Ok now I'm confused.
http://ottawa.backpage.com/FemaleEs...-july-18-morning-petersborough-18-20/41190510
open minded and sexy with a very tight, multi orgasmic vagina that squirts!
I think I just met with a man...
- Thread starter Frinto
- Start date
http://ottawa.backpage.com/FemaleEs...-july-18-morning-petersborough-18-20/41190510
open minded and sexy with a very tight, multi orgasmic vagina that squirts!
It does not matter. The simple issue is that if a post-op lady is offering services she SHOULD be open that she is post-op so that clients can choose. This is not a question of judging the lady and her choices in life. Does anyone really believe that to do otherwise is fair? I have seen a pre-op Tgirl but choose not to see a post-op Tgirl. I prefer to see an escort that was born female. I want the opportunity to make that choice for myself.
a little something i found that might enlighten some...
You could define DNA as male if it contains an XY karyotype and female DNA by an XX karyotype (in which case, almost all (but not all) trans women would have "male" DNA), but this would also include a lot of intersex women who were female assigned at birth and have always held ID that said, "female" as having "male" DNA. I would say that people with XY chromosomes had, "a traditionally male karyotype" rather than "male DNA".
You could define DNA "male" if it has a functioning SRY gene and codes for effective androgen receptors, female if is lacks a functioning SRY gene and codes for effective estrogen/progesterone receptors, and intersex in all other cases.
Most interestingly, your DNA has different parts of it which are active and being used to code for proteins, and other parts that are dormant. What is active, and what is dormant changes over time, and depends on the kind of cell, what the cell is doing, whether you have a cold or not, whether you're moving or resting, and a million other such things. However, one very important factor is hormone levels. Estrogen and testosterone "turn on" different parts of your DNA, and put different parts into cold storage. You can think of your DNA as being like a computer that has a lot of programs/apps on the hard drive, but is only running certain programs. HRT closes some programs, and opens others, and so changes what the computer is running.
This is perhaps the most relevant and best answer to the question...that what makes DNA male or female is a function of your hormone profile.
Of course, there is yet one more answer:
If I am a trans woman, I am a woman, and therefore female, and therefore I have female DNA, no matter what it looks like. But only someone who really accepts trans people will find that persuasive, and it's totally unrelated to your conundrum.
I feel like such an asshole saying this but just because you feel a certain way and you really want something to be true doesn't mean it is. This might open a another can of worms but I feel the same way about reigious people. Just because you believe it, does not mean I do and it does not mean that is reality.
At the end of the day if a DNA test was done on a post-op female by a scientist, who never saw the person and only sees the sample to test, the identity would be the one they had at birth not the one they identify with.
I will accept the fact that they would not want to be refereed to as a male anymore and would have no issues at all with them. I just don't get why its so wrong for me to choose not to be sexually involved? And to be able to make a choice about it.
As much as I have commented I do see the reason. I mentioned it earlier in this thread. I see their reason as to them they were born a woman and have always been one and now they look like one. They don't feel there is a need. Just like when you book with a born female escort, she wouldn't tell you oh by the way I'm female.
i don't feel any way about it...i was just digging up information....i completely agree with you that you have the right to make a choice and be informed on who you are dealing with....and i'd want to the same consideration even though i pride myself on having very little prejudice towards anyone....i'm an all female guy, doesn't mean i disrespect the transgender or others....the same applies with you i'm sure...
Now I'm being serious here cause I do feel the same way as you but is that an illusion of being tolerant? Just because it is not being 100% accepting.
You really do want to keep this going don't you? Now you are debating illusions. Give it up already.
sappy_one (and others), you need to do more "gender identity" research. It's not about chromosomes and DNA tests. Your insistence that it is about that shows prejudice (you are "pre judging").
By listening to podcasts dealing with religious issues (and therefore homophobia, the new bathroom bill stuff in the States, etc., etc. -- FYI, I recommend "Dogma Debate") I have heard more perspectives and, lo and behold, learned more about the topic. It really ain't about "TAB B and SLOT A" simplicity even though some here seem to want to make it that simple.
HOWEVER, I love DATY so I want as natural a kitty as possible. If it were mainly about the intercourse for me I might be inclined to participate with a post-op trans-woman and enjoy it. When it's about receiving oral? Make it wet with pressure, and other sensations and I don't think most guys care (ex: Glory holes exist, are cheap, and can be a one-stop shop!!)
By listening to podcasts dealing with religious issues (and therefore homophobia, the new bathroom bill stuff in the States, etc., etc. -- FYI, I recommend "Dogma Debate") I have heard more perspectives and, lo and behold, learned more about the topic. It really ain't about "TAB B and SLOT A" simplicity even though some here seem to want to make it that simple.
HOWEVER, I love DATY so I want as natural a kitty as possible. If it were mainly about the intercourse for me I might be inclined to participate with a post-op trans-woman and enjoy it. When it's about receiving oral? Make it wet with pressure, and other sensations and I don't think most guys care (ex: Glory holes exist, are cheap, and can be a one-stop shop!!)
What is it about than? I am not saying that I am being politically correct but if someone were born a male and then transformed to female, I think I should have a right to know before we start being intimate. The DNA comment was just my way of saying no matter how much they want to believe the transformation took place at the end of the day you are always what you were born into.
I know people are going to say I am being rude and prejudice but go back to the example if a scientist was asked to identify the gender based only on a DNA test and not seeing the person what would the results be?
i think it has more to do than just chromosome and DNA testing....just my 2 cents....
Tia was quite a popular VIP Shemale Escort. Very feminine. I believe she once posted here or more so on the red? board.
I know it has more to do than that as well but I am trying to say why I think they should let you know before being intimate with them. Anyway I am sure everyone is long long sick of me going on so I will not be replying anymore.
I said what I had to say and even if I didn't explain myself properly.
O
OnTheWayOut
I agree with sappy in that if I agree to see a female SP I feel it is incumbent on them to disclose if they were once a man. I think if a person is posting as a female escort it is implied she is and was a female. If they feel that strongly about the need to change gender than it should not be an issue for them to truthfully advertise that fact. Not asking them to lie or say anything that isn't true. By omitting that fact I would feel they are lying. When entering into a financial transaction anything less than complete honesty regarding such an intimate act is unsatisfactory.
in an obliquely related vien .. I would want to know about hobbiests who frequent tgirls.
This to my mind multiplies the risk way past my comfort level.
There's a guy on the Rosie board who self identifies. I wouldn't see anyone that he has seen. jmo
This to my mind multiplies the risk way past my comfort level.
There's a guy on the Rosie board who self identifies. I wouldn't see anyone that he has seen. jmo
