How much do sps really make?

[tboy]

I think it is actually based on the question why a SP would be agency based versus indy. The general perception is that all is the same except for income.

Well, this question has been tossed around before. For eg: someone who can manage themselves well, do the phone work, keep appointments and has a reliable driver, well they can do well as an indy but there is a lot of benefits for being an agency lady too.

 

[Hank Reardon]

What is your fascination with....

Why is this question made so much? That is what I would like to know. What is the fascination of how much we make?

.....commenting on threads that do not interest you ?

 

[Hank Reardon]

I will answer your question...

Why is this question made so much? That is what I would like to know. What is the fascination of how much we make?

...and I will continue to be a smart ass to boot.

It is not a fascination ( and I never asked the question , cause I could'nt care less how much they make ) .A few men have asked this question here about escorts , massage girls and strippers. I would say X amount over so many threads would not mean ''fascination''.It would mean , the odd idiot here and there.

You seem to insinuate that ''all of us '' care when really numbers indicate that not to be true.

Its your word ''fascination '' that makes no sense.

 

[tboy]

While I can't answer specifically for the one who wrote "I hate getting ripped off..." I can answer for myself:

I work hard for my money. I put myself at physical risk, expose myself to potentially harmful substances, require a tremendous amount of experience and skill to do what I do and have to have thousands of dollars worth of tools and equipment. I make about 1/10th per hour what an sp makes. So when I DO book a lady, I want to be pretty damn sure that she is going to be worth about 10 hrs of my hard labour and do consider myself "ripped off" if she's having an off night/sick/distracted/moody.

I am in no way suggesting that the ladies don't deserve what they make, but as customers, myself included, at $240.00 + per hour, I had better get my money's worth.

 

[squash500]

I am in no way suggesting that the ladies don't deserve what they make, but as customers, myself included, at $240.00 + per hour, I had better get my money's worth.

I agree 100% with tboy---that is why I made the statement I did upthread. IMHO, sps have a high risk high reward job----similar to investing in potentially lucrative stocks that could make 80% or lose 80%. As clients we have risks as well---ie b and s , poor performance by sps etc. It helps me as a client to know how much money the sp gets and how much money the agency gets. Simply put, if the agency is too greedy than the performance of the sp will suffer.

 

[Lacy]

The question really is not how much they make but whether they can hang on to it. Those who have been around have seen some who can't and some who manage their money extremely well -- pay for education, buy a condo, buy a car and quit. I have only known two or three like that.

Far too many think it will never end for them and spend it as they make it. . . .

So true. I was thinking the exact same thing. I never was an escort but was a dancer and watched almost ALL of the girls blow their money time and time again. If they dont have a drug, alcohol or personal problems to waste money on then they want to have all the purses, cars, trips and other gadgets. Living for the moment rather than thinking about the future.
I am so sick of girls coming on here complaining how they need to make money or that they have student loans to pay off. There is absolutely no need to have a student loan when in the adult industry.
So who the hell cares what these girls make. Noone will ever know and there are only a handful that have anything substantial to show for themselves.

 

[Hank Reardon]

Aww shucks ! Thx !

 

[tboy]

to answer your question K, and I deal with this all the time in my biz too, you only get what you pay for.

For eg: If I had an average looking, average service SP, for $140.00, I'd say: ok, well, I didn't pay a whole lot so I can't expect much. But if I pay the going rate of $220 - $240, then I expect to receive pretty good service from a pretty good looking sp. Same as if I pay $260 - $300, which is a better than average price, then I expect better than average service. Same as if I were to pay $350 and up, she better be god's gift to my libido and leave me brusied broken and drained when she leaves.

I hate doing this but it is a method that everyone can understand: Compare any product or service to the auto industry. One can't expect the same quality in a car selling for $15K as one selling for $100K and to count on or demand that quality in the cheaper version, is ludicrous in my books.

Or a comparison that might be more palatable to the ladies: compare diamonds. One can't expect a $1000.00 1 carat diamond to be of the same quality as a similar weight diamond costing $15 or $20,000.00. Now if one pays $15K for a 1 carat diamond, it better be flawless or I'd feel ripped off.

I guess another thing that gets us guys (me) is when the lady in the photograph isn't even close to the lady that shows up. There is a lot one can do in photographs to hide flaws with lighting, poses, placement of a sheet etc. I guess this is also why I have a beef with the stats posted. Now I know many agency owners say "what do you want us to do, measure and weigh them"? I say "yes, of course. If they're advertising themselves at 32 24 32 then as a responsible business owner, you should confirm that. To me, that is like me advertising a bird'seye maple armoire for $12K and then building it out of B grade maple veneer.

I guess it boils down to if one pays a less than average rate, then they can expect a less than average service. If one pays an average rate, and receives less than average service, one feels ripped off. (and for the record, the average service in Toronto these days is way above average IMO)

 

[Hank Reardon]

Well my suggestion is ...

to answer your question K, and I deal with this all the time in my biz too, you only get what you pay for.

