You haven't lost anywhere near to everything while you're still alive and or healthy and living in a modern first world civilized nation with the highest quality of life in human history. Move to North Korea & see how you like it there. Or to Europe in the 14th century. Just to name a couple examples.
If you agree with the lockdown....
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Amazing the stupidity of partisan politics that casts science as a political issue.
Unless you have a valve masked or some amazing one-way biased fabric, the mask offers the exact same protection both ways.
The reason why we talk about masks protecting others is that the viral load will be at its highest concentration immediately as it exists the body. The further away you are, the fewer particles will reach your mouth to be filtered.
They are also significant because cloth masks are not super-efficient at stopping particles but having everyone wearing them compounds the effect (essentially putting more layers between you and them).
I'm sure everyone that went to club paradise put down their correct contact info.
Says something if you've had to be in three different hospitals recently.
p.s. people who actually can't wear a mask for medical reasons have the most reason to avoid the chance of transmission.
Other than the fact that young healthy people are also facing significant complications and lasting effects?
I'm not a cheerleader and wish it didn't have to happen. The main reason for the lockdown is to stem an overflow into hospitals. Then people who have heart attacks or are in car accidents can get care. This happened early During the first lockdown I had to wait for a procedure because the government wouldn't allow it. I have to have this done every 6 months. I almost died because I had to wait longer. So my life doesn't matter. Only those that have jobs. Only their lives matter? I would love for this not to control my life but it does. I've been told that if I get COVID I most likely won't survive it. Sorry for wanting to live. They also stopped cancer treatment during this time. Should we let them die to? Life is the most precious thing but to guys like you money is more important. That's very sad. In NY when the hospitals were full and people who didn't have COVID died because they couldn't get care. Do these people not matter? It does affect me because it affects my family. Both my kids have their own business and it's affected them but they are getting by. Where did I say anything about people being in the wrong industry during a Pandemic? That's not their fault. A majority of the people are doing what there supposed to be doing but not enough of them are. What do propose since you're so smart?
I don't think you have any concept of what it's like to operate a bar/restaurant. Margins are razor thin in the BEST of times.
I actually do operate a business that's been highly affected by the Coronavirus shutdowns, I also have a few close friends in the bar/restaurant/entertainment industry here in the GTA, and know a few restauranteurs personaly in our city who are major players in the industry, as well I have family in the US in the industry, the difference is I understand that not shutting down, letting the virus ravage through the population and not havng any preventive measures in place to fight the Coronavirus would have been and would be far worse than instituting shutdowns, and making sure people adhere to preventive measures and set guidelines.
Unlike people who are just out for their own selfish wants without a single care for others health and well being or the greater good of the community. #whataboutme
It absolutely is your responsibility to act in a responsible manner to protect others from you.
If you think this doesn't apply to you or the general public you are sadly mistaken.
Unfortunately you have been working very hard in attempting to downplay the effectiveness of all the preventive measures in place such as the effectiveness of shutdowns, the effectiveness of social distancing, the effectiveness of using masks and the effectiveness of contact tracing. This is because you lack empathy for others as well your lack of knowledge regarding the virus due to your own selfish wants.
Obviously I wasnt talking about a couple of strip joints.
Then if those young people wanna stay inside, let that be their choice.
And let those who do wanna risk it go on with their normal lives
The hospitals were never overwhelmed back in spring. I have two nieces that are nurses who confirmed this and a friend who works in the hospital who also confirmed it. Several of whom even admitted that hospitals are getting funding for everything labeled as covid even if it isn’t.
Government had months to prepare and create better resources, infrastructure, more beds etc and the only solution they have now is another lockdown? Lol. Oh yeah that’s right Ford did cut medical funding last year so who is paying for it now ? The everyday citizen.
And sorry but it seems the same rhetoric by the lockdown cheerleaders and what many of said even discouraging people to go out and support the businesses who were affected and just stay home. As if they haven’t suffered enough. And no it’s not fair to them. Government handouts are drying up and many of them would prefer not to be taxed to death next year.
All this does is benefit big box retailers and conglomerates; its a slap in the face to those who worked so hard during spring and invested thousand of dollars to new safety measures.
And I’m not saying money is more important but there has to be a balance where it isn’t just focused too deep in one direction of alienating those who are like me and doing their part to stop the spread but understand there needs to be a holistic approach that favours both public health and economic safety as they both go hand in hand.
By the way, the WHO officially came out and said that lockdowns are not necessary. We have mitigation strategies for a reason.
I’m also very much at risk and continued to live my life and I’m fine. I’ve even travelled. I wear my mask and distance where it needs to be done. I’ve done my due diligence enough to the point where I know I can live my life within reason. Reacting to panic accomplishes nothing but it does lower your state of health.
