into the topic of abortion since that's off topic and inappropriate on this forum.
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COVID does not act differently in countries. It's the same virus that's in China, Italy, Spain, Iran, USA and Canada.
It's the preventive measures instituted by the governments and followed by their respective population that will determine how countries will fare in response to being able to control the spread of the Coronavirus to as low as possible.
In Canada we are far better off than most westernized nations in term of limiting a downturn in our economy as well at the same time being able to control the virus to the best of our abilities. Unfortunately our failure mostly falls on the small but significant amount of population who are disobeying these guidelines that do not have any common sense for the greater good of the community not to.
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I 110% agree with you, and that's the significant difference between societal norms I've posted about from the beginning which some people are unwilling to understand and accept.
Nordic countries and East Asian countries are significantly better at listening and adhering to what their government tells them to do whether it's out of trust or fear, combined with the cultural difference of just being normal behaviour and outlook towards the greater good of the community, it's significantly better to a higher degree than we do here in Canada.
Even with a hard lockdown if it is not strictly enforced than it will be the same issue, as a small percentage of the population acting out for their own selfish wants/gains rather than the greater good of the community will just continue the spread of the virus to others.
I believe more Canadians than Americans follow the guidelines.
Americans are getting infected at a much higher rate. Do you believe that it is a coincidence?
I believe that there is a direct correlation and if even more Canadians followed the guidelines our results would be even better. The virus is very contagious and we need to be vigilant. But each of us is only 1 person.
As long as I can keep seeing the ladies, Ford can lockdown any place where people gather in large numbers, gyms, theatres, restaurants, bars, casinos etc.
Barbers and dentists, services like that should remain open.
Schools need to remain open
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Sure, i can. It's simple logic. Here's an example:
A coin has 2 sides, side A & side B. It is "obviously clear" that if you flip the coin a trillion times it will "probably" land on side A at least once.
One would probably not even need a first year university course in logic, which i have successfully taken, to understand that.
Stats are not relevant to my point. I base my conclusion on other reasons. For example, due to lockdowns there were probably fewer people having high risk sex with HIV infected sex workers. For another example, due to international travel being shutdown, there were few international sex tourists travelling to places like Thailand, Cambodia or the PI to engage in high risk sex activities with HIV infected ladies, etc, etc, etc.
Again stats are not relevant to my point. People being shutdown & afraid to go out or receive patients due to concerns re C-19 suggests fewer abortions occurring. Especially in light of:
" Based on what we know at this time, pregnant people might be at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19 compared to non-pregnant people. Additionally, pregnant people with COVID-19 may be at increased risk for other adverse outcomes, such as preterm birth."
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
Wrong.
It PROVES that more extreme measures provide a better result. Not saying that we could get away with that here, but it proves the point that lockdowns work.
Well said. In fact, given that they knew it gets in through the eyes as well, you have to wonder why they crippled so manny businesses while the numbers were going up amidst mask wearing and distancing. They must be kicking themselves for not being more strict for just a few weeks in the beginning like other countries and then open up again. To anybody who posted useless polls or articles in the past about most Canadians feel okay with the way government handled blah blah blah, you still feel the same way?
Pretty good?
We couldn't have handle it any worse. Were still in lockdown after 9 months. What planet have you been living on?
And yes I will enjoy my lockdown. Im a realist. I dont agree with the lockdown but I will enjoy my vacation on the taxpayers money, thanks very much.
Wrong.
It doesn't prove anything. Too many different variables. Look up the scientific method, maybe you'll learn something.
Incorrect.
We had a shutdown of non essential businesses for roughly 3 months (Mid March-Mid to late June) until phase 2, we then started re-opening businesses step by step as that is whats needed to properly combat the spread of the Coronavirus and re-open in a safe manner.
We've been in phase 3 for a few months but unfortunately a small but a significant % who do not have common sense and do not follow the set guidelines have forced the government to roll back some of the openings. This in no way means we are still in lockdown as most businesses other than those in the restaurants/entertainment industry are still open, even those closures are in certain areas and not province wide.
These are the facts don't confuse your opinion with it.
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