For eg: If I had an average looking, average service SP, for $140.00, I'd say: ok, well, I didn't pay a whole lot so I can't expect much. But if I pay the going rate of $220 - $240, then I expect to receive pretty good service from a pretty good looking sp. Same as if I pay $260 - $300, which is a better than average price, then I expect better than average service. Same as if I were to pay $350 and up, she better be god's gift to my libido and leave me brusied broken and drained when she leaves.

I hate doing this but it is a method that everyone can understand: Compare any product or service to the auto industry. One can't expect the same quality in a car selling for $15K as one selling for $100K and to count on or demand that quality in the cheaper version, is ludicrous in my books.

Or a comparison that might be more palatable to the ladies: compare diamonds. One can't expect a $1000.00 1 carat diamond to be of the same quality as a similar weight diamond costing $15 or $20,000.00. Now if one pays $15K for a 1 carat diamond, it better be flawless or I'd feel ripped off.

I guess another thing that gets us guys (me) is when the lady in the photograph isn't even close to the lady that shows up. There is a lot one can do in photographs to hide flaws with lighting, poses, placement of a sheet etc. I guess this is also why I have a beef with the stats posted. Now I know many agency owners say "what do you want us to do, measure and weigh them"? I say "yes, of course. If they're advertising themselves at 32 24 32 then as a responsible business owner, you should confirm that. To me, that is like me advertising a bird'seye maple armoire for $12K and then building it out of B grade maple veneer.

I guess it boils down to if one pays a less than average rate, then they can expect a less than average service. If one pays an average rate, and receives less than average service, one feels ripped off. (and for the record, the average service in Toronto these days is way above average IMO)

Work a little harder, post a little less , and then $300 won't be that big of a deal !
LOL

 

[Diode]

Tboy, you know I am all about SP's being professional.

I was thinking more along the lines of it doesn't matter what she charges, $50-$5000 as long as she provides the proper service. How is what she charges make her a ripp off or not if she is providing the professional service.

Would you feel less ripped off if you saw a girl at the lower end of the pricing scale, then you would a lady at the 200-300 range? If so, why?

KWI, you are smarter than all this.
First, its obvious that Ladies are "selling time", and have to cover the "lean" pieroids, when they have no bookings.
So someone, who is guarenteed 40 hours a week, at $x/ hour is in a similar position to a Girl who charges $10x per hour, but may only get 4 bookings a week.

The real reason men want to know, is quite frankly the idea of getting PAID for sex, is so far out of our experience, that its hard to fathom.
Sine we were teenagers, we paid. Movies, dinner, dances, taxis, bar bills :all to get laid.
Girls have had most of the sexual power. Now, having to pay for the deed is just adding insult to injury.

 

[tboy]

I agree - I've heard of an SP who worked for 3 years and saved $400k and quit the biz - on the other hand I know 2 SP's who are both popular and have been in the biz over 6/7 years and probably earned over $500k tax free in that time and have $25k and a few expensive handbags to their names.

For the record I've known a few sp's who have no plans to ever leave the biz and enjoy it immensely so to ever look down on a person who enjoys what they do, and enjoys the fruits of their labour (ie: handbags, manolo shoes or whatever) is wrong in my eyes. If that works for them, then who are we to judge?

IMO this is no different than a lawyer who works long hours yet has a SLR in his driveway. SHould he save for an early retirement? Who are we to say???

 

[tboy]

KWI, you are smarter than all this.
First, its obvious that Ladies are "selling time", and have to cover the "lean" pieroids, when they have no bookings.
So someone, who is guarenteed 40 hours a week, at $x/ hour is in a similar position to a Girl who charges $10x per hour, but may only get 4 bookings a week.

The real reason men want to know, is quite frankly the idea of getting PAID for sex, is so far out of our experience, that its hard to fathom.
Sine we were teenagers, we paid. Movies, dinner, dances, taxis, bar bills :all to get laid.
Girls have had most of the sexual power. Now, having to pay for the deed is just adding insult to injury.

Maybe to you dude, but I see not one thing wrong with compensating a woman for rocking my world sexually. As you said so yourself: you've been paying for it all along, this way it is just more upfront lol.

As for getting paid for sex being outside of OUR experience, maybe YOUR experience but please, don't talk for me ok?

 

[tboy]

You know what he means.....

The general idea of sex for money is a big taboo, and there are many reason that men justify it to themselves, but the main point is, it is still be justified because it is still such a taboo.

Hmm maybe it's taboo to you (hey, I'm a poet!!) but not to me....I have no hangups about the biz and as alluded to in other threads, if the topic came up I'd have no problem talking about it.....

Just thinking: I'd have more of a problem telling my family and friends that I was a politician than telling them I either pay for, or take money for, sex......More on that note, I would NO way in HELL ever tell ANYONE that I was a metermaid. Hell, I'd rather tell them I was gay then tell them that! (but then again, I would rather starve and live in a cardboard box than be a meter maid so...)

 

[Noir]

I'm not speaking for all ladies here...