If they actually had a real lockdown then we wouldn’t have to be in the position we are where they are essentially playing a fruitless game of whack a mole that doesn’t even address the real issue that’s going to be with us for a long time. It’s a bandaid solution that creates more problems than it solves. So really need to be taking a look at this government overreach and misuse of economic resources that unfairly put the everyday citizen at a disadvantage.
Utternonsense, You couldn't be more wrong on the subject if you tried.
The reason hospitabls were never overwhelmed was because of thoughtfull preventive measures taken as well as bolstering the hospital capabilities. As for lack of resources, infrastructure, and more beds the following link and quote provides all the facts needed to refute your anecdotal evidence.
Instead of talking to random nurses and getting non factual opinions that could be missing important information here is the source.
"The province has added 1,035 acute care beds and 1,492 critical care beds and taken steps to ensure hospitals have the staff available to care for a sudden surge in patients.
"Thanks to the hard work and relentless preparation of our hospital staff to build capacity in our hospitals, we are in a position to better allocate resources to sectors that are in critical need and respond to any potential surge in cases," said Premier Doug Ford. "When you combine these life-saving beds with the very best care delivered by our highly skilled hospital staff, our patients will definitely have a fighting chance against this deadly virus."
Hospitals across the province have taken steps to make more beds available for COVID-19 patients in every region of the province. As a result, Ontario has a total of 20,354 acute care beds with a potential for an additional 4,205 more acute care beds by April 30, 2020. Of Ontario's 3,504 critical care beds, 2,811 are now equipped with ventilators, up from 1,319 when the outbreak first started."
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Again you couldn't be more wrong about what WHO (Dr David Nabarro) said on lockdowns here it is so you understand the important part of what
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"Requires a high level of organizations by governments and remarkable degree of engagement by the people, both of which in some countries have proven to be difficult."
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"And thirdly it works best if people are onside as they possibly can be, it does mean really levelling with people saying actually the only way we can do this is all of us pulling together, physical distancing, face protection, hygiene, isolating of the ill, not going off to work or the pub if we are feeling rotten and protecting those who are most at risk, if we can combine those various steps what we call "Doing it all" in our organization speak then we can get on top of it. That's what Asian countries have done"
"That's the approach should be adopted."
The only reason we are in the position we are today is because of those who have been downplaying the effectiveness of shutdowns, social distancing, mask use and contact tracing who are disobeying the guidelines.
You want to blame someone blame these people and stop trying to undermine the effectiveness of these preventive and health measures that need to be in place at certain times.
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I think, the main issue at hands is who has the property right. I.e., do people have the right to use public spaces (i.e., city streets) as they used before or do people must follow new regulations on using such spaces. The problem with bar/restaurants is not that the increase infection among people who visit them, but because these people interact with the rest of the population.
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Translation: IOW "let those who" are fine with risking others' lives, health and or murdering them with a virus "go on with their normal (selfish, self serving irresponsible) lives".
What's stopping you? Go ahead. Just be ready to pay the consequences & pay the piper. Karma's a bitch.
BTW, your favorite country, Sweden, awaits you with open arms & C-19.
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I agree with one thing you said. I was in favour of a month long complete shutdown instead of the half assed approach we have going on now. That doesn't take away from the fact that a partial shutdown was needed since cases started to increase. It's hard to wear a mask in a restaurant or bar when you are eating and drinking. Agree?
If washing hands, face masks, social distancing....etc work so well, there's no reason why a quarantined person who goes out for groceries once in a while should get infected. Better yet, just get your groceries delivered and you'll never get sick
So what happens after they lift the lockdown? The cases will just increase again. So you think locking down everytime is going to address the problem? It doesn’t. All it will do is bankrupt many citizens and many will face mental health issues that will persist for years to come, and that would be just the tip of the iceberg. They literally had months to prepare and come up with a better solution.
Clearly the issue is lack of medical resources and if we had a better infrastructure we could handle this more efficiently than just going gung ho and shutting down everything. They could allocate the funding to more hospital beds, better technologies, better testing, maybe they could also be more strict with making sure those coming in are actually doing their quarantine. Because flights are coming in on the daily and many from hotspots with little to no monitoring.
Perhaps the government can actually do what they’re telling the rest of us as they are driving cases up themselves(I.e Ford attending an oversized wedding with no masks on)
There is literally a plethora of strategies to mitigate the risks and deal with these so called surges more efficiently than a lockdown. Cause clearly that didn’t work the first time around.
And again, I will mention that WHO just came out and said lockdowns are useless.
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