Well, I think that it is truly difficult for ladies in this industry to save money. If there is a constant cash flow, when you make cash money, it is really easy to just spend it and not think of tomorrow. If goals are not set by an SP, then it is really easy to lose sight of where that money is going - especially if the money is being left in a box under a mattress. If there are no secure forms of savings through a bank, then the moniker "easy-come-easy-go" applies. Many ladies start to pay big bucks for expensive condos (not purchasing), and start to live lavish lifestyles while they work in this industry, while not showing any self-control. Sure, your living expenses can go up; but I truly don't remember when a Gucci clutch was a necessity in Maslow's Hierarchy of needs.

There are few girls that save every red cent that they make, and few realize that they should try to save at LEAST 15% of what they make. (heck that's better than nothing!)

Personally, I would much rather have a diverse savings portfolio, school paid off than a car (but that's because I don't drive.). Material possessions aren't everything.

In regards to "getting ripped off", I think that the gentleman may have meant that since he is paying for her time and companionship (even if the time spent together was stellar), his money would lose it's "value" in the hands of somebody else other than the lady who "earned" it. That is how I am viewing it, but perhaps I am wrong.

 

[Hank Reardon]

How nice ....

Well, I think that it is truly difficult for ladies in this industry to save money. If there is a constant cash flow, when you make cash money, it is really easy to just spend it and not think of tomorrow. If goals are not set by an SP, then it is really easy to lose sight of where that money is going - especially if the money is being left in a box under a mattress. If there are no secure forms of savings through a bank, then the moniker "easy-come-easy-go" applies. Many ladies start to pay big bucks for expensive condos (not purchasing), and start to live lavish lifestyles while they work in this industry, while not showing any self-control. Sure, your living expenses can go up; but I truly don't remember when a Gucci clutch was a necessity in Maslow's Hierarchy of needs.

There are few girls that save every red cent that they make, and few realize that they should try to save at LEAST 15% of what they make. (heck that's better than nothing!)

Personally, I would much rather have a diverse savings portfolio, school paid off than a car (but that's because I don't drive.). Material possessions aren't everything.

In regards to "getting ripped off", I think that the gentleman may have meant that since he is paying for a service, and even if it is rendered and is stellar, his money is losing it's "value" in the hands of somebody else other than the lady who "earned" it.

.....to read someone with such intelligence here !


And so rare indeed !

 

[Diode]

I get that, all of that!

That is why I don't get the reason men want to know these things. If just pay for it adds insult to injury, why rub salt on the wound by finding out just how much we make????

Yeah...But...If you enjoy it, why not give it away?

If you hate it....Well the money might be some compensation.

 

[21pro]

Would be sincerely interested in your basis for $400k+?

If it weren't so readily available for all-you-can-eat for under $300, i really do think that the price could easily be closer to $1k...

but, as for $400k, my reasoning is that i'd pay more for up to date STD tests (mine, too) and exclusivity of some sort... not sure what.

 

[Diode]

Because I enjoy IT and MONEY and this way I get both.

Right..That's the point.
You have a good job, with the best of both worlds.
Probably very difficult for some guys to get their heads around, if they
1) Love sex
2)Hate their job.

I'm lucky too. I enjoy my work (most days) and get paid well.
I have a lot of responsiblity, but I'm happy with it.

However I was taken to task by some guys in the SC section, for taking my lunch, and a few dances at the trinity.
Because, some people can't relate their experience to others.
They are curious about
1)What you do
2) and How well it pays..
It's just human nature.

 

[tboy]

....
In regards to "getting ripped off", I think that the gentleman may have meant that since he is paying for her time and companionship (even if the time spent together was stellar), his money would lose it's "value" in the hands of somebody else other than the lady who "earned" it. That is how I am viewing it, but perhaps I am wrong.

Well, if I read your double negative correctly (lose it's value in the hands of someone other than the lady) that means the money the lady earned held it's value which would not be considered a rip off.

At least for me, as I've explained, getting ripped means I spend a large hourly rate of money for a less than stellar experience.

Again, I will repeat, the women earn their money and I couldn't do what they do, but no matter how you slice it, $240.00 per hour is a good chunk of change. (I know I know, many don't take home that but then again, I don't take home what I charge either).

 

[Noir]

Well, if I read your double negative correctly (lose it's value in the hands of someone other than the lady) that means the money the lady earned held it's value which would not be considered a rip off.

At least for me, as I've explained, getting ripped means I spend a large hourly rate of money for a less than stellar experience.

Again, I will repeat, the women earn their money and I couldn't do what they do, but no matter how you slice it, $240.00 per hour is a good chunk of change. (I know I know, many don't take home that but then again, I don't take home what I charge either).

I know that the sentence structure is a little awkward -- I edited it and changed it...it didn't turn out the way that I wanted it to. I meant that the money that Mr.A paid has lost it's worth, by being given to another person who did not participate in the session. The less that the lady gets paid, the less that Mr.A feels that he got his money's worth, because he's not giving the lady what he feels that she deserves. (Yeah, it's a shady interpretation...Which is why I said that it may be wrong.)

I don't think that you were the OP of the "ripped off" comment so, I wasn't explaining what you said. I was just giving a diff. interpretation of what he may have thought.

I agree that 240 is a big chunk of change. That's why it should be put in a savings jar instead of a vein, or a sweat-shop. ^_^